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BA Midwest League Top 20

1. Mike Trout, of, Cedar Rapids Kernels (Angels)
2. Shelby Miller, rhp, Quad Cities River Bandits (Cardinals)
3. Wil Myers, c, Burlington Bees (Royals)
4. Jacob Turner, rhp, West Michigan Whitecaps (Tigers)
5. Aaron Hicks, of, Beloit Snappers (Twins)
6. Nick Franklin, ss/2b, Clinton LumberKings (Mariners)
7. Trey McNutt, rhp, Peoria Chiefs (Cubs)
8. Jake Odorizzi, rhp, Wisconsin Timber Rattlers (Brewers)
9. Matt Davidson, 3b, South Bend Silver Hawks (Diamondbacks)
10. Tyler Skaggs, lhp, Cedar Rapids (Angels)/South Bend (Diamondbacks)
11. Allen Webster, rhp, Great Lakes Loons (Dodgers)
12. Jean Segura, 2b, Cedar Rapids Kernels (Angels)
13. Hak-Ju Lee, ss, Peoria Chiefs (Cubs)
14. Fabio Martinez, rhp, Cedar Rapids Kernels (Angels)
15. Rubby de la Rosa, rhp, Great Lakes Loons (Dodgers)
16. Alex Colome, rhp, Bowling Green Hot Rods (Rays)
17. Chris Owings, ss, South Bend Silver Hawks (Diamondbacks)
18. Jerry Sands, 1b/of, Great Lakes Loons (Dodgers)
19. Matt Lollis, rhp, Fort Wayne TinCaps (Padres)
20. Chad Jenkins, rhp, Lansing Lugnuts (Blue Jays)

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2010/2610732.html

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3 random notes

-I like Wil Myers where he is here.
-I love Trey McNutt where he is here.
-Matt Davidson, popular guy. Bobby Borchering, not so much.

by mrkupe on Oct 1, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

1 random guess

There will be complaints about Aaron Hicks placement

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Myers

Really? I’d rather have Myers than Miller any day of the week. Myers really should be #2. Did he slip to 3 because of the promotion?

I’m also surprised noone has complained about Borchering missing. I was actually kinda surprised by that.

by guru4u on Oct 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But it def could have been do to Myers leaving the league as you said. I really like Shelby and Turner, but with what we know today, I’ll take the Bat over the HS arm. Too much injury probability.

by JD Sussman on Oct 1, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Callis said in the chat

you could make a case to flip them and that if Myers was a more sure thing to stick behind the plate he would have been #2.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Myers was actually better after the promotion, and pretty cold to start the season. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s above Miller in the top 100 considering his whole campaign rather than just the MWL. Also probably a candidate to be #1 in the Carolina League, right?

by FI2 on Oct 1, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe they said Teheran was #1 in the Carolina League

as comment on him in the SAL list. I’d say Myers and Lamb have to be up near the top along with Delgado probably.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But Myers was really only evaluated by his play in the MWL for this particular list. The promotion, in essence, “hurt” him because he spent less time there.

by guru4u on Oct 4, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wouldn't have slipped due to promotion

He was killing the ball before he was promoted.

I think I might prefer Miller. Injuries happen, but unless they’ve already happened, not dinging a guy for that. Myers has a very good bat, but I’d like to know more about where he’s going to play. “could be a plus RF if he moves” doesn’t cut it for me – call me when he’s shagging flies.

by mrkupe on Oct 1, 2010 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Myers has a pretty thick lower half for someone his age. I doubt he’ll stick at catcher. I watched him very closely for a few hours at minor league spring training. I’d give him a 10% chance of ending up anywhere besides first base.

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by Adam Foster on Oct 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh oh, a lot of people here aren’t going to like that assessment. I’m not sure there is a community around (except maybe a community dedicated to the Royals) that is more pro-Myers than this. A lot of people here seem to think he will not only stick at C but be at least average and has a good shot to be a very good RF if he can’t stick.

by jfish26101 on Oct 2, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a little strong for me

Raw tools are still there to try him lots of other places first. First base seems entirely possible, but he’s not going to be there for this organization, not any time in the near future anyways.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but game situations are a different animal. And since you’ve seen him, he’s played over 120 games. Again, not saying that your opinion doesn’t have merit . . .just that a lot has changed, making me rather dubious about such a sweeping pronouncement.

by mrkupe on Oct 2, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

As always you are a voice of reason and common sense Kupe.

by King Billy Royal on Oct 2, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?
Myers has a pretty thick lower half for someone his age. I doubt he’ll stick at catcher. I watched him very closely for a few hours at minor league spring training. I’d give him a 10% chance of ending up anywhere besides first base.

