Where is Jhoulys Chacin in your pitcher rankings?

by soccerman0 on Sep 9, 2009 4:23 PM EDT Comment 15 comments

Chacin returned to starting in AAA at the end of the MilB season after a short cup of coffee in the Rockies bullpen. He did not surpass the IP mark, and thus is still considered a prospect. He showcased electric stuff (including a fastball that was better than advertised), but a lack of polish in the majors. He was listed as the 46th best prospect in the league by BA last year with the following pitchers ahead of him: David Price (no longer a prospect), Tommy Hanson (no longer a prospect), Brett Anderson (no longer a prospect), Madison Bumgarner, Neftali Feliz, Trevor Cahill (no longer a prospect), Rick Porcello (no longer a prospect), Chris Tillman (might still be a prospect), Brian Matusz (might still be a prospect), Jarrod Parker (stock dropping due to injury concerns), Derek Holland (no longer a prospect), Jordan Zimmermann (no longer a prospect), and Tim Alderson.

Where do you see Chacin now in terms of the pitching hiearchy in baseball today?

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Behind pretty much all of them

He isn’t in the same class as Price, Hanson, Anderson, Feliz, Porcello, or Tillman IMO.

I would take Cahill, Holland, and Matusz ahead of him as well.

If Bumgarner gets to throwing 93 he is easily better. And if Paker and Zimmerman can get back healthy they are better.

The only one ont hat list I take him over is Alderson.

by nyy601 on Sep 9, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Against other prospects

I am guessing he wants to know where he ranks compared to the current crop of prospects, not the guys who have graduated. That would leave possibly Tillman Feliz and matusz, as well as Bumgarner, Parker and Alderson from last year’s list, and anyone else who may now be among the top prospects.

I think he is behind Tillman, Feliz, Matusz, and Bumgarner. May be ahead of Parker. Ahead of Alderson, although Chacin seemed to get some command issues after his major elague stint, and Alderson has him on that score, but not the velocity, grounders and Ks.

Others who may have moved ahead of him: Lyles and Matt Moore, although they may still be too far back. Mejia. Martin Perez. If Niese is still considered a prospect maybe him, but I would likely still go with Chacin. Strasburg if he counts. Hector Rondon. Kyle Drabek maybe.

I’d rank Chacin ahead of Knapp at this point, Barnese, Holt. I know I am missing some top guys here. I’d rank him ahead of Bowden if he still has prospect status.

by wobatus on Sep 10, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

for example

He didn’t make KBR or Dewey’s top 10, with the guys I mentioned plus Friedrich, Kelly, cashner and Wade davis (the biggest guy I guess I glossed over) on one or the other of their lists. Which isn’t the gospel but gives you soem idea of what the community may think of Chacin. I’d have to check the responses to that thread to see if others protested the fact he didn’t make either list (unless I missed him). He is probably somewhere between 10-20, 15ish or so, fairly or unfairly.

by wobatus on Sep 10, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and Hellickson

Daniel Hudson. Some people had Chacin in their top 10 (Hoffman and Red Sox Faithful), but therev were a few top 10s listed where he didn’t make it.

My own opinion is, I want to wait before forming my opinion, since I haven’t really looked at all the data for all of these guys. I’d have him ahead of matt Moore still, to pick someone whose stats I have looked at recently, because Moore is back in low A and has some walk issues, great arm and all.

by wobatus on Sep 10, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He didn't make the lists because....

He had already been called up the to the majors…As stated before each list, any prospect that had seen major league time already wasn’t a part of the lists..

by soccerman0 on Sep 10, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah

Oops. I knew that too and spaced it.

I still wonder that he hasn’t sunk in some people’s minds slightly. I don’t think he will lose rookie eligibility so I think off-season Chacin will still count as a prospect. I still would guess he will rank 10-20, maybe bottom of some top 10s, depending on who is eligible.

by wobatus on Sep 10, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have him ranked as the #2 pitching prospect in the Rox organization

Friedrich is legit!

by johnnycomelately9 on Sep 17, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree for the most part,

At this point though, I think I’d take him ahead of Cahill. I’m just not a big Cahill supporter though, so it’s personal bias.

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by JT12340 on Sep 10, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

but thats probably only cause i have anderson on my team and last season i had to deal with everyone and their brother telling me i was crazy for thinking that anderson was a better pick than cahill

guess i got the last laugh HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA (i always make it count)

by PHGold09 on Sep 10, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

a little early to talk about winning that one

by soxkid on Sep 10, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd take

Helen Keller over Trevor Cahill.

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by Frederick0220 on Sep 10, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My personal feeling is that....

Chacin should be the #1 prospect in the Rockies organization, and a top 30 prospect in all of baseball. He’s younger than Friedrich, and by all accounts has better stuff. His control in the majors was bad, its true, but I think that had more to do with big league jitters than anything else.

by soccerman0 on Sep 10, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

not just in the majors

He walked 13 guys in 14 innings in AAA. I know it is a tiny sample. His command fell apart. Maybe it was nerves, but it continued after his demotion. Maybe that experience threw him off his game. Maybe some other issue, hard to say. And he may throw harder, but Friedrich has higher K rates.

Chacin only walked 1.63 per 9 in 2008 in high A. Friedrich walked 3.39 per 9 in his high A stint, but K’d 11.26.

The age difference isn’t huge, although Chacin ws at a moreadvanced level.

It’s close. You may be right. I guess I am going by flavor of the moment.

by wobatus on Sep 10, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Control

Chacin’s command, control and feel and pitching have all been given very high marks throughout his minor league career.

His one ugly major league start and the handful of AAA starts (with Colorado Springs it should be pointed out) are the exception to the rule rather than part of a larger history of wildness.

Ubaldo Jimenez and Franklin Morales also had a serious lack of control at AAA Colorado Springs and Esmil Rogers went from being very good to being all over the place upon his promotion there this summer as well.

by MADness on Sep 12, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like him

Just saying his control slipped from very good last year. Across all levels he walked slightly over 4 per 9. He gets grounders so that helps. He doesn’t have Jimenez’s fastball though. Fangraphs has his average fastball below 91. I am just wondering whether he is top 10 heading into 2010. Maybe right around there.

by wobatus on Sep 12, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs