Grant Desme Leaving Baseball For the Priesthood
This not a joke, but Oakland Athletics outfielder Grant Desme is leaving baseball to pursue the priesthood.
I'll say this about it: I have a lot more respect for this than I do for people who thank God for helping them make the touchdown or win the big game. Grant Desme is showing genuine courage today, doing what he thinks is the right thing no matter what the rest of the world says.
Here is the comment I wrote about Desme in the book:
Desme was drafted in the second round back in 2007, out of Cal Poly. He was very successful in college, hitting .405/.494/.733 his junior season with 12 steals and 15 homers, and I thought he deserved more attention than he received. He ended up missing almost the entire 2008 season with wrist and shoulder injuries, and was almost a forgotten man entering '09. Forgotten no more, not after hitting a combined .288/.365/.568 with 31 homers, 31 doubles, and 40 steals in 45 attempts between the Midwest and California Leagues. He actually hit better at the higher level, posting a +18 percent OPS at Kane County but boosting that to +39 percent for Stockton. He followed that up with a .315/.413/.667, 11-homer performance in the Arizona Fall League. Desme has always had good tools. He has excellent power, and while his running speed is just average, he makes great use of it on the bases. His defense needs work, but his range and arm strength will work fine in right field with more experience. The main worry here is the very high strikeout rate, which could impact his hitting against better pitching. He nails most fastballs, but scouts worry that he'll struggle against pitchers who change speeds well at higher levels. Indeed, despite his ‘09 outburst scouts still have mixed opinions about him: some thing he can turn into a major league star, while others think he could just be a role player or even a Quadruple-A guy if the strikeouts eat him up too much. Obviously it is too soon to know; we need to see him in Double-A. I've liked Desme since college and tend to be optimistic about him. I think the power and speed will carry forward, but that his batting average and OBP are going to be erratic at higher levels. He could be the kind of guy who hits .300 one year, then .230 the next, providing good power and some speed even when his other numbers are struggling. Grade B.
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Congrats Grant
I admire a man that follows his heart, and isn’t motivated solely by money.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 3:00 PM EST reply actions
Then again I work in the non-profit sector
Which would explain why I work a second job to supplement my income. ;)
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is crap. How does it take "courage" exactly?
I don’t see, in any way at all, how society has anything to do with this. It takes courage to do something that basically has no negative effects? Yes, he’s forgoing millions of dollars, but he’s going into a profession where he’ll have a steady job pretty much forever.
Making a career choice that involves making less money doesn’t fit my definition of courage. At all.
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by thejd44 on Jan 22, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
weird
I’d say it takes a bit of courage to completely forgo a career that could provide fame and fortune that you’ve been working your whole life for to pursuing one that requires a completely different type of dedication, hard work, and demeanor. If being a pries is so easy, how come there aren’t more of them?
Well
While my stance towards Desme is “more power to him,” I don’t see how “courage” comes into play here. He’s just doing what makes him happy.
And there aren’t more priests because people like to get it on, not because they are afraid of the priesthood.
It takes balls to walk away from potentially millions of dollars
Also, he made this decision knowing that many were going to criticize him for his choice (just look at the threads to see all the haters).
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
On the other hand...
you could say he didn’t have the “balls” to try to succeed at baseball, and risk failure.
I’m not saying that’s the case at all, but I think “courage” doesn’t fit in here.
"balls" weren't the problem with Desme
“strikes” were the issue.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I don't think it takes balls to walk away from anything if you don't enjoy it
I guess I just don’t get it because I’m not a whore.
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by thejd44 on Jan 23, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
Courage:
the quality of mind or spirit that enables a person to face difficulty, danger, pain, etc., without fear; bravery.
Isn’t that exactly what he’s doing? Isn’t that what all priests do?
Are you kidding?
Not having sex, getting married, devoting your life to God, surrendering your will to the order, etc. All of these things are difficult. To say the vows they take are not difficult is beyond dense.
i disagree to an extent
I played some in college, and worked for a minor league team after college and it’s a world surrounded by, for a lack of better word, sin. If he is truly a religious person, I bet his decision wasn’t as hard as people are making it out to be, because the pro sports lifestyle puts your faith to a test every day. It’s not unusual for very religious athletes to not be accepted “in the clubhouse” because they are not “one of the boys” or whatever.
In a sense, it may be easier for him to persue the priest hood because he won’t have to deal w/ the drugs, women, and temptations on a day to day basis. I think the sex and marriage decision isn’t a huge factor because if he is a man of strong faith, he is probably already living that type of lifestyle. I said to somebody that he may end up doing a Tim Tebow type of thing and use baseball as his way to spread the word, but that situation takes a truly unique individual. . .
and no, I am not religious at all.
That's one way to look at it
sure if he’s convicted by his beliefs maybe it seems the easier route. But he’s basically foregoing any measure of “worldly” success in favor of what he feels to be a calling. In light of the fact that he is stepping away from potential millions, I would imagine that at some point maybe not this second) sticking to his calling will be very difficult.
Maybe courage isn’t the right word in a time of war, but he has made a difficult and altruistic decision that should be commended
not
everyone wants or needs to be a millionaire though. . .some people are content w/ getting by and prefer a simple lifestyle . . . the baseball lifestyle is a grind to say the least. How many pro baseball players have successful relationships
True,
not everyone wants or needs to be a millionaire. But if you told a person that they had the opportunity to be comfortable by the normal standards and held in high regard
or
you could be dirt poor but held in high regard, I’ll assume that most people will chose the comfortable lifestyle.
In full disclosure: I am in the clergy. It’s not an easy lifestyle and it’s a pretty big sacrifice even when you aren’t setting aside the potential for making a large ammount of money and success.
Fernando Tatis bought a new church with some of his millions
It’s certainly possible to put one at the service of the other.
meh
I guess. I suppose we are having a semantic disagreement.
For instance, I consider making the majors quite “difficult” in the sense that it requires an incredible amount of dedication and perseverance, and frankly I consider that much more difficult to achieve than being a priest, but I don’t consider making the bigs “courageous.”
Merely doing something that is hard doesn’t make one courageous, especially when you are doing the thing you want to do. That’s a pretty meaningless and watered down definition.