I saw him play middle of June and didn’t think he was thick in his legs/lower half at all. He seemed fairly skinny to me. He seemed to be nursing a sore leg but I think he’ll end up in the OF. I don’t see him moving to first base anytime soon.

by 306008 on Oct 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That being said

He’ll never be a catcher. They have much better catchers and he looked awful behind the plate. Salvador Perez is the future for KC behind the plate.

by 306008 on Oct 3, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This couldn't be more incorrect

Myers is extremely athletic and could be a plus defender in OF if he is moved off catcher. I’m thinking you were looking at the wrong player.

by deezle on Oct 4, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a question

Have you actually seen him live? I’m not saying Adam is right, but he’s seen the guy play and this is what he thinks. If you’ve seen him and you think differently fine, but if you’re basing it on second hand reports, then maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to put down Adam for his first hand one. He’s a smart guy, I seriously doubt he was watching the wrong player.

by nixa37 on Oct 4, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has not seen him play

He watched him for a few hours as he performed fielding drills. There is a huge difference between fielding drills and in game situations.

by King Billy Royal on Oct 4, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I have

saying he has a “thick” lower half could not be further from the truth, and honestly makes me think he was looking at the wrong player. He is actually pretty skinny.

by deezle on Oct 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Photos

Here are some photos of Myers that I took at Spring Training. He turned 19 a little less than four months before these photos were taken.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs179.ash2/44220_980443980273_3212197_51946926_4474234_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs067.snc4/34702_980443930373_3212197_51946923_7858223_n.jpg

I think he could end up being around 220-230 pounds when he fills out.

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by Adam Foster on Oct 4, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

first one looks weird

just bad angles i think….2nd one he looks perfectly fine to me.

 ugh, this is tim beckham all over again.

by daveh33 on Oct 5, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we have very different ideas

of what “thick lower half” means. The 2nd picture, which is the best picture to judge on IMO, does not make him look thick at all to me. I don’t see what you’re seeing.

by deezle on Oct 5, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll try to remember to post more photos

I saw thick quads and relatively heavy legs for a teenager. He wasn’t agile or nimble. Given his age and frame, I think he’ll grow more and likely slow down more.

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by Adam Foster on Oct 5, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’m not sure where the ‘thick lower half’ is.

by King Billy Royal on Oct 5, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calves are definitely thick

Tough to tell on the thighs because of whatever is in his back pocket (plus the angle hides the front of the left thigh). He’s not real thick in general, but I see what Adam is getting at for someone who is still a teenager. His lower half isn’t a whole lot smaller than McCann’s is currently.

by nixa37 on Oct 7, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had the same thought.

I really like Miller though and I knew BA would love him. I’m taking Myers by about 10-15 spots though.

by alskor on Oct 1, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me ...

Myers 12-16 overall

Miller 18 overall

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Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 2, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given the way Borchering finished the year

I’m surprised as well. I really don’t think he and Davidson are all that different of prospects. And since Borchering appears more likely to stay at 3B and definitely still features plenty of raw power, it doesn’t seem right that there are at least eleven guys between the two.

Also, IMO, Skaggs is a better prospect than MD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMMxIAn_76g - NSFW - "Now my blood feels like it's a bubble bath and you guys look like you're made out of cotton candy and this guy's a hippo!"

by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2010 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be shocked if either stuck

And I thought Davidson was considered the “better” of the two defensively now?

http://bullpenbanter.com/

by Jeff Reese on Oct 4, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

From everything I have read/heard, Davidson seems like the better defender at 3B. Both probably have <50% chance of sticking though.

by guru4u on Oct 4, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

on Davidson>Borchering at 3B as well as neither profiles very well there. Have yet to read or hear an opinion saying Borch sticks at 3B. Not sure where this is coming from. Sources?

by blackoutyears on Oct 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The impression I have

Is that Davidson will physically fill out more in the coming years, and thus lose more lateral mobility than Borchering, who already looks vaguely similar to a college linebacker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMMxIAn_76g - NSFW - "Now my blood feels like it's a bubble bath and you guys look like you're made out of cotton candy and this guy's a hippo!"

by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 12, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

loaded

After some fairly sparse short season list, this one is absolutely loaded. Is there another league that will have more top 25 prospects than this?

by Dalman on Oct 1, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Some of it's a numbers game

Remember, there are 16 teams in the MWL. The only other league that large is the PCL, but there certainly aren’t many top 25 guys with eligibility in AAA at the end of the year. By comparison, there are only 8 teams each in the Texas or Carolina leagues.

by realitypolice on Oct 1, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

When the following list misses the top 20, you know you’re loaded

Ian Krol
Bobby B
Randal Grichuk
Scooter Gennett
Jonathan Galvez
Jason Knapp (don’t think he had enough inning)

Usually I agree but Arcia could probably hit a bounced pitch out of the park right now. -KBR

by Archie A on Oct 1, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Max Stassi

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by Jeff Reese on Oct 1, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I’m sure theres a couple more I missed

Usually I agree but Arcia could probably hit a bounced pitch out of the park right now. -KBR

by Archie A on Oct 1, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rashun Dixon and James Jones

