Kirk Nieuwenhuis?
by MetsJetsRebels on Sep 1, 2009 1:16 PM EDT
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With him going on a tear recently, being called up to AA, and being featured in BA's prospect hotsheet the past 2 times...I thought now would be a good time to bring up this up and coming, breakout prospect. What do you guys think of him? I've actually liked him as a prospect since the Mets drafted him in the 3rd round last year, but I never really considered him as a top prospect. I knew he was toolsy, but he didn't put up huge numbers in Brooklyn last year(who does, though?). He just recently turned 22, so this was his 21 year old season...he is still pretty young. Is he finally on everyones radar? Because I think he should be. This year he has hit .277/.359/.472/.832, 35 2b, 6 3b, 16 hr, 71 rbi, 16/20 sb/cs, 53 bb/116 k.
He has definitely moved in to the top 10 Mets prospects for me(which has improved dramatically this year).
On another topic, what do you guys think of Kyle Allen? He has really come on strong at the end of the year, is very young(19 years old), is putting up good numbers in Savannah, and reportedly has good stuff. At 6'3 195, he might have some good projectability left too. Thoughts on both of these Mets prospects?
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I like 'em.
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by squid92 on Sep 1, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Both guys
Look good.
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With my personal relations.
They are not deep
And they are not cheap.
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by jimduquettesucked on Sep 1, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nieuwenhuis
Tools are all average to a bit above. Gets good reads and jumps, could stay in CF, will probably have a bit below average range for MLB there. Could be plus defender in a corner though, and has the 20 HR potential to play there. Ryan Church is actually a decent comp. Ignore though where Church struggled after the concussions and look at where he was basically an MLB average corner OF from 2005-2008.
I really like the way he plays the game. Does most everything well. Runs the bases well. Makes good throws, 9 assists and only 2 errors on the year. Heads up grinder. Good teamate, one of the first out there congratulating other guys. The package adds up to a pretty nice player.
(note: I’ve actually seen him 20+ times this year)
by acerimusdux on Sep 1, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've seen Jayson Werth dropped on Cap'n Kirk a few times
The physical aspects are appealing and the tools seem similar. Above average across the board, though not stellar. Plus defense in a corner, average or slightly below in center. Tough to really run it though since Werth started out as a catcher.
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by Meddler on Sep 1, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the firsthand report.
The only thing that scares me a little with Nieuwenheis are the strikeouts. 24.5% this year, albeit with a solid ISO (.193) and walk rate (9.9%). If he can continue to tap into the power the scouts say he has, he can make it as a hitter. If not, then I think his swing-and-miss could submarine him as a hitter.
Overall, I lIke him a lot more this year after some success in High-A. I’d put him in the Mets Top 10 certainly (probably 8th or 9th), on which I agree with this Fanpost’s author: it’s gotten a lot better from the beginning of the season.
by PhillyFriar on Sep 1, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The strikeouts are a big problem — and I agree that he’s probably going to end up as an average CF, at best, if he stays there — right now he’s on the outside looking in on my top 10. Can’t put him ahead of guys like Familia and Allen.
by T Pac on Sep 1, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a tad younger than the average FSL batter...
But is a much better batter than average. His OPS is 140 points above average, but he struggles mightily against lefties. (Then again, so does Jason Kubel, but he’s done alright.)
His third-best 71 RBI are impressive because he’s been batting lead-off or second most games this season.
I’ve also heard that his defense is plus-plus. Clearly an under-rated prospect, Kirk Nieuwenhuis could be an above-average centerfielder who can hit 25 HR and steal 25 bases in the Bigs.
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by Andersklasen on Sep 1, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't think he's a "plus, plus" defender
Most of what I’ve heard is that he projects as capable if unspectacular in CF, plus in a corner, and could have plenty of bat to move left and the arm to move to right.
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by Meddler on Sep 1, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He has above average speed, enough to steal 20 bases, but probably not enough to be “plus plus” in CF. His instincts are good enough though that he could maybe turn out to be above average even in CF. But I’d say average for now.
by acerimusdux on Sep 1, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allen was my sleeper pick going into the year
But I still think he’s in the process of “Breaking out,” lots to like with him. He was a late convert to moundsmen, so he’s still figuring out the “pitchability” thing, but his learning curve has been tremendous. The dangerous thing with him is that its his secondary stuff that’s more polished, his fastball still average to just above. He’s projectable though, and has added velo this year. That’s going to be the real question. If/when he consistently starts throwing in the low-mid 90s, he’s a huge prospect. Until then, he might just be getting away with dominating younger competition by throwing them the kind of offspeed stuff they haven’t seen yet, in which case he’d still be a nice back-end candidate, but his ceiling would be limited.