I know a lot of clergy, and I have many nice things to say about them, but “courageous” merely for being clergy is far down the list.
by aCone419 on Jan 22, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this thread blew u since i last saw it
i don’t know if any of you have families or parents or not, but all you detractors seem to be a bit narrow-minded.
I’ve only switched majors / career paths a couple times, and nothing nearly as big as going from baseball to priesthood, but did any of you consider the family responsibility aspect?
perhaps his family is well-off, so it would matter less, but i can only imagine what forgoing potentially millions to possibly having his family help him through school / becoming a priest / might entail.
it took a lot of courage to tell my parents i couldn’t stand being a biology/pre-med student anymore, that i literally hated every class i was in. and they didn’t understand for quite some time. it was especially hard because they were financially supporting me, and i would say it took me a good 4 months to build up the courage to tell them of my decision.
especially since i went into a much less financially-stable area of study.
i have no idea what that that title means
Anyway, that’s all hypothetical. If there was someone he was having to stand up to or if he was risking alienating his family or something, then I could better buy “courage.” But why would we just assume that?
Disagree
IMO some of the most corrupt people come from organized religion. I believe in God, but devoting one’s life to it seems a bit much. Coming from a non catholic background, but being forced to do religious things and go to church due to attending catholic schools. I should also add some priests live like millionaires at least the one’s at my schools previously. Privatechefs, cooked meals, dirving “donated” mercedes and bmw’s
Not really.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 22, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Corruption
is all over the place. You don’t have to look far to find corrupt people in anything. Saying the most corrupt come from one type of place is simply incorrect. Everywhere you want to look someone is trying to take advantage of someone else (within different businesses/industries, not saying everyone tries to take advantage of people, just people in all types of work are going to have people who abuse what they can).
by dougdirt on Jan 22, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or you could read what he wrote.
Saying the most corrupt come from one type of place is simply incorrect.
He said “SOME” of the most corrupt people come from organized religion. The distinction is very important.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 22, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Do they???
or is it just that they tend to get noticed more because they’re supposed to be free of such corruption?
Irrelevant.
The point is there are some members of organized religion who are terribly corrupt. Just as there are in all walks of life. Dogdirt’s comment made it seem as though MagicMike was saying all of the most corrupt werel members of organized religion. That wasn’t correct.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
not irrelevant, its true.
if a money-laundering guy from jersey is found to be corrupt, does it make as much of a ripple as a corrupt priest? of course not
It's not the point.
I’m not saying I don’t agree with you. The court of public opinion is not fair. Those who laud themselves to be of a higher moral standard and then contradict themselves through sinful behavior WILL get noticed more.
It’s just not relevant here. It doesn’t matter if it gets noticed more, there are still some very corrupt people in organized religion, some of the most corrupt in the world. Even if it wasn’t noticed more, there would still be some of the most corrupt people involved with a religious order.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
"there would still be some of the most corrupt people involved with a religious order."
sure, but that’s not because they are “religious”, its because of its importance/influence.
the most important/influential fields are where the most corrupt people seek to be. either for financial gain or social recognition.
Absolutely.
I’m not arguing against that either. I’m sure MagicMike would agree that corruption comes in all forms, religion-related or no. The only reason mentioning a religious organization is even relevant is the subject of the thread. Otherwise, it would have no place here and would smack of personal bias.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not having sex isn't difficult
I’ve been doing it all my life without even trying!
Eh, I couldn't disagree more.
I just don’t see how being dedicated to something (especially something you feel is your calling) is difficult, dangerous, or painful. It’s difficult for those WHO HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING IT!
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by thejd44 on Jan 23, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe this will help...
It isnt difficult to be dedicated to something that is your calling. However, what is difficult is when you make a choice(become a baseball player) and change your mind. It isnt hard for YOU, but the hard part is the crap you take from people who dont know you. Look here, there are over 125 comments about a guy who will be priest. And guess what, almost none of us have met him, and of the select few that have, it was most likely for an autograph instead of a conversation.
To be willing to leave a job that almost guarantees that you are a millionaire for a job that is for your pleasure is not easy. And it has nothing to do with being greedy for money. You must deal with the actual change, the media coverage(you know people will follow him around and ask why he became a priest) and the fans. That is the hard part and the part to take courage to be willing to deal with these annoyances and difficulties. I guarantee that next-to-no priest has had to deal with all that Desme will deal with…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 23, 2010 3:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
News makes me sad.
But cant blame the man for following what makes him the most happy.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
+1000000
I couldn’t agree more. He’s doing what he wants to do with his life. I wish him all of the luck in the world.
Now it feels funny that I compared his baseball skills to Josh Hamilton a few months ago
just because of the way he missed time, but didn’t seem to miss a beat on the ball-field. Tremendous natural ability and raw power with the stick
At least he seems to have (so far) avoided Hamilton's level of hypocrisy
Of course, now that I’ve said that, he’ll probably turn out to be involved in some fundraising scam 20 years from now.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
How is Hamilton a hypocrite?
He has constantly admitted his faults and states that he will always be an addict? For him turning to religion helped turn his life around. Personally I am not a religious person but if someone finds comfort in religion and it helps make them have a better person, then I obviously applaud their decision.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
What about them?
Hamilton has always claimed that he is human and makes mistakes. Falling off the wagon doesn’t mean he is a bad person or a hypocrite. Being honest about his mistakes and owning up to them to his minister and family is what helps keeps him grounded and try to stay clean and sober. Ask any alcoholic/addict and they will explain that it always one day at a time. It isn’t Hamilton’s fault that the media portrayed him as the saviour.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
Does he state in the book that he is beyond fault and that he will never again fall victim to substance abuse? Lets not act like religion has not helped him.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Helped his pocketbook no doubt.
I’m mainly kidding about him, but I just think he’s a bit trite. I get that he struggles with addiction. A lot of people do. A lot use religion to cope. I’m also a Rays fan, so…
I hear what you are saying...
But does anyone really think that he was better off before he found religion?
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
That was kind of my point. While not religious myself, if it helps somebody cope and brings peace to their life, who am I to judge.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think people have a problem with the proselytizing and then getting caught acting a drunk fool at a bar.
he's human
and he’s a fragile one at that.
just because one has a faith and tries to live it, does not mean he succeeds every day.
especially someone as weak-willed as he is.