Are the guys I like the best of those that didn’t make the cut.

by gogotabata on Oct 1, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

James Jones 2012 Anthem will be:

Back then they didn’t want me, now I’m hot they all on me.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 1, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

DRINK MY KOOL AID! DRINK IT! DRINK IT!

by gogotabata on Oct 1, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hicks

Actually fairly surprised to see him as high as he is.

by BryceHarper on Oct 1, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

without giving subscription content

other than it was a fairly disappointing year, what did they say?

by BryceHarper on Oct 1, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Short excerpt
Hicks ranked No. 1 on this list a year ago, and while he put up better numbers in his second tour of the MWL, he didn’t dominate and left observers wanting more. “I wish he was hitting .300 with 20 homers,” the AL scout said, “but he’s so talented and does so many good things that it’s worth the wait.”

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

ouch

It’s a good thing that all prospects don’t have to live up to those kinds of wishes and expectations at age 20!

by mrkupe on Oct 1, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding

I wonder how he’d do if he scrapped the switch hitting and stayed solely on the right side?

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

within 12-18 months i could see him batting soley from the right side

but not before than at all…

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Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 1, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

The only real knock against Hicks is that he repeated the league. A .382 wOBA in the MWL for a 20 y/o center fielder is very, very good.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's worth the wait

obviously there’s still a lot of hope that this is coming. Was he assigned to the AFL?

by BryceHarper on Oct 1, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goodness, I hope not

He’d get obliterated @ the AFL…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMMxIAn_76g - NSFW - "Now my blood feels like it's a bubble bath and you guys look like you're made out of cotton candy and this guy's a hippo!"

by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's less surprising when you check his splits...

before the site was taken down, you’d noticed he maintained around a 900 OPS except for the month where he was recovering from a wrist injury, which drug down his overall numbers. Certainly, his HR totals are low, but his XBH rate is good showing his power potential, his walk rate is great, and his scouting profile remains as one of the best in the minors.

So I was a little surprised he was above Franklin, but I’m not surprised that he’d be in that range.

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by beastball on Oct 1, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

List from 5 years ago

1. *Carlos Gonzalez, of, South Bend
2. *Homer Bailey, rhp, Dayton
3. *Eric Hurley, rhp, Clinton
4. Javier Herrera, of, Kane County
5. *Cliff Pennington, ss, Kane County
6. *Travis Buck, of, Kane County
7. Ryan Harvey, of, Peoria
8. *Anthony Swarzak, rhp, Beloit
9. *Rafael Rodriguez, rhp, Cedar Rapids
10. *Matt Garza, rhp, Beloit
11. Jay Rainville, rhp, Beloit
12. *Trevor Plouffe, ss, Beloit
13. Luis Cota, rhp, Burlington
14. David Winfree, 3b, Beloit
15. *Sean Gallagher, rhp, Peoria
16. *Eric Patterson, 2b, Peoria
17. *Reid Brignac, ss, Southwest Michigan
18. *Matt Tuiasosopo, ss, Wisconsin
19. *Asdrubal Cabrera, inf, Wisconsin
20. *Wilkin Ramirez, 3b, West Michigan
*Has played in major leagues

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Wow, look at all of that Minnesota talent!

Those guys must be stacked now . . .and a rotation with Garza/Swarzak/Rainville? Downright unfair.

by mrkupe on Oct 1, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Definitely

And while it’s easy to make fun of the lack of impact players, 15 of 20 have played in the majors, which is saying something for a Low-A prospect list. I usually concentrate on the top handful of guys and ignore the rankings on the rest with League Top 20s and this is no different.

by blackoutyears on Oct 4, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rafael Rodriguez

One slot ahead of Matt Garza.

It’s the little things in life that are so so amusing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMMxIAn_76g - NSFW - "Now my blood feels like it's a bubble bath and you guys look like you're made out of cotton candy and this guy's a hippo!"

by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2010 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

odo

Article says that MW scouts compared Odorizzi to a lesser version of Zack Greinke…i was glad to read that, I made that comp two years ago in the ’09 book.

by John Sickels on Oct 1, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Heh:
Franklin gets the job done at shortstop, but his solid-average arm and range probably will play better at second base in the major leagues.

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by Jeff Reese on Oct 1, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHA

well in the very least, if the above is right, it looks like Ackley’s gonna have some stiff competition breathing down his neck in another couple years.

by BryceHarper on Oct 1, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He will anyway.

Kyle Seager is a very underrated prospect.

A 2B logjam is not a problem, though, so we’ll just let everything sort itself out.

That said, I’m virtually certain the Ms will keep Franklin at SS unless he’s an absolute butcher there.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness though

That is the point of the positional adjustment. It is pretty obvious that someone who gets the job done at shortstop would player better at 2B.

by JD Sussman on Oct 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"easily"?

