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Top 50 Pitching Prospects from 2005 In Review

Here are my Top 50 Pitching Prospects from 2005. I think this list holds up better than the hitting list. Let's see how they did. You can find a review of the 2004 list (based on what we knew in '08) here.


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Top 50 Pitching Prospects for 2005

1) Felix Hernandez, RHP, Mariners: 58-41, 3.45 ERA, 125 ERA+ in 905 innings. One of the best young pitchers in the game.

2) Adam Miller, RHP, Indians: Can't stay healthy.

3) Jeff Francis, LHP, Rockies: 51-44, 4.74 ERA, 101 ERA+ in 778 innings, injured in '09.

4) Chad Billingsley, RHP, Dodgers: 47-30, 3.55 ERA, 119 ERA+ in 634 innings. One of the best young pitchers in the game.

5) Scott Kazmir, LHP, Rays: 57-46, 3.83 ERA, 117 ERA+ in 870 innings. One of the best young pitchers in the game.

6) Jesse Crain, RHP, Twins: 32-20, 3.50 ERA, 126 ERA+ in 314 innings. Excellent '05 rookie season, has faded since then. Never got a chance to close; this ranking assumed he would.

7) Dan Meyer, LHP, Athletics: Shoulder injury zapped his stuff. 3-8, 5.09 ERA, 83 ERA+ in 104 innings in the majors, but had some Triple-A success.

8) Huston Street, RHP, Athletics: 25-13, 129 saves, 2.91 ERA, 149 ERA+ in 331 innings. Great closer.

9) Gavin Floyd, RHP, Phillies: 36-29, 4.67 ERA, 99 ERA+ in 578 innings. Struggled at first, but has done better since coming to Chicago.

10) Matt Cain, RHP, Giants: 44-51, 3.53 ERA, 126 ERA+ in 872 innings. One of the best young pitchers in the game.

11) Mike Hinckley, LHP, Nationals: Shoulder problems zapped his stuff, now trying to find his way as a LOOGY.

12) Brandon McCarthy, RHP, White Sox: 20-24, 4.56 ERA, 101 ERA+ in 373 innings. Essentially an average pitcher when healthy.

13) Brandon League, RHP, Blue Jays: 7-10, 4.09 ERA, 108 ERA+ in 202 innings. Has had moments of strong success but erratic.

14) Merkin Valdez, RHP, Giants: 3-1, 5.24 ERA, 84 ERA+ in 67 innings. Tommy John surgery and command problems.

15) Ian Snell, RHP, Pirates: 38-48, 4.71 ERA, 92 ERA+ in 757 innings. Above average in 2007 but has been mediocre otherwise.

16) Anthony Reyes, RHP, Cardinals: 13-26, 5.12 ERA, 85 ERA+ in 293 innings. Had some success in 2008 but otherwise disappointing.

17) Jose Capellan, RHP, Brewers: 5-7, 4.89 ERA, 92 ERA+ in 123 innings. Faded out after some flashes of success in the majors in '05 and '06.

18) J.D. Durbin, RHP, Twins: 6-6, 6.19 ERA, 74 ERA+ in 73 innings. Outstanding stuff, but control problems and durability issues have kept him from success.

19) Scott Baker, RHP, Twins: 43-33, 4.27 ERA, 101 ERA+ in 653 innings. A very nice inning-eater with occasional flashes of brilliance.

20) Joe Blanton, RHP, Athletics: 63-54, 4.21 ERA, 102 ERA+ in 1027 innings. Like Baker, he eats innings and keeps his team in the game.

21) Yusmeiro Petit, RHP, Mets: 10-20, 5.57 ERA, 83 ERA+ in 229 innings. Hasn't lived up to the minor league numbers.

22) Jairo Garcia, RHP, Athletics: Age-Gate guy, now Santiago Casilla. 6-4, 5.11 ERA, 84 ERA+ in 160 innings. Has the stuff, just doesn't do much with it.

23) Richie Gardner, RHP, Reds: Got hurt in 2005, never the same. Out of baseball.

24) Denny Bautista, RHP, Royals: 9-15, 6.26 ERA, 72 ERA+ in 190 innings. Dominican version of J.D. Durbin.

25) Kyle Davies, RHP, Braves: 34-44, 5.54 ERA, 79 ERA+ in 523 innings. Was rushed by the Braves, sometimes looks good but just doesn't put it together.

26) Jacob Stevens, LHP, Braves: Command collapsed in '05, stuff declined as well, hanging around now as a mediocre A-ball pitcher.

27) Jon Papelbon, RHP, Red Sox: 14-11, 151 saves, 1.84 ERA, 254 ERA+: Pretty freaking good I would say.

28) Chad Orvella, RHP, Rays: 4-10, 5.79 ERA, 77 ERA+ in 82 innings. He had a good rookie year in '05 but fell apart after that.

29) Scott Olsen, LHP, Marlins: 33-44, 4.77 ERA, 90 ERA+ in 642 innings. Flashes of good pitching but inconsistent, head case.