As for Nieuwenhuis, he’s one I’ve also been following closely all year, since the pop has been there all season, and the speed was a given. His tool set is nice, he probably won’t be a superstar but he could very well be a well above average player. He’s extra appealing since he’s in a system so barren of any outfield talent. He’s definitely #2 on the minor league depth chart in the outfield behind Fernando Martinez (yeah I know, he’s on the MLB DL, still a spect though).
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by Meddler on Sep 1, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Allen's FB isn't average
He’s throwing mostly 2-seamers, but they are sitting low 90s with really good run. He just needs to command it better, but the stuff absolutely shouldn’t be in question in any way.
by T Pac on Sep 1, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard mixed things
Mostly positive though, especially lately. I may have overstated, more than anything, I meant that it seems like he’s just a tad behind a guy like Familia still, who seems like he’s developed his repertoire to the point where it should translate pretty cleanly to the next level as is. I’m not sure that’s quite so clear with Allen. He has three good pitches and he’s missing bats, but not quite dominating the way Familia is. I really like Allen too, I’m just not sure whether or not he should be pegged as a high ceiling guy yet.
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by Meddler on Sep 1, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got it backwards!
Familia is the low ceiling guy, Allen is the high ceiling guy! Familia has only 2 pitches in his arsenal and used them well. Allen has 3 pitches and he’s still learning how to pitch (raw) mentally. The floors are the same, the ceilings are totally different. Familia is not the listed 185, he’s more 220 to 225.
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by LoveofTheGame on Sep 12, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're both high ceiling.
Carson’s the one with the high floor, low ceiling. As a lefty, Carson’s downside at this point is probably a LOOGY, but he’ll most likely be a backend starter. Allen and Familia are still bust possibilities, but have decidedly higher ceilings. And Familia has three pitches: a 90-93 mph fastball with good movement, a 78-81 mph slurve that could potentially be a great out pitch, and a show me change that’s just alright.
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by squid92 on Sep 12, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
low ceiling does not equal to high floor
Carson does not have a “high floor” relative to any other single-A pitcher. I’d take either Allen or Familia’s floor over Carson. I guess people like to share the wealth, but Carson just isn’t at Allen or Familia’s level as far as prospect status is concerned.
Calling Carson’s downside as a lefty specialist is, well, absurd. Especially because he’s pitched better against righties than lefties in his pro career, but also because he’s a kid in A ball.
by T Pac on Sep 12, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Again, the fact that he’s a big lefty with a good fastball means he should most likely be at least a LOOGY. If Allen and Familia don’t develop any more, that’s it. AAA filler, maybe.
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by squid92 on Sep 14, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
big lefty?
you mean fat lefty.
you seem to be calling robert carson a sure-fire major league player, which is somewhere between ridiculous and retarded.
by T Pac on Sep 16, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most likely=/=surefire...
Again, I repeat: Carson is not as good as Allen or Familia. But he’s a lefty who gets a LOT of groundballs. If this continues through upper levels, he has as good a chance as anyone else of being in the Major Leagues. His ceiling isn’t that high, sure, but that’s not the argument.
And I hate to be that guy, but I would really prefer it if we don’t get into personal insults like “retarded”. I personally find it somewhat offensive to use disparagingly, and no one has really done anything warranting that.
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by squid92 on Sep 17, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So You've Actually Seen Familia pitch?
Squid..have you seen Familia pitch yet or are you basing it on what BA says or what ScoutingTheSally says? Because they contradict each other. BA says he has a plus CH. www.scoutingthesally.com says he doesn’t have a good change, but a good slider while BA says he’s working on his slider. Actually ScoutingTheSally says he has a slurve vs a slider that’s very effective, which is evident by his stats. Carson has an issue with innings. He’s great at the beginning of the year, but wears down as evident in GCL/Kingsport and 1st half vs 2nd Half of this year. I did read he hit 94 in his last outing, but he was throwing at that point vs pitching. Either way you look at it, the Savannah 4 (including Beaulac) will be fun to follow in St Lucie/Binghamton next year. I predict we have another Mejia out of the bunch, who pushes to AA by mid-season as Mejia did (without the injury – please).