I'll agree here, too.
We put way too high an expectation on people who say they’re “of faith”. Some of his critics, especially those of the Christian faith, should remember that whole bit about “being without sin” and throwing stones. I think someone important said that.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really think it's made him a better person
He’s the same douchebag he always was. He’s just making a lot more money now.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
Do you know him?
I love comments on this that are not based at all on fact. If anything people in baseball tend to say that he is a great guy and continues to turn his life around.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I assume, like a Torts professor, that he intends the natural and probable consequences of his actions
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
So you don't know him?
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not
How the hell would I know Josh Hamilton?
The notion that you have to know someone personally to have an opinion on their character is preposterous.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
I am not stating he is 'douchebag'
Also, numerous sources talk about he is a great guy who has worked hard to turn his life around. If you can give me a source who describes him today as being a ‘douchebag’ I would love to read it.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
And I don't know if he is a good guy or not....
but PT said “don’t really think it’s made him a better person He’s the same douchebag he always was. He’s just making a lot more money now.”
Obviously religion helped him overcome his demons and at least give him a fighting chance against his addictions. While I don’t practice organized religion myself, I also don’t judge those who it seems to benefit.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think the point is...
Obviously religion helped him overcome his demons and at least give him a fighting chance against his addictions.
…not really.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 22, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
And he has (allegedly) allowed the corruption to overtake him again.
The criticism is valid. If you change your life for the better, great. If you laud the motivation upon your faith, fine. But once you fall back off the wagon, what are you saying? Did your faith have nothing to do with you staying off, or did you shirk your faith when it suited you?
Either way it looks bad.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn't done heroin again
He was tested immediately after coming forward after that incident in the pictures.
And if a heroin addict is able to say sober for even a few years because of religion, then it pretty obviously helped him.
Wow, can't believe someone would give up millions of dollars
and fame and potentially fun time with sexy ladies just for God
what a tool
Who loves orange soda?
really?
a tool?
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
I'm impressed..
with his decision here and the courage it took to make it. I have no doubt it was a difficult one to make and he probably had pressure coming from different directions.
Regardless of our views on religion, you have to respect somebody who’s willing to give up something and walk a separate path to fulfill a calling/desire/etc for another career. Good for him!
If he wanted to get closer to Jesus . .
. . . he could of just demanded a trade to the Yankees.
+1
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
that is a human philosophy on how to live…not an example of God. This quote pertains only to human beings and our ability to perceive ourselves and how others perceive us.
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
Well...
John used it in reference to Desme and his choice…I’m pretty sure Desme is human, and that there was no claim to it as an example of God.
Besides, some people would say, there are no examples of God….and others…that we all are examples of God. The intent of any message matters little in the shadow of perception.
I hope he thought long and hard about.
Because that’s the last time he can think with things related to being long and hard. Hehe that’s all I have.
Anyway while I don’t have the slightest clue about religiousness or faith from a personal perspective. Desme is definitely taking a huge risk, if it were me I’d say trying to see how baseball goes and entering priesthood afterwards is definitely a lot more safer path but alas along as he is happy and has no regretful bone in his body, what can you say?
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risk
Yes, he’s taking a big risk. The more dangerous path. The one less travelled. That’s why I admire his courage
by John Sickels on Jan 22, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
The road less travelled
The most mis-read poem of the last 100 years. But anyway, obviously, props to the guy. Takes cajones.
I'm sure...
you knew him well enough to validate that hatred.
by BobbyS on Jan 22, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that's the silliest statement I've read all day
Okay, after “the cat went woopity doopity down the driveway wearing a beret.”
That was the most silly.
You read that today?
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
No
Link?
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
and priests apparantley
What’s there to hate about a long dead poet? Especially in today’s world, it’s pretty easy to avoid poetry.
I don't hate HIM, but his poetry.
And it’s really not that easy to avoid it when you spent 4 years of undergrad in an English program, 2 years in a Master’s Writing program, and now grade college-level papers to pay the bills.
Also, I don’t hate priests. I just hate when people assign false attributes to things. Being a priest is not anymore courageous for somebody who wants to do it than being a pro baseball player is for somebody who wants to do that. They’d both be incredibly difficult for most of us (for different reasons, of course), but that doesn’t make it especially admirable.
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by thejd44 on Jan 23, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
Why?
Is he an overrated A’s prospect who’s retiring too?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jan 22, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
I wish him nothing but the best of luck in his chosen profession.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jan 22, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions
Everyone who "can't believe this" is missing one major point,,,
if he was willing to give up baseball for the priesthood, he likely isn’t sacrificing a pro career. If his heart wasn’t full into playing baseball, and I would venture to say that it wasn’t, it would have been awfully hard to make millions in the MLB.
I am atheist, but if this is what will make him happy, then more power to him. I just hope he knows that he has a very small window to change his mind. You can become a priest anytime in your life, but the window to be a professional athlete is not nearly as large. I wish him the best, and thank him for not being another celebrity who uses their stardom to preach about their beliefs.
Adam Dunn: Proof that even sabermetrics doesn't have it right.
Then he should sacrifice his signing bonus
That seems like a fair trade off. A’s stuck by him for 2 injury prone seasons.
+1M
Should every other bust prospect give back his bonus?
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by Kinslerhomer on Jan 22, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
False
Its not like he left due to injury or poor performance. This is a business, the A’s didnt have to risk a significant amount of money and expect him to leave 3 seasons later.
Just curious, if justin smoak did the same thing, how would you feel as a rangers fan?
Oh please, i'm just viewing this from a baseball perspective
I dont need your Mr. Morality opinions
Viewing his life decisions based on how it could effect your team?
Sorry if I find your act to be a bit petty.
Yes, viewing his individual life choice based on how it affects a team and organization of hundreds (players, coaches, etc)
Is a pragmatic way to look at this. You know what we call it when someone puts their best interests ahead of other’s he/she has made a commitment to? Selfishness
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
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by Mets2k9 on Jan 22, 2010 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I did...
..wonder what happens financially.
Didn’t Ricky Williams lose some of his bonus money after retiring. Yes, different sport, different contracts/unions/etc….
