Community Team Lists - Phillies
by cwhitman412 on Sep 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT
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PrintNext one on the list is the Phillies. Still getting a ton of participation. 22 Lists for the Mets and 18 so far for the Braves. Let's keep it coming! I'll go with the NL East first. When all 5 teams are done, I'll posts all the lists and my own analysis on them.
A system that's top heavy, but has little depth. Sebastian Valle was one of the close ones for me.
2. Kyle Drabek
3. Michael Taylor
4. Trevor May
5. Travis D'Arnaud
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1. Brown
2. Drabek
3. Taylor
4. May
5. Collier
I may be the only one to put Zach Collier in the top 5; I believe in the tools, he’ still young and raw, and it’s just one season . . .
Just A Comment On D'Arnaud
His park/luck adjusted line on minorleaguesplits is 0.297 0.359 0.489.
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one pretty awful season though, without ANY good news in peripheral numbers. I’d like to believe, but I’m just about ready to file Collier away with the Justin Jacksons and Matt Bush’s of the world.
revision
after seeing more evidence, I change my top 5:
1. Brown
2. Drabek
3. Taylor
4. D’Arnaud
5. May
top 5
Brown
Drabek
Taylor
D’Arnaud
D. Santana
May and Santana were close at 5. But I’ll take the kid showing promise at 16 for part of his GCL season.
I Saw Santana Too
That was one great line for that age at that level.
I know nothing about him, so that’s why I hadn’t ranked him.
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Tough because lots in top 10 could fit here
1) Brown
2) Drabek
3) May (love this guy)
4) D’Arnaud
5) Taylor (everyone will say I am low here…the Lakewood guys impress me though)
Close: Collier, Valle, Gose (love this guy too). Never really payed attention to Santana even though I may have seen his name a couple times. He could be close. I need to know about him a little. I also saw a lot of Harold Garica and BJ Rosenberg. They could rise with Freddy Galvis.
Mattair keeps struggling but he might be up with lack of depth. Hewitt will be high too.
That is okay for 14 spots. After that the Phillies are lost. I might have missed a player or two though. They didn’t have a first round selection so they are in big trouble especially with these guys ETAs at 2012 for a lot.
Domingo Santana
First off, kudos to JJACK for bringing up Santana — if he weren’t in my team’s system, I’d probably have no idea who he was, so that’s impressive.
Santana is a $300K signing out of the Dominican, and at 6’5", 200 lbs., he fits the organization’s “raw athletes we want to teach to play baseball” mold. He only turned 17 on August 5, but still managed to post a .288/.388/.508 line in 139 GCL plate appearances. The 37.1% K rate is worrying, but it’s somewhat counterbalanced by his young age, his patience (11.3% BB), and his fantastic power potential (.220 ISO, 6 HR). The fact that he’s got so much swing-and-miss in him means the organization is likely to move him slowly — i.e., I’d expect to see him in the NYPL instead of the SAL next year — but he’s certainly one to keep an eye on going forward.
by PhillyFriar on Sep 18, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Santana
Being a canuck I follow the Jays, living in Cleveland I follow the Indians, but for some reason I have been a closet Phillies fan for some time.
Was probably a little aggressive in throwing him at 5, but the other candidates that have a decent ceiling are also projects in my mind so might as well rank the young kid that high. His GCL season is pretty impressive, despite the K’s.
I think the top 3 are set in stone, d’Arnaud is the clear #4, and you can go in any number of directions for #5. Santana has as high a ceiling as anyone in the system outside “The Big Three,” so there’s definitely an argument for him to be #5. For what it’s worth, my 6 to 10 looks like this…
Gose
Santana
Valle
Bastardo
Colvin
by PhillyFriar on Sep 18, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
1.) Dominic Brown: A true blue chip prospect, one of the best in the game.
2.) Kyle Drabek: Had a break out year in ’09… front line starter potential.
3.) Michael Taylor: A bit on the old side, but a masher none the less. Not as athletic as brown, but should hit right alongside him.
4.) Trevor May
5.) Joe Savery
I don’t believe that the top 3 can be disputed, but 4 and 5 are kind of up in the air.