Hicks and Franklin had very similar strikeout rates, but look at the difference in their walk rates: Franklin 8.7%, Hicks 17.0%. Hicks is a far safer bet to provide a high OBP, 2B and CF have the same positional adjustment, and Hicks still has all-world tools. The only way you could make a case for Franklin as a 2B to be “easily ahead of Hicks” is if you’re just using dingers and ARL as the only factors to rank on.

by jibs on Oct 1, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could think of a few reasons.

1. Hicks is a year and a half older than Franklin.
2. 23 HR compared to 8 HR.
3. Hicks just repeated the league

What, I can’t use that argument because of how you finished your argument? Should I end this argument with “The only way you can say Hicks and Franklin is equal is if you use sound judgment, and that just isn’t fair.”

And he’s still ahead of Hicks as a 2B, he blows him away as a switch-hitting SS.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 1, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I love Big Dick Nick Franklin. He is a potential 20/20 shortstop and that isn’t easy to find.

by King Billy Royal on Oct 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

BDNF lives on

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by doublestix on Oct 1, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, if you use sound judgement, Hicks and Franklin are both very valuable prospects — neither one being so much greater than the other that you can definitively say that Franklin (at 2B like you said) is EASILY better than Hicks. The point is to project their futures, not rank based on their prior production.

In my opinion, Hicks’ far superior walk rate makes up for the difference in current power output — note that Hicks had a higher wOBA than Franklin despite the difference in power output . And while the 18 month difference in age and Hicks repeating the league are worth noting, they don’t really mean much in terms of projecting where each guy will proceed in their development moving forward.

by jibs on Oct 1, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hicks

I like Hicks upside, but he really needs to start hitting the ball with some authority. Until he starts driving the ball I wouldn’t be able to put him near the top 30-40 prospects in baseball. Top 100 prospect? Sure. But he has a very low floor to go along with his high ceiling.

by King Billy Royal on Oct 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that a player with his on base skills at a premium defensive position is a low-floor player

If Franklin moves to 2B and doesn’t refine his walk rate, I’d say that his floor is just as low as Hicks’ floor – it’s just swapping power for patience.

by jibs on Oct 1, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with KBR

though he could also be next year’s version of Mike Moustakas and Eric Hosmer.

by BryceHarper on Oct 1, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I agree with this 100%. Hicks could become a big time prospect next season if he busts out.

by King Billy Royal on Oct 2, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hicks' ISO

was .149. That’s not otherworldly, but it’s not as if he’s some slap-hitter we’ll hope develops gap power down the road. He’s got solid gap power already (35% of his hits went for extra bases) with a chance to develop solid HR power as well.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

And if he wants to take Franklin over Hicks? Go right ahead, but it’s certainly not a case where you can objectively say one is the better prospect. I wouldn’t hesitate to take Hicks, but that doesn’t mean I think those that feel differently are foolish. I just disagree with their opinion.

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by Jeff Reese on Oct 1, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would backtrack myself and say this, if the defense at the respective position is above-average or better:

1. Nick Franklin the 2B is a better prospect than Aaron Hicks. Not “easily” but 1 spot ahead without hesitation.
2. Nick Franklin the SS is a much better prospect than Aaron Hicks. If their wOBA’s settled into the same area with similar speed, the positional adjustment makes Nick Franklin a rare breed.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 1, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

Plus, do not let the guy above let you think that Frankiln doing that at age 19 isn’t big as well.

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by casejud on Oct 1, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

Hicks is more projectable. Franklin’s in-game power is excellent, but his raw power is still only so-so. He’ll still likely continue to hit some home runs (particularly in the Cal league), but it would be an error to assume he’s going to continue to add a huge amount of power. He’s not built that way, and the Ms are not going to try and develop him that way, because they want him to stay in the middle infield.

Hicks’ batting eye is light years ahead of Franklin’s. Given that his scouting profile is also superior, I don’t think it’s the easy choice you’re making it out to be. There’s certainly an argument for Franklin, but there’s a totally reasonable argument for Hicks as well. Personally, I’d give Hicks the slight edge.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Had to laugh

A cursory look on youtube shows that Franklin has, in fact very, very good raw power and this is yet another case of somebody miscasting a prospect based on size- Franklin is simply a smaller kid with a who swings hard and has very good power.

Dude, you are going to convince me that a kid who was 19 years old, in a park and league that kills offense, especially the home run, and hit a record for the team that stood since 1941, that his power isn’t for real.

Hicks is more projectable? Why exactly? He isn’t bigger. Because he was drafted 13 spots ahead in the draft? (14 vs 27) Sorry, not buying it. The idea that he has more projectable power because he DOESN"T have as much current power

Hicks’s tools are better? Sure maybe 1 or 2 but, not the HIT tool and Franklin has enough throwing arm to be playing a good shortstop, steals more bases, and can hit the ball with some authority. Hick’s imaginary edge in “tools” and “projectability” are nullified to me by Franklin’s very real edge in baseball skill, and ege. Which, actually, you are seriously underrrating. I’ll take Frankin.