I just didn’t know how it worked…if it’s a broken contract and he had to give some back or if it’s just a clean break.
You make a good point
I wouldn’t want him on my team if his heart weren’t fully in it. But it looks like his heart is in his religious beliefs, so on that note, I wish him the best and hopes he makes the best out of it.
by sf drift king on Jan 22, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't being really religious one of the reasons they put a Milo on a kid in Moneyball?
I mean, if he’s in it for faith and service to the world and community around him, it’s a nice thing to see a guy do… but could they have seen a chance of this coming?
Given the roots of many MLB hot spots and the general inherent risk in prospecting
I would consider that to be a lesser risk, if any. Besides, in most cases that could work in the team’s favor- he probably wouldn’t go Jeremy Jeffress or something if he’s really religious.
Which makes me think, for any saying he should give his bonus back, what about a guy like Matt Bush or Jeremy Jeffress?
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 22, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Or Ryan Jaroncyk
Substance abuse isn’t as bad as just quitting baseball because you don’t want to play it any more after being drafted high and paid accordingly.
I'd say it's considerably worse
After, you know, hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of dollars from your team to inject yourself or light up and squander opportunities for other deserving, hard working players because you’d rather deny yourself and others than be honest with your employer and co-workers and work hard at doing something positive for yourself and others.
That’s some backwards ass logic you’ve got there, buddy. It isn’t like he just went, “Ah, screw it, I’ve got my paycheck,” he’s actually going out there to do something he really, truly wants to do. You don’t know why he’s going this way and neither do I. But I can tell you this: he does not owe the A’s and their fans anything other than honesty, and he’s given them that because he felt he couldn’t give them his full effort. That’s more than a lot of people in general can say.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 22, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't talking about Desme
I was talking about Jaroncyk, who just didn’t feel like playing any more. Desme felt less like playing than like being a servant to his faith. Very different.
A couple of chapters later, they're trading for Chad Bradford
And Lewis talks a lot about how religious he is. I don’t think that just being religious is/was enough to keep the A’s from going after a guy.
courage
I think Desme is courageous BECAUSE he is doing what his heart is telling him to do.
In my experience, following your heart and your dreams is much more diifficult and challenging than following your logic, especially when money is involved.
very true
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
In my experience, following your heart and your dreams is much more diifficult and challenging than following your logic, especially when money is involved.
well said…
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
Disagree
If this were, say, a prospect leaving baseball to pursue his dream of becoming an investment banker, nobody would be having this conversation. But because he’s leaving the game to follow his dream of becoming a priest, we’re supposed to ascribe some sort of higher moral resolution to him?
In the end it’s someone leaving a job to follow what they ultimately want to do. If that’s the case, then there are a lot of corageous people in the world. And I don’t mean that as a snarky comment.
A priest is ultimately a job.
He didn’t exactly join the circus, either. He has the opportunity to help people in a lot of ways similar to or more important than he could have done with baseball.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 22, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yet maybe he always really wanted to be...a lion tamer!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
WOw Iam impressed by Grant Desme
I really admire him now even more than I did before….
Wish he were still a Prospect for the A’s at the same time as a young priest.
How do I tell my kid brother about Desmond Jennings? (he loves the Rays)
"He's a cross between Carl Crawford and Justin Upton with B.J. Upton's upside"
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 22, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions
Wasn't there a DiMaggio brother that was a priest?
I seem to remember a story or something about one of the great old timey ballplayers (I think it was one of the ballplaying families too) who’s Mother would always gush to the neighbors about her kid the priest but not the great ballplayers. Could be from a book or movie as well, I guess.
It takes some balls to leave
this game, especially when he seemed to have serious talent, for something he truly believed in. To leave millions of dollars for your personal beliefs doesnt happen often.
His team must be pretty pissed though because he sounded like a good prospect.
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Jan 22, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions
lots of people at AN were
until it was found that he wrote papers on why homosexuality is wrong (part of catholicism i guess), and then people changed their opinion and said good riddance and that they would have felt wrong rooting for him.
seemed strange, considering i’m sure there are hundreds of players out there who feel the same way as desme…people just don’t know it yet. paul thomas made an interesting point that he doesn’t want to know anything about the player, because he might hold them in less regard.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
i know i may be in a small minority here
But I don’t think what he is doing takes courage. Desme signed a contract with the Athletics. Accepted a good amount of money from them. Insodoing, he essentially committed his services to them throughout the duration of a contract. I am aware retirement is a part of sports, but this is clearly not a run of the mill retirement. in the most basic sense, Desme is going back on his word because he now has a desire to pursue a different career. I know that because his new vocation is as a priest, we are all expected automatically focus on the good that he will do. But Desme is also letting down a tremendous fanbase and all of those who have helped him reach this point in his baseball career. I am not trying to belittle any religious worker, but I think that some of the hyperbole such as calling Desme courageous is slightly silly. He’s pursuing what he feels is right, and very well may help people. But he is also letting down a large number of individuals in the process
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
by Mets2k9 on Jan 22, 2010 6:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't think he cares
what baseball fans think. The A’s gave him a great opportunity, but he is still young and has the right to choose his life for the next 20 years. I think its silly to believe you have to do something for 20 years because you don’t want to let others down.
I think this is strictly his decision. As an A’s fan, I would want someone playing for the team that wanted to play for the team. Not someone who feels strapped to it and I think that’s what Grant felt.
hardly
Players retire from professional baseball all the time for lots of different reasons. When somebody signs a contract, it’s not a lifelong pact signed in blood.
This isn’t a discussion about God, or who/what gives Desme the ability to play a game better than the vast majority of people oon this planet. It isn’t even a discussion about whether or not his decision is “courageous” – each person has their own individual notion of what constitutes being courageous, and I’m not about to presume that I know what courage is to Grant Desme.
So what is this a discussion about? It’s about a guy simply doing what he wants to do with his life. We all only have so much time and we should all want to be able to do the things that we want to do the most as much as possible and for as long as possible. And when you aren’t living that way, and you’re trying to act like the life that you ARE living is what you really want, despite your inner desires. . .well, it’s hard enough to live in a fiction, but harder yet when that fiction is of your own making.