30) Jered Weaver, RHP, Angels: 51-27, 3.73 ERA, 121 ERA+ in 672 innings. A personal favorite.

31) Gio Gonzalez, LHP, White Sox: 7-11, 6.24 ERA, 69 ERA+ in 133 innings. Still just 24, still has a chance, continues to fan people at a strong rate.

32) Jonathan Broxton, RHP, Dodgers: 19-12, 55 saves, 2.92 ERA, 146 ERA+ in 317 innings. Another personal favorite.

33) Zach Duke, LHP, Pirates: 37-55, 4.30 ERA, 99 ERA+ in 805 innings. A league-average inning eater.

34) Justin Verlander, RHP, Tigers: 65-43, 3.92 ERA, 116 ERA+ in 840 innings. Was just coming out of college in 2004 which is why he was this low. Excellent in '06, '07, and '09, '08 was just a hiccup.

35) Glen Perkins, LHP, Twins: 18-11, 4.73 ERA, 90 ERA+ in 282 innings. Strikeout rates don't support long-term success.

36) Thomas Diamond, RHP, Rangers: Working his way back from arm problems. Still has a slight chance.

37) Jeff Niemann, RHP, Rays: 15-8, 4.03 ERA, 112 ERA+ in 197 innings. Strong '09 rookie season. I like him going forward.

38) J.P. Howell, LHP, Royals: 18-20, 20 saves, 4.47 ERA, 100 ERA+ in 322 innings. Working off the statistical hangover from being rushed by the Royals. Has been outstanding in the Rays pen the last two years.

39) John Danks, LHP, Rangers: 31-33, 4.06 ERA, 114 ERA+ in  534 innings. Bad rookie season but has been very strong since.

40) Thomas Pauly, RHP, Reds: Hurt his arm, missed all of '05 and '06, came back and pitched badly in '07, out of baseball.

41) David Purcey, LHP, Blue Jays: 4-9, 5.81 ERA, 73 ERA+ in 113 innings. Command issues stalled him out in Triple-A.

42) Edwin Jackson, RHP, Dodgers: 38-39, 4.66 ERA, 96 ERA+ in 670 innings. Struggled at first because he was rushed, average in '08 then very strong in '09.

43) Juan Dominguez, RHP, Rangers: 5-10, 4.60 ERA, 104 ERA+ in 110 innings. Remember this guy? He looked really good for a bit, but got hurt.

44) David Aardsma, RHP, Giants: 13-9, 38 saves, 4.38 ERA, 103 ERA+ in 216 innings. Looked like a failure until a strong '09 season.

45) Josh Banks, RHP, Blue Jays: 4-7, 5.38 ERA, 71 ERA+ in 115 innings. An excellent Triple-A pitcher due to his command, but stuff is just a bit short for the majors.

46) Fernando Cabrera, RHP, Indians: 8-7, 5.12 ERA, 87 ERA+ in 174 innings. He looked terrific in 2005 but has done nothing after that.

47) Fernando Nieve, RHP, Astros: 6-7, 4.20 ERA, 104 ERA+ in 144 innings. Still trying to get established, but he's been decent in limited action.

48) Cole Hamels, LHP, Phillies: 48-34, 3.67 ERA, 121 ERA+ in 737 innings. Missed most of '04 with a bad elbow, which is why he was this low.

49) Adam Harben, RHP, Twins: Sleeper pick that didn't pan out, pitched well in '05 but faded out after that, got hurt.

50) Yhency Brazoban, RHP, Dodgers: 10-12, 4.70 ERA, 21 saves, 88 ERA+ in 115 innings. Looked good at times but couldn't sustain it.

I am very happy with this list, and I think it speaks for itself. Most of the failures are guys who got hurt. The Top Ten worked out great.

The conventional wisdom is that pitching prospects are harder to predict than hitting prospects. In general terms their injury risk is obviously higher, though in '05 the pitching list turned out to be better I think, at least at the top.

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Petit

It actually make some sense. Petit is a flyball pitcher with poor stuff. He now (if he happens to get any MLB time) moves to a team with a spacious field and a great defense. He could see a big jump in his numbers if he gets some of the David Aardsma-esque HR/FB luck. If that were to happen, Jack Z could probably move him for something of value.

by jar75 on Jan 26, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

the 2005 pitching class was pretty amazing

What does everyone think of Jeff Francis’ chances of bouncing back? I hadn’t heard much about his rehab.

And, what’s with Gio Gonzalez? Future LOOGY?

"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"

by feslenraster on Jan 26, 2010 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

Way, way too early to tell.

Erratic as hell, but I see Gio as well beyond a LOOGY.

I’m thinking BOR starter, in the realm of Oliver Perez pre-2009. Awesome when he’s on, awful when he’s off. Bargain when he’s cost controlled, but let him go fast when he hits FA. I think he stays in rotations for the foreseeable future.

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Jan 26, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

bailey

I gave Bailey a B-….he was just coming out of high school. I wrote “the scouting reports on Bailey are great, and he looks like a fine young pitcher on video. The same was said for innumerable pitching burnouts.”