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know what raw power means?

Because the only thing on youtube are in-game shots of Franklin, and almost every well-struck ball you’ll find on youtube is hit to his pull side. Those videos have absolutely nothing to do with how scouts gauge raw power. If your cursory look runs afoul of something that’s pretty much 100% consensus among trained professional scouts, it may be time to consider the fact that you have absolutely no scouting background relevant.

Franklin is a fast-twitch athlete who generates power with quick writsts, not brute strength. He has an incredibly slight frame with EXTREMELY narrow shoulders that won’t allow him to pack on much more muscle. Beyond that, any responsible team that wants to keep him in the middle infield will focus on developing lean muscle rather than adding bulk, both to maximize his biggest offensive strength and to help him remain agile and quick in the field.

Hicks is much broader, has more present strength, and more room to add it. Further, as an outfielder whose top speed and ability to read balls matters more than the quickness of his first step, the Twins can afford to put him on a strength-training regimen designed to add some more bulk.

Both are very good prospects, but evaluating Franklin’s future is a little more complicated than “he hit 23 home runs, so he’ll obviously continue to hit for even more power in the future.”

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hicks' cieling is pretty darn close to twice as High as Franklin's

as a MAJOR LEAGUER

seriously Franklin could be the next Jack Wilson or the next Aaron Hill with more speed.

Hicks could be the next Dominic Brown/ Torii Hunter/ Chilli Davis/ Dexter Fowler / and so on….

I know this argument is weak but i don’t care if you take Franklin over Hicks right now fine, but in the future that’d be pretty silly if you ask me.

I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!

Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 4, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll add 2011 will tell us a lot though about Hicks

and quite a bit about Franklin too (although not as much)

I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!

Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 4, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I wouldn’t even comment except that these two paragraphs above are completely ridiculous! A year and a half of development is huge, going forward normally. .. .. as is having power. Not that I don’t like Hicks as a prospect but, those statements aren’t true.

Deal with the life you’ve got. Solve the problems you have, rather than fantasizing about a life without them.
-Bill James

by casejud on Oct 1, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Applying the same aging curve...

to every player regardless of physical tools is a big, big error.

Franklin pretty much maximized his raw power this year, Hicks barely began tapping into his. Hicks projects to develop more power moving forward, even though Franklin showed more in games last year. Whether that projection will A) happen or B) close the gap completely between the two players’ present power output, nobody can say with 100% certainty, but Hicks showed a far superior approach in 2010, and his tools are still better than Franklin’s. Further, their XBH%‘s were very, very close – Franklin’s was 36%, Hicks 35%.

I think my fellow Mariners fans need to start tempering their enthusiasm for Franklin a bit. What he did in 2010 was a fantastic performance, but he still strikes out too much and doesn’t walk enough. More importantly, while his 23 homers were very impressive, he doesn’t project as a 30hr guy in the majors. All performances in the low minors are not created equally, and Franklin is a guy who got the absolute most out of his tools this year. We can project some growth out of him, but not the kind of growth we should be expecting from Hicks. He just doesn’t have the physical tools for it.

Nick Franklin is a very good prospect. Nick Franklin is not, however, a surefire middle of the order bat from the shortstop position. There is a reason guys like Dave Cameron, Jason Churchill, and the BA writers still project his upside as “the good version of Jason Bartlett” and not Cal Ripken, Jr. reincarnate.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it should probably go without saying, but...

that “reason” is a little more complicated than that all of these guys don’t realize that Franklin’s homer output was an impressive and rare feat for someone his age at this level. Jim Callis isn’t an idiot.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just a great job here man

All of the replies you have in this sub-thread are excellent.

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by gatling on Oct 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously you are.

I think, however, that your opinion is based on a few flawed factors. I hope you haven’t found my tone insulting.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

flawed factors

a year and a half difference – in the same league- is NOT a flawed factor. It is a very real ACTUAL factor. Its part of the very physics of evaluating prospects.

I’m not saying that some guys, like Hicks, dont develop slowly and still make it but, guys like Franklin who develop QUICKLY, are vastly better.

I don’t find your “tone” insulting but, I kinda find your ideas insulting. There is nothing more projectable or apprecialbly better toolwise about Hicks that makes up for Franklin’s rather large edge in baseball skill.

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, fine

I’ll laugh at that but, of course I can’t take that seriously as adding anything to the conversation.

Good players in the minors who are 19 years and 7 months old have a WAY better track record than good players who are 21 years and 0 months old.

Not to mention that Franklin was actually a BETTER player this year.

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that Franklin was actually a BETTER player this year.