I for one applaud Grant Desme for his decision and wish him only the greatest of success on his new journey. I can say that no matter how his baseball career would have turned out, he is already more inspirational to me than he could ever be as a ballplayer.
So
If you were working a job and your boss gave you a good salary, would you not be able to quit because you would be letting everyone down? People quit their jobs all the time. Just because this is baseball doesn’t mean you are held to some kind of higher standard. You get paid to do a job, not to be put on a pedestal and held to some higher standard.
Also, please don’t take this as me attacking you personally. I’m just saying this in regards to everyone who has a problem with his decision. I do believe that he should have to give back a portion of his salary just like any other profession would require.
by The Gottfather on Jan 22, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
If I signed a contract, yes
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
god gave him baseball skill
tim lincecum
The Hochevar Principle: The future comes to all teams. Some teams wait for it. Those teams finish in last place a lot. -Joe Posnanski
no
his genetics and practicing baseball gave him his baseball skill…
"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...
I'm agnostic... but I think we need to shy away from actual religious commentary.
It wont end well.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 22, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
desme
He is joining St. Michael’s Abbey in California
http://www.abbeynews.net/Abbey-Home.html
Ten year process to become a full member. He’s becoming a monk it sounds like, not “just” a priest.
Although I am not Catholic, monasticism and mysticism is a long-standing interest of mine. It sounds like Desme has some very interesting experiences ahead of him.
Its admirable
The path of LEAST resistance is to try to become a major league baseball player. I think I can best compare his situation in a way to Pat Tillman’s.
The easy way out is to take the money and run. Guys do it all the time, and plenty of them don’t even like the sport they excel in.
But Desme (and Tillman before him) gave that up to pursue what is in their hearts.
Far too many people talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.
I don’t really care what his beliefs are or aren’t for that matter.
I know if I were given the decision, I would’ve taken the path of least resistance (and the most money) to be sure.
2010 Tigers deadweight contracts coming off the books:
Maggs (18M)
Willis (12M)
Bonderman (12.5M)
Robertson (10M)
Inge (6.6M)
2011 is the year of the Tiger!
tillman
I think what Tillman did took a lot more courage but I agree. Desme is obviously does not think like an ordinary 23 yo or the vast majority of men. You can tell by some of the reactions around here. People may think he is stupid for giving millions of dollars and a comfortable lifestyle but really, money isn’t everything. The more you have, the more you want that is human nature.
I really respect what he is doing and wish him good luck. I’m sure he will become a fabulous priest.
Absolutely
I wasn’t trying to say my comparison was an exact or perfect one. Obviously Tillman put himself into the line of fire, and paid the ultimate price.
But in a society where most people (including myself) value their possessions, these guys followed their hearts and their beliefs, instead of their wallets.
2010 Tigers deadweight contracts coming off the books:
Maggs (18M)
Willis (12M)
Bonderman (12.5M)
Robertson (10M)
Inge (6.6M)
2011 is the year of the Tiger!
by sportznut3081 on Jan 23, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely courageous
As someone who attends Mass several times per week and prays each time for more qualified people to choose the priesthood, let me say that I’m so glad Desme heeded the call.
A priest has the opportunity to change lives in ways a baseball player cannot.
I praise him for making what had to be a difficult decision — to stand up against a largely secular society that values possessions far too highly and choose this path.
Gotta go. My 2010 Maxima with custom Blaupunkt audio system awaits …
"Most overrated prospect in the minors." -- Bravesin07 on Madison Bumgarner
by criminal type on Jan 22, 2010 9:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting from Moneyball
The Athletics draft board was a large magnetic board with hundreds of names attached. When researching the backgrounds of these players, Beane would find psychological red flags. Some had histories of problems with drugs or the law. Some had “all Fs” in college. Some were “god-squadders”, people excessively preoccupied with religion. Some players were revealed to have zero scores in ambition or competitiveness on the primitive psych metrics the A’s used.
Whenever Beane heard something that disturbed him, he said, “Put a Milo on him.”
At that moment, a magnetic sticker with a picture of ex-Athletics employee Milo was placed next to that player’s name on the board. No matter what the player’s talent, that player was immediately removed from consideration. For a young player hoping to become a pro, to have a Milo put on you was a potential death sentence from the Athletics. Instead of 30 teams looking to sign you, there would now be 29.
Beane’s reasoning was that small, weak franchises could not afford to have the development of players derailed by outside issues. With only so much money to spend, the Athletics had no time to invest in psychological or behavior correction – the choices of the Athletics had to pay off immediately. A club like the Yankees could afford to spend the money or wait for someone to get their head sorted out, but not the A’s.
http://atlantadreamblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/put-milo-on-her.html
Question
Maybe an A’s fan can help me out here: Have the A’s decided to up their draft budget in recent years?
I was curious since they have recently been tossing money away at declining vets such as Crisp, Giambi, Nomar, etc. It would seem to make more sense to take that money and put it towards acquiring young guys and taking more chances.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 22, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they pretty much never broke slot in the draft until 2008
Since then, they’ve done it to sign Brett Hunter, Rashun Dixon, Dustin Coleman, Nino Leyja, Max Stassi, and Ian Krol (at least— that’s off the top of my head).
They’ve also signed the three (four? don’t remember where Arnold Leon’s stacked up) highest paid IFAs in franchise history during the period from December 2007 to July 2009.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
My main reaction to the news:
Great — the A’s are better at developing priests than shortstops.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
So you're telling me that the A's traded Desme to the Padres?
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST reply actions
No, His prospect status was upped to Heavenly.
by Mistermidgetman on Jan 22, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm suddenly reminded of "The First Baseball Game" by Dan St. Paul
For those who haven’t heard it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEK_FtMD2QQ
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Pulled a hamstring
pulled it right off
Great piece by Dan St. Paul, I loved that one for years.
RIP Nick Adenhart
huh?
I have a lot more respect for this than I do for people who thank God for helping them make the touchdown or win the big game
why? why would you even correlate the two?
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
Seriously?
