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Top NL Pitching Prospect Combos


ProspectTube.com's AL post was a good one, so it really should have a counterpart. I should also note that for my list I only included prospects that I think will actually end up as starting pitchers. Feel free to discuss changes if you want to include relievers, though.

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1. San Francisco: Bumgarner & Wheeler - I'm not one of the people who is in the camp that Bumgarner has lost a lot of stock due to his drop in velocity and I'm pretty huge on Wheeler. However, I could see the argument for putting Colorado ahead here. It'll be nice to be a Giants fan in three or four years when these two are both in the rotation with Lincecum and Cain.

2. Colorado: Friedrich & Matzek - My argument for why Colorado is not number one is simple: Friedrich needs to pitch above A-ball and continue to put up those numbers before I really think he's got number one potential. He's got an immensely high floor, but I'm not sold on his ceiling. In addition, my gut feeling on Matzek is that he's going to be a bust. I have no idea why this is, but it is what it is. Even so, Colorado, for me, is a clear step ahead of the rest of the field (other than San Francisco, obviously)

*gap*

3. Los Angeles: Withrow & Martin - I think that these two are the safest bets to be right in the middle of the pack. There are a lot of pitchers on teams further down the list that I would take above these two guys, but no team has the same combination of quality arms.

4. Washington: Strasburg & Myers - Strasburg, yes. Rest of organization... not so much.

5. Atlanta: Teheran & Minor - Atlanta is the last team where I actually like both of these guys a lot. However, I do need to see more of Mike Minor before I really make up my mind on him, but I'm leaning towards the positive for him.

6. New York: Mejia & Niese - You could throw Holt in there if you like him more than Niese, but I think it's a pretty clear drop off here from Mejia to whoever else you put in there. I'm not quite sure what to think about Mejia entirely, but I feel like he's got enough upside to put the Mets here.

7. Florida: Tucker & James - I'm pretty confident that Tucker is going to see success at the Major League level. But he did just miss most of the year due to injury, and James hasn't pitched yet, so the Fish go in the middle.

8. St. Louis: Miller & Garcia - I think Shelby Miller is going to be an absolute stud. However, I don't think Garcia is going to have a long career as a starter, but it seems like the Cardinals intend to use him there if they can.

9. Cincinatti: Leake & Wood - Mike Leake is a solid pitcher, and there's a lot to like about him. Wood seems to me like he could eat some innings, and I included him in here over Maloney because he's a little better at keeping the ball in the yard, which is mildly important in Cincinatti.

*small gap*

10. Arizona: Parker & Belfiore - Before the injury I would have put these two up above the Mets duo, but since it happened so recently, we need to take our time and see how Parker progresses through rehab. I also think Belfiore is pretty intriguing, and these two could rank much higher next year.

11. Pittsburg: Lincoln & Von Rosenberg - I almost slotted the Pirates as high as number 8, but I have to say that their lack of a top-of-the-rotation candidate hurts them here. That being said, I'm excited to see what Von Rosenberg does in his first full season, and it's possible that he might end up being that candidate.

12: Chicago: Cashner & Carpenter - Someone will probably disagree with these next two, so I'm just going to point out that this is just my opinion. These two are solid, but I don't think they're that exciting as prospects, and I'm not sold on Cashner's profile as a starter.

13. Houston: Lyles & Seaton - I'm probably being too hard on Jordan Lyles, but I just don't see him getting to be a number two-type starter. That being said, he's only going to be 19 this year, and will probably get some time in AA, so my mind might change on him in a hurry. I also find Ross Seaton pretty uninteresting.

14. Milwaukee: Arnett & Odorizzi - I like these two guys, but Arnett didn't show me too much with his performance in Rookie ball as a 21-year old and Odorizzi simply doesn't have a ceiling that makes you think he's going to be someone we're talking about this time next year. You could also take Heckathorn or Scarpetta here, though, which makes the Crew a little more interesting.

*gap*

15. Philadelphia: May & Cosart - Drabek and Knapp would have been nice, and down the road May and Cosart may be, but there's too much uncertainty here to not put the Phightins' down here.

16. San Diego: Castro & Luebke - I don't know what to think of San Diego at all. Maybe it's just because I live on the East Coast and don't know too much about them, but looking at these two wouldn't get me excited about the Padres hopes to turn things around. The lose out to the Phillies because I don't think these two have the upside that May and Cosart do. You could throw Wynn Pelzer in there, who I do like a bit, but he is already 23 and hasn't even pitched in AA yet.