He actually wasn’t. He hit more HRs, but Hicks had a higher wOBA. 50 points of OBP is worth a lot.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And while we don't have advanced fielding data for minor leaguers

Hicks was a plus defensive CF, while Franklin was almost certainly below average at SS.

I don’t want to rag on Franklin. I’m an Ms fan and he’s awesome. He just isn’t quite the blue chipper some people think he is. He has a lot of work to do, and he will still have to advance to the majors based on skills, because his physical ceiling remains limited.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get real

Guys who arent even good players in nthe MWL at his age become stars OFTEN

He was wxcellent and has plenty of skill to play SS. That is BS right there, Im sorry.

Because some donkey says he should move to 2b now, people parrot it like its true. He is just as good at SS as Hicks is in CF.

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said Franklin won't become awesome.

But he was not good at SS this year. You said he was better in the MWL THIS year. He wasn’t. He has the skills to stick there, but he wasn’t a plus glove for the LumberKings this year.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being completely reasonable here

but, as bad as you think I am underselling Hicks’s tools, or overrating Franklins power I TOTALLY believe you are underselling age relative to leage as a factor. Hell, guys who weren’t even GOOD in the midwest league, at the age of 19, become star players OFTEN.

Im actually not really interested in the Aaron Hicks portion of this argument, to be honest. I think he’s a good CF p[rospect. I think Franklin’s ceiling is much, much higher though. Not his ceiling exactly either – his future REALITY. He’s not as good as Cal Ripken was but, he’s pretty damned good.

By the way, a couple points about power… and common sense.
 1 I find it extremely hard to believe that the M’s aren’t going to want to develop a kid with some power at a crucial postition, considering the state of thier offense.
2 Size doess not always equal power in the ratio that you think it does.

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never foreclosed the possibility of Franklin becoming a star.

I just don’t think he has 30hr power. I think he’s closer to his power ceiling than most 19-year-olds who flash this kind of power, for reasons I think I’ve documented here.

ARL is incredibly important, but you can lose a lot of information if you consider only the general rule and tune out information about the specific player. Franklin has a limited physical ceiling. He’s done incredibly well because he has seriously advanced skills for his age, but expecting him to add serious bulk to increase his power output precipitously is unrealistic for the kind of player he is and the kind of build he has.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 I find it extremely hard to believe that the M’s aren’t going to want to develop a kid with some power at a crucial postition, considering the state of thier offense.

The Ms will develop him, they just aren’t going to do so in a way that overemphasizes bulking up. Doing so would both neutralize his best tool as a hitter – his lightning-quick wrists – and compromise his defensive abilities. Ruben Sierra completely lost what should have been his peak years in large part because he bulked up the wrong way. The worst thing the Mariners could do is try and maximize how much weight Nick Franklin can bench press.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to put it as "you opinion is based on a few flawed factors" is to say that my opinion is wrong or flawed.

That’s a bit insulting and it’s like saying that we know exactly how every prospect is going to turn out when CLEARLY the smartest minds in baseball can’t even do that. My opinion is that Franklin is a better prospect, mostly based on him being a shortstop. They each have their give and take at the plate, but what it comes down to for me is positionability.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 4, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

To be fair, I was responding not to your personal preference, but to the fact that you characterized Franklin v. Hicks above as something that’s not even a close discussion. I disagree with your conclusion but understand where you’re coming from, but I strongly disagree with the idea that anyone with any sense should obviously prefer Franklin.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither do I!

You’re the one who’s said how obvious the decision is. I don’t get this playing the martyr all of a sudden.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn it SBN.

Anyways, I’m not playing a martyr. I’m just saying, if you think Hicks is better – that’s perfectly fine by me. You might be right.

It’s MY opinion that Franklin is better than Hicks and there’s no doubt in MY mind that it is true. I don’t need anyone else to agree with it and I don’t think a persons opinion is flawed if they do disagree with me. We’re talking about players that were just ranked back to back, not Buster Posey versus Tyler Flowers.

by Kenneth Arthur on Oct 4, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Jason Bartlett hit 23 home runs in 8 seasons in the minors. I fail to see how Franklin is similar to Bartlett… EXCEPT for 20 hiomers a year. Sounds more similar to Ripken to me.

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right.

Clearly Jim Callis doesn’t understand what the number 23 is, or what Nick Franklin’s age does to his prospect status.

I don’t want to write a lot more because I don’t want to sound insulting, but you know far, far less than you think you do, casejud.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I defer to NOBODY

Sorry, I RESPECT a lot of people’s opinions on prospects but, I do my own thinking on them Buddy.

Answer me this? How many “experts” told me or you or any of us that Frankin had such power a year ago? I didn’t hear many and yet again I believe its because some well meeeing, non-expert or 3 looked at Frankin and decided, based on his size, that he didn’t have power- well, sorry, he DOES.

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doing your own thinking...

is awesome. Completely discounting the opinion of a guy who helped develop the general rules you’re applying to this specific player as not worth anything is silly.