Every jackass player can thank God for helping them on the field. It’s the select few that actually devote themselves to God.
by carverslacker on Jan 23, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
My favorite
I love when a gangster rapper who has been convicted of 18 gun related offenses thanks god for winning an award.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 23, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
tell that to kurt warner/tim tebow
/ducks lightning bolt
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
yeah seriously
why take a shot at those players even? it’s not like those players are the story here…Grant Desme is…
"Clearly, I've been wrong. VY is awesome." - AJM
forgive me if this is an awful joke
but apparently one of the qualifications for priesthood is :
“Good physical health. The priest must be in good physical condition in order to carry out his work. Those who suffer from chronic illnesses or who are handicapped cannot enter the priesthood.”
Does his injury history not preclude him from joining the priesthood?
smooth
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
If I were his priest
I would tell him, unless it makes you miserable, play baseball. God gave you rare 40/40 talent. Play baseball, make millions, give it to the church. In the off season you can give millions in relief to the people of Haiti, etc., like Robert Clemente died flying to bring relief to Nicaraguan earthquake victims. Then be a priest.
But if he was really unhappy and this is following his bliss, more power to him.
Skills don't always match up with Wants
I have a red-hot hate for the pressure society puts on people. No one can know a person’s heart. I think most of the stress in a person’s world comes from the friction between doing what is in a person’s heart and what society expects. Obviously, society puts a value on everything. And when people do what is expected of them, they are valued more greatly than when they do something that is against expectations. Some people look at a person’s bankbook value and say: ha, you are a sap because you work on solving the homeless problem in your community, or you operate an animal shelter or you create topographical maps of Star War planets. Society thinks you are worth less because what you do is valued less. People start to believe this stuff and then they start to lay on the guilt to people that fit into the lower range of societal value. I call it the free market of guilt.
The emphasis on MBAs over Liberal Arts degrees is a terrible symptom of this.
by slacker george on Jan 23, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
I am not suggesting
that he give up his dreams for money. Give the money away. Build shelters for the homeless. It wouldn’t make him a sap. I don’t think someone who has taken a vow of poverty has less value than a baseball player. I am saying he can do a lot to serve his faith as a ballplayer and do both things, ultimately, if not simultaneously. If he is unhappy as a ballplayer, or truly blissful about the priesthood (then why did he play pro ball at all), by all means. This is merely advice from someone who doesn’t know him, not social pressure, but I think some priests would advise the same.
Sometimes people, often young people, make decisions like this, upon long consideration or in a flash, and regret them. Many people fail out of seminary, or from the ministry, or even lose faith, but perhaps because they too felt some pressure to join.
Slippery slope.
Devote your life to the cloth or become an icon, which may draw worship away from the lord.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
By Dan Barker
Dear Believer,
You asked me to consider Christianity as the answer for my life. I have done that. I consider it untrue, repugnant, and harmful.
You expect me to believe Jesus was born of a virgin impregnated by a ghost? Do you believe all the crazy tales of ancient religions? Julius Caesar was reportedly born of a virgin; Roman historian Seutonius said Augustus bodily rose to heaven when he died; and Buddha was supposedly born speaking. You don’t believe all that, do you? Why do you expect me to swallow the fables of Christianity?
I find it incredible that you ask me to believe that the earth was created in six literal days; women come from a man’s rib; a snake, a donkey, and a burning bush spoke human language; the entire world was flooded, covering the mountains to drown evil; all animal species, millions of them, rode on one boat; language variations stem from the tower of Babel; Moses had a magic wand; the Nile turned to blood; a stick turned into a snake; witches, wizards, and sorcerers really exist; food rained from the sky for 40 years; people were cured by the sight of a brass serpent; the sun stood still to help Joshua win a battle, and it went backward for King Hezekiah; men survived unaided in a fiery furnace; a detached hand floated in the air and wrote on a wall; men followed a star which directed them to a particular house; Jesus walked on water unaided; fish and bread magically multiplied to feed the hungry; water instantly turned into wine; mental illness is caused by demons; a "devil" with wings exists who causes evil; people were healed by stepping into a pool agitated by angels; disembodied voiced spoke from the sky; Jesus vanished and later materialized from thin air; people were healed by Peter’s shadow; angels broke people out of jail; a fiery lake of eternal torment awaits unbelievers under the earth … while there is life-after-death in a city which is 1,500 miles cubed, with mansions and food, for Christians only.
If you believe these stories, then you are the one with the problem, not me. These myths violate natural law, contradict science, and fail to correspond with reality or logic. If you can’t see that, then you can’t separate truth from fantasy. It doesn’t matter how many people accept delusions inflicted by "holy" men; a widely held lie is still a lie. If you are so gullible, then you are like the child who believes the older brother who says there is a monster in the hallway. But there is nothing to be afraid of; go turn on the light and look for yourself.
If Christianity were simply untrue I would not be too concerned. Santa is untrue, but it is a harmless myth which people outgrow. But Christianity, besides being false, is also abhorrent. It amazes me that you claim to love the god of the bible, a hateful, arrogant, sexist, cruel being who can’t tolerate criticism. I would not want to live in the same neighborhood with such a creature!
The biblical god is a macho male warrior. Though he said "Thou shalt not kill," he ordered death for all opposition, wholesale drowning and mass exterminations; punishes offspring to the fourth generation (Ex. 20:5); ordered pregnant women and children to be ripped up (Hos. 13:16); demands animal and human blood to appease his angry vanity; is partial to one race of people; judges women to be inferior to men; is a sadist who created a hell to torture unbelievers; created evil (Is. 45:7); discriminated against the handicapped (Lev. 21:18-23); ordered virgins to be kept as spoils of war (Num. 31:15-18, Deut. 21:11-14); spread dung on people’s faces (Mal. 2:3); sent bears to devour 42 children who teased a prophet (II Kings 2:23-24); punishes people with snakes, dogs, dragons, drunkenness, swords, arrows, axes, fire, famine, and infanticide; and said fathers should eat their sons (Ez. 5:10). Is that nice? Would you want to live next door to such a person?