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by LoveofTheGame on Sep 14, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen him pitch, yes.
I like Allen the best out of the bunch, if only because of what you said. He’s the most unpolished of the bunch, and he went on a really nice run at the end of the season. I think that bodes well for the future.
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by squid92 on Sep 14, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random Ike Davis Pump
Good place to insert it. Another homer last night, up to .297/.386/.565 in AA.
by wobatus on Sep 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2008 Mets draft was awesome
Davis, Havens, Holt and Nieuwenheis
by LCT on Sep 1, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no...the Mets SUCK at drafting.
Anonymous scouts have my back on this one, guys. Trust me.
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by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the '08 class
But I’ve been pretty meh on everything else the Mets have done in recent years, and I say that as an Omar guy.
by Fanon on Sep 2, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
You don’t like their stunning success at finding righty bullpen depth in the first round. :)
Actually, I like Joe Smith. Good against righties, gets some strikeouts and tons of grounders. Useful. Maybe not early pick useful, but I like him.
Last year’s draft was really good though.
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith was a fine third round pick
It’s the ’07 class that pisses me off. The Mets had so many picks, and used them so poorly.
by Fanon on Sep 2, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007
Weird draft. Kunz at 42 when I think mock draft here had him at 117. Still throwing grounders but no command. he has been almost exactly what his college line would suggest, high walks, low k rate, grounders. But, for some reeason this year, he has given up a bunch of homers despite the groundball rate. Suggests he is somewhat unlucky, although even at his best he isn’t all that special.
Vineyard fell off the planet. Reach pick anyway although some thought he had potential, but 4th starter material at number 47. Injured, then he must have freaked out. Nice peripherals in rookie ball, 88-91 mph lefty some thought could get it higher and a nic slider.
Moviel, another injury, so so when playing. At least he was 77, and 75 in the mock draft on this site.
Rustich at 93. Still shows some potential but he has to be ehalthy and in AA-AAA next eyar.
Niesen at 99, looked to be picking it up in FSL. So so in AA, better recently but love the k rate. In August 27 innings, 35 ks, 12 walks, 1 homer in AA. A lefty who Ks people at that rate as a starter (almost 9 per 9 overall this year), he should at least make a good lefty reliever in my mind.
Lutz at 183. ok. Rough start in AA after his recent call-up.
Duda at 243. Decent.
Carson at 453, we’ll see. OK in the sally. Long way off. I don’t think he’ll be all that much but still young.
Gee hurt but not bad for 663.
The early rounds were indeed awful, some just bad luck, although choosing Vineyard they must have been courting bad luck. Kunz was just a dumb pick I think. They seemed to better in later rounds.
I wonder if Vineyard got along well with Tony Bernazard. :)
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA's take at the time
on these guys:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2007team.php?team=NYM
They seemed to be trying to draft a bunch of pitchers who might make a leap forward, try to catch lightning in a bottle. Huge guys like Rustich, Kunz and Moviel. High school sleeper like Vineyard (and Moviel again). Injury comeback in Clyne. A hope-his-mechanics-straighten-out guy in Niesen.
As very possible with that strategy, they pretty much crapped out. Although I suppose it’ll be a couple of years yet before we know for sure they didn’t find any diamonds in the rough. Niesen seems to be improving.
Vineyard is one weird story. Giving that kid $657,000, odd to say, may not have been good for him.
by wobatus on Sep 2, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moviel and Rustich weren't that bad
Rustich could probably step into a major league bullpen and be a solid setup guy, if healthy. But that’s a big if. And they need to give up the starting experiment.
Moviel still could be decent, and isn’t old by any means.
The later rounds look generally solid to me, particularly with Lutz and Duda, but the early rounds were just dumb.