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

I may be discounting YOUR opinion, in this instance, but I haven’t ebven read the particular opinion Callis has expressed to discount it. What is it exactly? That Frankin is the good Jason Bartlett. Do I have to tell you that A good SS that hits 20-25 Homers is a HELL of a player?

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree to an extent...

that in-game power gets underrated. I think Littlewood will turn out to be a bit better than scouts give him credit right now, much for the same reason. Players who maximize their physical potential excite me.

But just because Franklin made harder contact than scouts expected, it doesn’t mean they were wrong about his RAW power (that is, how much room he has to add strength and start muscling balls over the fence).

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I admit

to not knowing al, the scouting terminology but, I believe that p[art of raw power is measured bu the DISTANCE that a kid hits his homers. Yopu may be right about the concept of PROJECTABLE future power but, I think that his raw distance of his homers is pretty damned good.

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Raw power refers to the power that a player can potentially grow into, not how hard he currently hits the ball in in-game situations (that’s present power).

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never understood...

why people put such a focus on “repeated the league.” Most of the top talent has turned over. Except for the parks, it’s for all practical purposes a different league. If a 20-year-old putting up Hicks’ line in the MWL is an impressive feat in a vacuum, why does repeating the league make it any less so?

by slamcactus on Oct 4, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I agree
I believe it has some merit as a criticsm though, when a player is repeating a league at an inappropriate age for a prospect.

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by casejud on Oct 4, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the basis of my upcoming article

Basically, it deals with the question of when Rice University will promote Anthony Rendon. Rendon’s not doing anything for me as he’s just repeating his level of competition. Hopefully Rice doesn’t hold him back this year, but I don’t have a good feeling about it. There’s got to be a reason why they’re holding Rendon back at a level of competition even lower than that found in the rookie leagues, and we’re going to have to drop him considerably as a result.

by mrkupe on Oct 5, 2010 12:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah +10

i think the M’s are doing more damage to Franklin by ‘pushing him’

than the Twins are doing to Hicks by repeating him at a level in the LOW MINORS! and especially true if Hicks is in FSL all year in 2011 and Franklin is in between A+ and AA and than back again to A+….

I think the M’s should take it Slower with Franklin seriously.

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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 4, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the Franklin quote from the BA writeup jar75?

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by Adam Foster on Oct 1, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow! Pretty solid list.

some guys I was looking forward to seeing on this list, but since the league was just that deep, they couldn’t be included.

Borchering, Richards, Gennett, Rincon, James Jones, Lobstein, & probably a few more.

Anyone have any names they were completely surprised they weren’t on here?

by gghulsebus on Oct 1, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

oops

didn’t see archie’s post above

by gghulsebus on Oct 1, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

A.J. Jimenez

Figured he’d sneak on the list in the 18-20 range but it’s a deep league, I wonder how close he was.

by The_Bunk on Oct 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably so

I’m expecting to see him at #2 in the Carolina league behind Teheran

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by Archie A on Oct 1, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

the guy ahead of him in the Midwest League?

Myers was ahead of Lamb in the Midwest League . . .I’d be shocked if the same isn’t true for the Carolina League.

by mrkupe on Oct 4, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Hosmer
Lamb
Myers

In that order. Weird… why do they do that?

by 306008 on Oct 4, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different writer?

Callis did the MWL list, Lacy Lusk the Carolina League one. No way to know how many scouts overlapped and saw a player in each league as well.

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by gatling on Oct 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what happened

Here is what Callis said about it in Myers’ writeup

Myers and lefthander John Lamb gave Burlington the best battery in the MWL, and Lamb would have ranked right behind Myers on this list had he not departed in late May before qualifying.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

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by doublestix on Oct 1, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Superb

That sounds right. Love a lot of this top 20 in order actually, very different from the SAL.

by mrkupe on Oct 1, 2010 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Speaking of the SAL list
Shane (Miami): Jim, There’s no question the MWL was stacked this year. In your opinion, would any of the 5-8 (or more) beat out Singleton in the SAL? If so, which ones for you?

Jim Callis: Hadn’t thought about it that way, but yes, I would take the top five MWL prospects (Trout, Miller, Myers, Turner, Hicks) over Singleton. I’d think about taking Franklin, McNutt and Odorizzi over him also.

The first part of that doesn’t surprise me at all, same with Franklin. While I personally have Odorizzi higher than Singleton I was surprised to hear Callis say he’d consider taking both McNutt and Odorizzi over Singleton.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious

I’d love to know how many people “quietly” shifted McNutt 20-30 spots upwards on those top 100 lists I know are baking.

by mrkupe on Oct 1, 2010 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm sure it's happened.