And Jesus is a chip off the old block. He said, "I and my father are one," and he upheld "every jot and tittle" of the Old Testament law. Mt. 5:18 He preached the same old judgment: vengeance and death, wrath and distress, hell and torture for all nonconformists. He believed in demons, angels and spirits. He never denounced the subjugation of slaves or women. Women were excluded as disciples and as guests at his heavenly table. Except for hell he introduced nothing new to ethics or philosophy. He was disrespectful of his mother and brothers; he said we should hate our parents and desert our families. Mt. 10:35-36, Lk. 14:26 (So much for "Christian family life.") He denounced anger, but was often angry himself. Mt. 5:22, Mk. 3:5 He called people "fools" (Mt. 23:17,19), "serpents," and "white sepulchers," though he warned that such language puts you in danger of hellfire. Mt. 5:22 He said "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword." Mt. 10:34 (So much for "Peace on Earth.") He irrationally cursed and withered a fig tree for being barren out of season. Mt. 21:19 He mandated burning unbelievers. Jn. 15:6 (The Church has complied with relish.) He stole a horse. Lk. 19:30-33 He told people to cut off hands, feet, eyes and sexual organs. Mt. 5:29-30, 19:12 You want me to accept Jesus, but I think I’ll pick my own friend, thank you.
One of Jesus’s many contradictions was saying good works should be seen, and not seen. Mt. 5:16, 6:1-4 One of his mistakes was saying that the mustard plant has the smallest seed. Mt. 13:31-32 The writers of Matthew and Luke could not even get his genealogy straight, contradicting the Old Testament, and giving Jesus two discrepant lines through Joseph, his non-father!
I also find Christianity to be morally repugnant. The concepts of original sin, depravity, substitutionary forgiveness, intolerance, eternal punishment, and humble worship are all beneath the dignity of intelligent human beings and conflict with the values of kindness and reason. They are barbaric ideas for primitive cultures cowering in fear and ignorance.
Finally, Christianity is harmful. More people have been killed in the name of a god than for any other reason. The Church has a shameful, bloody history of Crusades, Inquisitions, witch-burnings, heresy trials, American colonial intolerance, disrespect of indigenous traditions (such as American Indians), support of slavery, and oppression of women. Modern "fruits" of religion include the Jonestown massacre, the callous fraud of "faith healers," recent wars and ethnic cleansing, and fighting in Northern Ireland. Religion also poses a danger to mental health, damaging self-respect, personal responsibility, and clarity of thought.
Do you see why I do not respect the biblical message? It is an insulting bag of nonsense. You have every right to torment yourself with such insanity — but leave me out of it. I have better things to do with my life.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. George Carlin
What does this have to do with baseball?
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 23, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Baseball
Not much, but this thread is about a baseball player becoming a priest. My post has a lot to do with becoming a priest.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. George Carlin
No it isn't....
Your post is designed to start a flame war, and is anti-chistianity (which Ido not practice). I won’t participate anymore in this nonsense as this obviously has no place on this site.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 23, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Flame War
I’m not trying to start a flame war. I posted something written by a former preacher that is very poignant and related to the topic at hand.
Can’t I say that Grant Desme is mentally ill without starting a flame war? Is relgion that sacred in your country?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. George Carlin
Not at all....
Personally I am not religious and have never been to church in a Sunday in my life.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 23, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Going To Church
OK. That is your choice.
Yes I can say that he is mentally ill, because by most definitions of mental illness in our society he is.
Read what Dan Barker wrote again. Is believing in that nonsense not mental illness?
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. George Carlin
History is a bummer
Applying 20th and 21st century notions of authenticity (most derived from the fetishizing of science and progress, which pride themselves on being authenticated not by humans but by instruments and machines) to undercut the veracity of ancient, mostly orally derived, texts is not exactly the most insightful practice.
To read with such literalism, either in favor or against biblical texts, is to become blinded by contemporary norms and ignore centuries of interpretive practice (for instance, medieval practice read the New Testament in a four-fold manner: how the gospels explained the life of Christ, how they do or do not correspond with prophecies in the Old Testament, how they project and educate the individual in his or her spiritual life (taking the life of Christ as a kind of allegory), and how they also map and prophecy the spiritual life of all of mankind (again as allegory)).
I don’t go to church either, but I’m also in favor of reading with some kind of adult sophistication. Dan Barker’s letter is the intellectual equivalent of some college sophomore saying God doesn’t exist because he can’t make a rock he can’t lift. It’s replacing a childish, mindless belief with an adolescent, almost-equally mindless skepticism.
Adult Sophistication
What the hell is interpretive practice?
Please explain that to me.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. George Carlin
It’s how you interpret what you read; what you get out of it. A feminist interpretation will look at a book primarily for clues to gender & power issues. Everyone has an interpretative bias, whether they are aware of it or not.
To come to a book like the Bible, written by multiple authors over multiple centuries, to address a variety of situations and problems, and look for logical and chronological mistakes — well, maybe a five year old would be surprised to find such logical and chronological inconsistencies.
It’d be like reading Faulkner just to find the racist parts; sure, you’ll find what you’re looking for, but you’ll also end up missing 99% of what’s going on. For me, to dismiss something like the Bible or Faulkner because it doesn’t stack up to a preconceived, narrow bias is a pretty good example of intellectual immaturity.
yikes
Congratulations, I can barely make any sense of this. If people ever wanted a one paragraph explanation of why academia is going down the metaphorical tubes, they just got one right here.
there are three paragraphs there, actually
But I suppose that doesn’t matter to a straight-shootin’, common sense spoutin’ son of a gun.
“If you believe these stories, then you are the one with the problem, not me. These myths violate natural law, contradict science, and fail to correspond with reality or logic. If you can’t see that, then you can’t separate truth from fantasy. It doesn’t matter how many people accept delusions inflicted by “holy” men; a widely held lie is still a lie. If you are so gullible, then you are like the child who believes the older brother who says there is a monster in the hallway. But there is nothing to be afraid of; go turn on the light and look for yourself."
I love how his proof that there is no God requires you to assume that there is no God.
One who believes in the miracles assumes that God has the power to override natural law. So, proving that miracles go against natural law does nothing.
See.... this is exactly what I warned people about up above.
Turning this into a pissing contest of religious zealot vs. atheist zealot is going to end badly. Stop this now before it gets worse.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Glad you posted this
I read this last month, like I do every year, just because it is the Wall Street Journal xmas editorial. I’m a lapsed episcopalian, but just from a sociological or historical sense I think you are piling on one side of the ledger. This piece isn’t directly to your points, but in any event it immediately came back to my mind seeing your post, just because to me it is well-written (and bearing in mind it is written relatively soon after WWII.