It’s particularly frustrating that the ’08 draft class already looks to be head and shoulders above the ’07 class, suggesting that sleepers are less likely to emerge.
by Fanon on Sep 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the 07 draft was pretty good
I don’t understand the bad rap it gets — I guess everyone is focusing on Kunz and Vineyard. MetsGeek even called it the “worst draft of all-time,” which is just absurd. Once you get past the first two picks, it’s very solid tons of interesting prospects — and 07 was a very weak draft overall.
by T Pac on Sep 3, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kunz and Vineyard were awful, awful picks
And Rustich and Moviel weren’t that much better. It’s entirely possible that none of the top four ever makes a real contribution at the major league level. Granted, the lower rounds weren’t bad by any means, but I don’t think they got nearly the upside they should have gotten with 5 picks in the first 100.
by Fanon on Sep 3, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say Vineyard was an awful "pick"
Although it’s turned out that way. But not like Kunz, which was just a terrible pick at the time.
I would be surprised if Rustich doesn’t make an impact at the MLB level — injuries are the only thing in his way. Anyway, you can’t look at it in a vaccuum — hard to say that Rustich and Moviel weren’t good picks when you consider how weak the draft was. There are a few gems (Desme, Stanton, Freeman, Duffy, Barnese) but most of the guys have turned out to be complete flops.
Then you’ve also got Niesen (3rd), Lucas (4th), Lutz (6th) and Duda (7th), along with a the strong lower round selections.
by T Pac on Sep 3, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time they were saying he was a potential number four starter
Even in a bad draft, you should be able to do better than that.
And with Rustich, assuming he stays healthy, yes, I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t make a strong contribution at the major league level. I think he could probably be in a major league bullpen right now, with his repertoire. That said, the injury concerns were there when he was drafted, and he’s done nothing to assuage them. Not necessarily a bad pick, but when your top four picks are all either risky or bad, it’s pretty bad.
No, it wasn’t the worst draft in the world, but you should really get more out of five picks in the first 100.
by Fanon on Sep 3, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carson
is doing a bit more than OK. Come on.
by METSMETSMETS on Sep 3, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But it’s impossible to project him as anything more than a LOOGY at this point in time.
by Fanon on Sep 3, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him as a back end #5 pretty easily.
If only because of his size.
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by squid92 on Sep 3, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carson has shown as innings amount...the results are not the same!
Carson’s history of 2 years of pro baseball have shown he gets worn down as the season goes along. He has a history of having a low-ERA and is fortunate (unfortunate?) that he gives up alot of runs after errors are made. To the point, it’s as though he figures, it’s not going to hurt my ERA so who cares. Now I realize I’m reaching here with that comment, but it does seem to be a trend. Carson was hitting 94 in his 2nd to last outing, problem was it was flat.
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by LoveofTheGame on Sep 12, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to be a major league pitcher.
Above 60% GBs? That’s alright with me, especially as a lefty that can consistently hit 94.
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by squid92 on Sep 12, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007 International class
They seem to have gone cheap on the 2007 draft at the top, but the 2007 International class was a bonanza. That’s probably even better than the 2008 draft. Flores, Mejia, Familia, Marte, Puello, and Valdespin, with Angel Cuan, Eduardo Aldama, and Wilfredo Tovar all interesting lower level sleepers. That’s an amazing haul for one year.
by acerimusdux on Sep 3, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I guess sensible decision making in a year with a weak draft class. But I still just hate the Kunz pick, I hated it when it happened and I still hate it. Moviel and Rustich I’m happier with, but they frustrate me in the context of Kunz being the first guy the Mets took off the board.
by Fanon on Sep 3, 2009 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I didn't mean to excuse the draft
I actually like that draft somewhat after the top 3, as I think both Rusitch and Niesen are good value for where they were drafted, Lucas, Lutz and Duda are pretty good for rounds 4, 5 & 7, and Antonini and Gee are good value in the middle rounds. And also Carson in round 14.
But they really needed to get more at the top end out of the first 3 picks. Moviel is OK, but I don’t like him for where he was picked. And Kunz was a reach and Vineyard must have had some serious make-up issues to seemingly walk away from it due to an injury.
On the whole they pulled a few decent C/C+ guys out of that, but Kunz, Moviel, and Vineyard were the guys who got the big bonuses. They would have been better off spending some of that on a true high end over-slot talent. They didn’t really take any top end talent out of that draft.
by acerimusdux on Sep 3, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still wonder
if Bernazard went up to Vineyard, took off his shirt and said “heal yourself ya big baby” only he didn’t use the word baby.
by wobatus on Sep 3, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
My theory, when everyone was wondering why the Mets were suffering so many injuries, was that Bernazard was going around beating everyone up. :)
Wonder if Adam Rubin ever got ahold of Vineyard to ask what was up there? Might be an interesting story.
by acerimusdux on Sep 3, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite Nieuwenhuis comp
Is Nate McLouth.
by Fanon on Sep 2, 2009 3:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like that one.