Savery
Interesting to see someone still has him up this high. I’m not saying you’re wrong for putting him fifth though. Most prospects int he Phillies system are heavy in tools, but light in experience and results.
by byronlhsdrmr on Sep 18, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, Savery certainly breaks that mold
He manages to be light in tools AND results.
I guess he’s a major leaguer but he just really hasn’t been that good in years.
I don't see Drabek as a frontline pitcher
I see him as a good number 3 though. Kinda a Weaver type of pitcher. I think May has a much higher ceiling and could be another Hanson type breakout pitcher next year.
List
List changed some after the Lee deal. Knapp was a def top 5…but here it is
1. Brown
2. Drabek
3. May( I think he is very close to Drabek..I would have had Knapp above both)
4. Taylor
5 Gose( best yet to come)
Though Gose is 5…there are about 6 guys who could be 5. Rosenberg is interesting…though rating RPs that high is tough.
KEEP THESE LISTS GOING!
I really enjoy them! I know Michael Taylor is a year older than Brown but he shows better or equal in every aspect statistically.
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by the pinstripes on Sep 17, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
My List
1. D.Brown
2. K.Drabek
3. M.Taylor
4. T.May
5. A.Gose
Top three are kind of no-brainers among the top 5. Plenty of names considered for the last two spots, I really like B.Colvin and may regret not being more aggressive with his ranking. A.Gose is my choice amongst the young toolsy OFs that have been drafted the last couple of years.
Brown
Drabek
Taylor
d’Arnaud
May
I keep calling Brown/Drabek/Taylor “The Big Three” of the system, and there’s a significant drop off after that. As cwhitman pointed out above, d’Arnaud’s numbers suffered from a poor BABIP for much of the year, and he still got rave reviews from scouts, so I’ve got him as the clear #4. You could go in any number of directions for 5, but I think I like May’s upside the best. Savery and Bastardo wind up as relievers long-term, and the next tier of hitting prospects have some big questions to answer as they climb the ladder (whether Gose can translate his massive tools into true leadoff skills, whether Santana can eliminate some of the swing-and-miss, whether Valle can stick behind the plate).
drabek should be an indian. we’d like to return carlos carrasco please.
by kershaw_equals_stud on Sep 18, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
Order
1. Taylor
2. Brown
3. Drabek
4. May
5. D’Arnaud
Brown
Taylor
Drabek
May
D’Arnaud
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I'll give it a shot
Funny system in that your best three guys are all generally awesome and that putting them in any order is defensible.
1. Michael Taylor
2. Kyle Drabek
3. Domonic Brown
4. Travis D’Arnaud
5. Trevor May
Not too different from the consensus here . . .I think Taylor might be mildly underrated by some. I’m especially impressed by how his plate discipline remained great after promotion, that can often be a difficult transition for lots of tall players. I love Drabek although he needs another year in the minors and maybe a bit more on top of that to refine his command. Brown is great too and is toolsier than Taylor but I’m slightly less convinced of his future production. The rest of the system is a mix of ultra-toolsy types and guys with unimpressive ceilings. D’Arnaud looks like the best of the first category, so he goes at 4. The fifth spot is up for debate . . .Anthony Gose had a much better year than anybody could have hoped for (which still wasn’t really that much), but remains awfully raw. I went with Trevor May, who is long way from contributing but did put together a nice year with the potential for better down the line.
Pretty underwhelming otherwise, although Brody Colvin was a very nice addition to the system.
I like the OP's list
I’d probably swap d’Arnaud & May.
People are sleeping on d’Arnaud, but all year people who saw him in person were raving about him even when he was hitting .220 for the first half the year. Once he got away from trying to crank home runs, and just letting the power come to him you saw what he can do in the 2nd half. (.302/.366/.473/.839)
From 6-20 I think there are a ton guys that you could mix and match with. Lot of young guys who haven’t proven anything above the rookie leagues/low A.
Gose, Valle, Santana, Cosart, Singleton, Garcia, Correa, Colvin, Castro, Collier, DeFratus, Shreve etc.
Plus guys like Way, Stutes, Worley, Galvis, Kennelly, Bastardo, Savery, Carpenter, who may not have the huge upsides but have a solid chance of being major leaguers.
I’m sure I forgot a bunch of top 20ish guys as well. The pasts two drafts have pumped in a lot of interesting prospects. We’ve already seen the results of Knapp, May, & Gose.
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