In Hoc Anno Domini
Vermont Royster’s annual Christmas message.
Tuesday, December 25, 2007 12:01 A.M. EST
This editorial was written in 1949 by the late Vermont Royster and has been published annually since.
When Saul of Tarsus set out on his journey to Damascus the whole of the known world lay in bondage. There was one state, and it was Rome. There was one master for it all, and he was Tiberius Caesar.
Everywhere there was civil order, for the arm of the Roman law was long. Everywhere there was stability, in government and in society, for the centurions saw that it was so.
But everywhere there was something else, too. There was oppression—for those who were not the friends of Tiberius Caesar. There was the tax gatherer to take the grain from the fields and the flax from the spindle to feed the legions or to fill the hungry treasury from which divine Caesar gave largess to the people. There was the impressor to find recruits for the circuses. There were executioners to quiet those whom the Emperor proscribed. What was a man for but to serve Caesar?
There was the persecution of men who dared think differently, who heard strange voices or read strange manuscripts. There was enslavement of men whose tribes came not from Rome, disdain for those who did not have the familiar visage. And most of all, there was everywhere a contempt for human life. What, to the strong, was one man more or less in a crowded world?
Then, of a sudden, there was a light in the world, and a man from Galilee saying, Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s.
And the voice from Galilee, which would defy Caesar, offered a new Kingdom in which each man could walk upright and bow to none but his God. Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. And he sent this gospel of the Kingdom of Man into the uttermost ends of the earth.
So the light came into the world and the men who lived in darkness were afraid, and they tried to lower a curtain so that man would still believe salvation lay with the leaders.
But it came to pass for a while in divers places that the truth did set man free, although the men of darkness were offended and they tried to put out the light. The voice said, Haste ye. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness come upon you, for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
Along the road to Damascus the light shone brightly. But afterward Paul of Tarsus, too, was sore afraid. He feared that other Caesars, other prophets, might one day persuade men that man was nothing save a servant unto them, that men might yield up their birthright from God for pottage and walk no more in freedom.
Then might it come to pass that darkness would settle again over the lands and there would be a burning of books and men would think only of what they should eat and what they should wear, and would give heed only to new Caesars and to false prophets. Then might it come to pass that men would not look upward to see even a winter’s star in the East, and once more, there would be no light at all in the darkness.
And so Paul, the apostle of the Son of Man, spoke to his brethren, the Galatians, the words he would have us remember afterward in each of the years of his Lord:
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
I’m not a religious person at all. In fact, I’m quite the opposite. Still I respect anyone who does what he wants to do instead of what is expected of him.
Respect
Really? I don’t agree. I feel sorry for that person. Mental illness sucks even if it is “accepted” by main stream N. American society.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. George Carlin
Just main stream N America?
You do realize that the vast majority of civilizations are/were built on some type of faith based religion? No, the majority doesn’t make it right…but hey…if that many people are ‘mentally ill’!!!!
This era basically allows anything to be a mental illness or disease of some sort. I would guess plenty of faith based people would feel sorry for you, and i would imagine that puts no weight on your shoulders, as your opinion shouldn’t on theirs.
Besides, the problem is when people cut down others for their beliefs or lack thereof. You don’t want to believe in any sort of religion, so be it. I can’t say you’re wrong, and I can’t say you’re right.
Perhaps
you are mentally ill?
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Jan 23, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
the priesthood isn't going anywhere
I don’t know why he is in a rush to become a priest, your baseball skills have an expiry date on them, they wont be around forward. A capacity to learn Christianity and become a priest, I argue, will always be around.
Life has an expiry date.....
Lets be honest people, life is short. Many of us have already had to examine our own mortality and have come to the realization that following your heart in life is a lot more important then doing what is expected of us.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Jan 23, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is a projection envy on our parts.
We’d all love to be Grant Desme. Talented baseball prospect playing a game we all love. We all want to be where he is. For this to happen now just is ludicrous to us.
People will get over it once the shock wears off and they start thinking rationally. Frankly, I don’t care either way what Grant Desme does. If he wants to become a priest, that’s his right and freedom to do It messes over an AL West rival, so I’m fine with it. =D
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Someone on a BP thread got it beautifully
“Oakland Athletics trade Grant Desme to God for future considerations.
When looked at this way, you gotta like this deal. A new stadium? Or perhaps all their runners just touch home."
I have no clue......
Why so many feel the need to talk about their beliefs here in this thread. Your beliefs have absolutely NOTHING to do with this very subject of a man choosing one profession over another. People do it all the time. Noone cares what YOU believe in or don’t believe in. That is not the subject at hand here.
A man chose to give up fame and fortune for something he wants to do. Whether you agree or not should have nothing to do with your faith or lack there of.
2010 Tigers deadweight contracts coming off the books:
Maggs (18M)
Willis (12M)
Bonderman (12.5M)
Robertson (10M)
Inge (6.6M)
2011 is the year of the Tiger!
If you're replying to John, kindly remember whose blog this is.
He can write whatever he wants.
If this was a reply fail to GregJP well then carry on.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 23, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not replying to anyone in particular
Except those who feel the need to tell me what THEIR beliefs are. Grant made a decision to follow his dreams. I really don’t care what everyone’s beliefs are. They are irrelevant to this conversation.
Not everyone gets to follow their dreams. Too many are pressured to do things they do not desire to do.
2010 Tigers deadweight contracts coming off the books:
Maggs (18M)
Willis (12M)
Bonderman (12.5M)
Robertson (10M)
Inge (6.6M)
2011 is the year of the Tiger!
by sportznut3081 on Jan 23, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
thread
I was wondering where this thread would go, considering how touchy a subject religion always is.
I am going to let it run awhile longer then shut the comments down.
Bummer
Conan told me last night to avoid being cynical.
I’ll let that be my theme here: Believe in something and love it.
Desme followed his belief, stayed true to what he believes is his destiny. That is to be commended.
"Most overrated prospect in the minors." -- Bravesin07 on Madison Bumgarner

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