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I think Wheeler has arm problems in his future and am sort of in the middle on Bumgarner. I’d put Colorado 1st I think and delete that gap because I think a lot of the combos could be as good, if not better, than the Giants combo.

by jfish26101 on Jan 3, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

Give me Colorado at #1, with Friedrich/Chacin

Chacin is a proven elite pitching prospect and is neck and neck with Friedrich, atleast to me. That change up is devastating.

by soccerman0 on Jan 3, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

I agree. If I was more sold on Bumgarner, maybe I could see them at #1 but I’m honestly not even sure if they are #2. Even if his velocity returns, you still have the secondary stuff. A great FB just isn’t enough for most MLB hitters so I was concerned before the drop in velocity. I agree that he still has the potential, especially if that velocity returns, but he just has too many question marks for me to rank him in the top 5 SP prospects.

by jfish26101 on Jan 4, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally...

I cant disagree with 1 and 2, but I think that they Dodgers are before that gap. They have Withrow and Martin, and then have Aaron Miller, Garrett Gould, Nate Eovaldi and even Scott Elbert who have #2 or higher potential. Id say that its SFG, Col, LAD, then the gap.. may be a bias here because LA is my team, but just my feeling.

Also, Col guys are younger than the Dodger guys…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 4, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Jay Jackson

The Cubs have this guy named Jay Jackson

He’s pretty good. You might want to check him out.

by FanBall on Jan 4, 2010 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

Normally

I don’t know how i did that, but normally I can’t leave the house without forgetting two things. So if that’s all that I missed I’m not going to be too upset with myself. But yes, he should have been in there. I doubt that would have moved them that far up the list.

by ajake57 on Jan 4, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

disagree

I’d take Jackson and Cashner over Lincoln/VR and an injured Parker/Belfiore, easy.

by PrincetonCubs on Jan 4, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea...

Castro alone is better thsn the Phillies duo.

by joegonzo on Jan 4, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

That's entirely possible

Something is making me hesitate about those two, but you are probably right.

by ajake57 on Jan 4, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I might have done that

If I had been talking about relievers

by ajake57 on Jan 4, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

and I double checked the heading, where it says “pitching prospects”, not “starting pitching prospects”. Therefore, I go Strasburg/Storen #1, Colorado #2.

The wind is in the buffalo.

by journeymen on Jan 6, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Why..

Strasburg has proven anything yet. I dont care about his amazing college career. Until he proves he can handle A/AA/AAA competiton for a complete season(not a couple weeks in the AFL), he shouldnt be part of top combo. The other combos at least have guys that have proven something in the minors. No matter how great he was in college, the minors are MUCH different than playing at SDSU….

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 6, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, he is going to be a top 5 prospect on every publication’s list.

by jfish26101 on Jan 6, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Very striking to me

How much worse this list is than the AL list. It could turn out to be the opposite, but these prospects don’t seem nearly as good as the AL bunch at first glance. Am I way off?

I like the Pirates higher than you have em, but otherwise a fine list.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 4, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

An excellent point

I looked at the 32 names after I put them all in one place together and I wasn’t that impressed with that I came up with. And I also like the Pirates more than that slot would indicate, but I couldn’t justify moving them up. I would say they’re the sleeper duo of the list.

by ajake57 on Jan 4, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

A combined list would be kind of scary.

by alskor on Jan 4, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Cashner and Jay Jackson

pretty frickin solid.

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Jan 4, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

-1

Wouldn’t move them up the rankings at all.

by jfish26101 on Jan 4, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Jackson. I love Cashner

I’d move them way up. #7 for me, right below NYM

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by gore51 on Jan 4, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Atlanta should be Teheran and Vizcaino…

"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host

by bwellnjonesco on Jan 4, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

I like Minor more

But I’m not going to disagree with you saying Vizcaino could be in there.

by ajake57 on Jan 4, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think one of Teheran/Vizcaino busts making Minor better, just have to decide which is most likely to fall short of their potential.

by jfish26101 on Jan 4, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I believe Minor will see success as an average 2 or good 3. His skill set is underrated by this site in my opinion.

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by gore51 on Jan 4, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

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