I had him as a solid B in the end of season ranking thread, behind Odorizzi who is a high end B in my book. The write up made me feel good about my ranking, but it’s not going to push him up my list.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allen Webster’s rating seems pretty bullish. Not that I’m disagreeing.

by limozeen on Oct 1, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Guys who just missed/21-30 range(from the Callis chat)

Garrett Richards was probably #21
Borchering
Randall Grichuk
Scooter Gennett
Ian Krol
Max Stassi

Just a very deep class in the MWL this year, but a 16 team league will have that I guess.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm...

no Khris Davis or Kentrail Davis. I also heard that D’Vontrey Richardson was tearing it up late in the season although he sounds like he is still learning defense despite his athleticism.

by JetSam on Oct 1, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kentrail was touched on
Davis hit well, but only after not playing well in the FSL, and I think he’s a LF. Not sure if he has enough bat to make him a solid regular there.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

OPSd .939 for the Rattlers. Supposedly he had some leg problems in Florida and the cooler weather was beneficial. That could be malarky.

I wonder how much of their ratings are influenced by height. They’ve had some negative comments over time in reference to stature and there are a lot of short guys on the team. Cutter Dykstra had a nice year as well as Gennet. Those 2 and Davis are all short relatively speaking.

by JetSam on Oct 1, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there wasn't a little bias

from his FSL struggles. I’m not sure I would have had him in the top 20 because of the mass of talent in the league this year, but the comment seemed more negative than I would have expected.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really wonder where matt magill is???

he led all minor leaguers with his .194 batting average against, had a 9.6 K/9, 6.2 H/9, as a 6 foot 3 inch 20 year old.. how is he not even on the top 21-30??

by matthewmafa on Oct 1, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Specifically his slider

was said to have been too much for Low A ball hitters but likely won’t fool more advanced hitters.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

and why is that?

hes not gonna improve? hes 20 years old

by matthewmafa on Oct 1, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm only relaying

what Callis said the scouts thought about him.

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by gatling on Oct 1, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My 2 cents on Cubs

Overall, I like the order of the list. I’m very pleased at the ranking of McNutt. I thought that they would have a bigger gap b/w Trey and Shelby/Jacob, but I think this is fair. He was dominant throughout his time in the MWL, showing a mid-90’s heater with a good curve.

I also respect the heck out of the Lee ranking for where they put it. I thought they might be tempted to slide him higher, but I think this is fair.

Some other Cubs of note -

Jae-Hoon Ha – toolsy Korean hit well, but has discipline issues. Hmm … reminds a touch of Kyler Burke last year, although a bit more hopeful on Ha.

Matt Cerda – Really love Cerda’s bat, and the reports are that he can handle second. I’m hopeful the Cubs shift him to 2nd, and make Logan Watkins a utility guy.

Nick Struck – Young, athletic righty gets into the low 90’s. Should be able to add some more velo. Had a solid season.

Robert Whitenack/Jeffry Antigua/Su-min Jung all had solid enough seasons to warrant some attention down the line, although all three look more like end of the rotation type projections if they develop.

Brett Wallach/Robinson Lopez joined late, and to an extent so did Frank Batista. If there’s a darkhorse arm in the Cubs system, Batista might be it. Can get up to 93 with a good slider.

Dang, the MWL was loaded again.

by toonsterwu on Oct 1, 2010 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

dang, McNutt's writeup

makes him sound … like a top 50 prospect. Two plus-plus pitches? I knew his fb/breaking ball was real good at times this year … but geesh, plus-plus good?

by toonsterwu on Oct 1, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I’ve been doing a lot of reading/research on guys lately for the top prospects list . . .McNutt was a guy who jumped out to me as somebody considerably better than his hype. I think top 50 is very doable for him, although not sure yet if that will be the reality.

by mrkupe on Oct 1, 2010 8:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can't claim to "scout" games

but when I saw McNutt pitch this year, I thought his change looked much better than the scouting reports. Granted, a few drinks and some young hitters – so not sure how good it actually is, but I know he got some swings and misses with it.

The P-Chiefs announcer voiced some frustrations on another site, saying that he felt McNutt was better than Turner. I have no issues with the rankings, and I am a big fan of Turner, but if McNutt is really plus-plus fb, plus-plus breaking ball, decent change, solid control … he might have a point. Of course, McNutt has to maintain the consistency of his stuff each year, and we have to wait and see how he looks next year as AA hitters get a longer look at him (guessing AA).

by toonsterwu on Oct 1, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had him pegged as a solid B

Starting to think that may be a bit light. I still like Archer more though.

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by Jeff Reese on Oct 1, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t disagree with that. The difference between the two is defensive value, though.

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by Adam Foster on Oct 2, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sands is slightly too low, IMO

He should be at least in the range of 12-15.

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by Ivdown on Oct 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

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by Jeff Reese on Oct 2, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

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by Ivdown on Oct 3, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

He has a good approach at the plate and legitimate plus power (could even see the argument for a 75/80 grade). Has proven himself at AA too, unlike most of the players on this list. Should be higher.

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by OremLK on Oct 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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