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by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though I think Kirk's D would be better.
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by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McLouth is pretty terrible in center.
And while Kirk isn’t a great defender, he would be plus in the corners, not to mention most likely decent to average in center.
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by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similarly to McLouth though
I think his bat might be a little fringy in a corner.
by Fanon on Sep 2, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or like Ryan Church.
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by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's got a bit more power than Church
And yes, I do mean pre-concussion Church. Doing what he’s doing in the FSL in his 21 year old season, he’s still got some projection left.
by Fanon on Sep 2, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I've heard that one too
I used to use it a lot, Kirk’s a bit bigger, but in terms of athleticism and offensive upside it sounds about right.
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by Meddler on Sep 2, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AA can't stop him
4-5 with 2 doubles and a homerun!
I am beginning to lose patience
With my personal relations.
They are not deep
And they are not cheap.
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by jimduquettesucked on Sep 2, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
If he finishes strong, I’ll be inclined to move him up some on my rankings.
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by squid92 on Sep 3, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 week of PA is gonna determine your rankings for him
nice..
by matthewmafa on Sep 3, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also had a pretty good year.
And he’s been absolutely tearing up the ball for the past month. So no, that’s really not true. Considering you only know about Dodgers prospects, maybe you should sit down.
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by squid92 on Sep 3, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's already finishing strong
Double-A shouldn’t say much one way or the other.
by Fanon on Sep 3, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nieuwenhuis
is a toolsy guy. When drafted he was compared to Eric Byrnes, and I think he has some solid potential, but he needs to work on striking out less.
Gets a B-/B (more like B-) unless he shows breakout numbers in the minors or unless he proves himself in the bigs.
On Allen, I’m VERY high on him. He’s shown some very necessary improvements, and he’s also very young. There’s really not much not to like about him, right now his ceiling looks like a good 2/3 pitcher, I’m expecting more of a #4. A C+/B- guy, 50/50
by METSMETSMETS on Sep 3, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When you contextualize his numbers for the FSL
I think they’re breakout numbers.
- First in OPS (Zach Lutz is second)
- First in SLG
- Twelfth in OBP
- Twelfth in AVG
- Second in HR
- First in 2B
- Third in RBI
- First in Runs
by Fanon on Sep 3, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
leader stats
I like him but tough when you rely on those because recall that Domonic Brown, Ike davis, Yonder Alonso etc. all graduated early this year from FSL.
by wobatus on Sep 4, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize this
But those are still significant accomplishments. It’s not like he’s the only guy who spent the whole year at the level, nor was he old for the level.
by Fanon on Sep 4, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah leader stats
become irrelevant in the second half of the season. Even guys who aren’t big prospects who are having good years get moved up and the depth of the leaderboards really dies down.
by Southwest on Sep 4, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2-5 tonight.
Those two hits came off of Tim Alderson!
by Mets4life1988 on Sep 4, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nieuwenhuis is very similar to Jordan Danks,
in terms of their tools and skillsets, except Danks was really bad in AA this year.
I still think both guys are top 100 prospects.
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 14, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which would give the Mets
Four guys in the top 100? Five?
Fernando, Mejia, Davis, Nieuwenhuis, and probably Holt? Maybe even Flores (I don’t think his stock has dropped much)?
by Fanon on Sep 15, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fernando, Mejia, Davis, Holt, Flores, Niese, Nieuwenhuis
Wow.
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by squid92 on Sep 15, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that
All of those guys are top 100
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 17, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danks
Some things I’ve read on him have indicated that his speed and defense are not as good as expected, and his good offensive numbers with Winston Salem were fueled by a preposterous BABIP (luck adjusted line drops to .263/.358/.449 — still pretty good but not great). I have a hard time seeing him as a top 100 guy personally, as he seems like a Brian Anderson clone to me.
by jibs on Sep 15, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danks
is one of the premier low floor/high ceiling guys IMO, because of the excellent tools, body, premium position, but a failure to make consistent contact.
Brian Anderson comp makes me mellon chollie, but you do have a point…
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by Frederick0220 on Sep 17, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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