Ubaldo Jimenez was limited to just 44 innings in 2004 due to a shoulder fracture. I still gave him a Grade B due to his potential, but felt it was foolish to put him in a Top 50 due to the injury risk.

by John Sickels on Jan 26, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

43) Juan Dominguez, RHP, Rangers: 5-10, 4.60 ERA, 104 ERA+ in 110 innings. Remember this guy? He looked really good for a bit, but got hurt.

O if it were only that simple…

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jan 26, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Bautista

i remember a game, i think against the Angels, where he just looked unbelievable for 8 innings. i thought at that point that a Zack/Bautista 1-2 was going to dominate for years. well at least 1 worked out. :)

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Jan 26, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

Wow..

there are some serious pitchers that are out west. Weaver, Broxton, Felix, Cain, Billz, etc.

John, based on how Weaver and Broxton have pitched thus far, I think that they are favorites of many

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 26, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

John, one question

Where was Scott Elbert on these lists? His first yr was 04, where he had a 5.26 ERA in 12 games. However, in 05, he showed his potential with 2.66 ERA and a 10K/9 rate..

I know this list is from after the 04 year, just curious where Elbert was back then. Was he just another young lefty with a lot of potential?

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 26, 2010 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

EDIT

I know this list is from after the 04 year, just curious where Elbert was back then. Was he just another young lefty with a lot of potential… even though Dodger scouts were very high on him?

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 26, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

elbert

Elbert pitched poorly at Ogden in 2004. However, I gave him a Grade B- based on his long-term potential, noting that this was “an aggressive grade for a pitcher with these numbers.”

On the 2006 list he moved up to a B+ and was the number 16 pitcher on the list.

by John Sickels on Jan 26, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

I figured the bad 04 didnt look good, but it’s nice to see that you recognize that a bad year in Ogden doesnt hurt a guys potential… especially in just 12 games

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 26, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Based on today, with Elbert still having prospect status, do you think he would be a top 100 prospect? Honestly I can’t believe I’m not seeing him on the lists I’ve seen so far, because he’s got such great minor league numbers (3.27 ERA 6.8 H/9, 10.5 K/9, 0.7 HR/9), and his only real flaw is walks (much like Kershaw, actually) at 4.8 BB/9, but he obviously makes it work and can still be so good.

Honestly what do you think of him current day?

by Ivdown on Jan 27, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Elbert

I like Elbert if he gets a serious shot at starting. As a reliever, he’s much less interesting

by jar75 on Jan 27, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

he could still be a really good reliever

because of his stuff. His strikeouts are amazing. Still, he has FOR potential as a starter and should get a legit shot at starting

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 27, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if he is a really good reliever

His value takes a big hit in the bullpen.

by jar75 on Jan 28, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

agree 100%

I was just saying that he could still be a very good reliever.

But his value lies in him starting

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 28, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a fan of him as a reliever, but it’s because I think he’s got the potential to be a good number 2 starter, or really good number 3 starter some day. I very much want a rotation of:

Kershaw
Billingsley
Elbert
Mcdonald
Withrow

With Martin, Miller, and a few others waiting in the wings.

This could be the rotation in 2 years from this opening day. Hell, move Elbert and Mcdonald back a space and put Kuroda 3rd and that SHOULD have been the rotation for 2010.

by Ivdown on Jan 28, 2010 5:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldnt have been confortable with McDonald and Elbert both starting in 2010

The question would be where are those innings going to go when they are on pitch counts? Now, if we change McDonald and Haegar, that is a good rotation.

I dont want Elbert to be a reliever, but a lefty with a plus RFB, curve and slider would be a very good reliever, IMO

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 28, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Mcdonald will be 26 and Elbert will be 24 or 25, there is no need for low pitch counts, unless they still want to coddle Elbert. I would have been so happy to see both of them in the rotation, but i’m not even sure one of them will be.

by Ivdown on Jan 29, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Weaver

Why was Weaver so low on the list?

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Jan 26, 2010 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

weaver

He had yet to pitch a single professional inning. His ranking on the list was a guestimate based on scouting him in college.

by John Sickels on Jan 26, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

BP and BA

I just seem to remember him being ranked much higher on their lists, however I understand your reasoning. I remember being very suprised at BP’s extraordinarily high ranking although it looks to have been a great pick. Do you have a chance to scout many players in college or do you mostly rely on written reports of others?

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Jan 26, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

depends

depends. midwest guys i usually get to see in person. thanks to cable tv and video, i can usually get a feel for the other guys too. And of course there are always written reports and word of mouth from others.

by John Sickels on Jan 27, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I would find it interesting who is more successful as far as older prospects

Are pitchers more likely to finally put it all together in their mid-late 20s or field players…

by Scrupio on Jan 26, 2010 9:35 PM EST reply actions  

This is an incredibly successful top 50 for pitchers

It is very surprising to me that there are relatively few busts and in almost every way blew the top 50 hitters list out of the water.

by tdot mariner fan on Jan 27, 2010 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

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