Bailey or Buchholz?
by airweino on Jan 3, 2010 7:31 PM EST
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Which young starting pitcher would you rather have for 2010 and beyond, the Cincinnati Reds' Homer Bailey or the Boston Red Sox's Clay Buchholz? Both seem to have a ton of upside, but plenty of drawbacks.
I think I give the edge to Buchholz, but what does everyone else think?
Will Bailey ever make good on his potential?
Can Buchholz survive in Beantown or will he be shipped off to some place else (SD?)?
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he was in the zone
and demonstrated why he was a top pitching prospect in the past.
however, I think Buchholz might be the safer bet to realize his potential.
JOSH THOLE > carlos santana
Both seem to have a ton of upside, but plenty of drawbacks.
What are the “drawbacks” of Buchholz again…?
Buchholz easy for me. Bailey could end up good, but there are a ton of reasons to think Buchholz is on the verge of emerging as a front of the rotation starter – and even if he never hits his ceiling he’s already pitching like an above average starter.
I think there is plrenty of reason to think Bailey is on the verge too
His final 10 starts of the year were pretty impressive.
64ip
2.25 ERA
21% K rate (K/TBF)
9.9% BB rate (BB/TBF)
As for Buchholz drawbacks…. I don’t know if anything jumps out to me. He had 4 starts with 6 or 7 ER. Every other start was 3 ER or less. Boom or bust, but plenty of boom in there. Safe bet would be to take Buchholz here.
I think both guys have good years next season barring an injury.
Agreed
The one thing I didn’t like is the amount of pitches that Baker left him out there for in completely meaningless games. There was a 6 or 7 game stretch where he threw 115+ pitches per game.
I also like both going forward too.
Drawback for Buchholz...
pitching in the AL east as opposed to the NL central. Thats a pretty big difference. I would stilll take him over Bailey though.
I think Buchholtz gets dealt...
but I’d still go with the potential Bailey has over Buchholtz. Bailey’s velocity is back to where it used to be and that made all the difference.
Not really
Bailey’s first 10 starts of the year his fastball averaged 94.2 MPH. He got beat around in those games and his K rate was 12.6%. In his last 10 starts of the year his fastball averaged 94.0 MPH. He dominated those starts and had a K rate of 21.0%. The difference was probably his ability to throw strikes with his fastball. He threw it for strikes 4.5% more, got swings on it 6.9% more, his whiff rate on it went from 8% to 4.5% and his foul rate on it went from 19.5% to 24.5%.
what are the drawbacks for each?
i’m not seeing many, if any… i know more about Bailey, so I was going to ask those… as for Buccholz, its mostly pitching in the ALE and trying to be in starting rotation
That's the second mention of Clay being in the AL East...
I read it again and I still have no idea if this question is meant for fantasy or real life.
If its IRL, then the division doesnt make a difference, since we’re concerned with the underlying abilities…
Process vs. Result.
The question isnt who will have the better surface numbers, but who would you rather have. Id be looking at context neutral stuff for that.
did he specify?
i re-read the first post… it seemed like he was including team/divisional factors… it wasn’t a simple homer vs. clay question… he mentioned both teams and even buchholz moving to sd.
either way I’m taking Bailey… but it seemed like the question was specifically about numbers, and the poll for 2010. I’m going with Bailey on all fronts
gotta be Buchholz
He’s the best pitching prospect of the last several years, and I see no reason to get off the bandwagon now.
by mrkupe on Jan 4, 2010 1:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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