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The "No longer prospects" thread

On here we talk about prospects from the time they are 18 until they reach the majors.  Then after a month in the bigs, they become ancient history.

 

I think the Phil Hughes, Alex Gordons, and Clay Buchholz of the baseball world need there own thread.  They may not be still technically considered prospects, but they are the future of baseball and that is what this site is about.

 

So instead of having a bunch of threads, I say we put it all in one and have a nice discussion about our one time favorite prospects.  Are they on the right path?  Will they be stars?  Will they be bust?

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Billy Butler

Everybody’s favorite Manny comparison. He has moved to first base. After a couple average seasons, he is quietly doing pretty damn good. On pace for 50 2B, 18 HR, and a .300 BA.

Only 23, I think he is on the path to living up to expectations.

by nyy601 on Aug 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: butler

I wish I could actually see him play more, he’s been on fire recently and what he’s doing as a 23 year old is really promising for the future. He had been hitting a lot of doubles this season without the homers but now the homers are coming more frequently and he’s on pace for 20 or so. Is he still an Edgar Martinez clone? What’s his defense like at first base?

He’s always been one of my favorite prospects

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by Jgaztambide on Aug 8, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

butler

3/4 with 3 doubles and 3 RBI tonight. It’s almost like he heard us…

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by Jgaztambide on Aug 9, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

He’s totally post prospect hype now. People don’t remember how young he is. He’ll be huge.

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by cwhitman412 on Aug 8, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love this kid

I’m not sure if he made some adjustments at the start of July or what, but we may be looking at a breakout 2nd half here. Just glancing at the numbers, the big difference that jumps out at me is the BB/K numbers from July on. He’s posted a 14/19 BB/K ratio since then, and 45% of his hits have gone for extra bases in that span as well. Hopefully someone like doublestix or anyone who gets to see him on a regular basis can tell us if he’s doing anything differently.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 8, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i really don't know

all i know is he’s f’ing awesome. he goes to the opposite field gap as well as any young hitter i’ve seen recently. i’d bet near half his doubles have been to right center.

going to be a monster if some of those doubles start turning into home runs as he matures.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 9, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

tomorrow’s lottery numbers?

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 9, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say pretty good odds

He is 6’2 240
He has a chance to hit 20 this year as a 23 year old.
As a 19 year old he hit 30 homers in the minors. (25 in A+ ball in only 92 games)
Now I am not sure he will ever hit 40 homers, but I see him hitting around 30 a year.

by nyy601 on Aug 9, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing that ever deterred me from calling him a

“Star Prospect” was his horrid defense. How has he been fielding this year

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by The_Fan on Aug 10, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

numbers-wise

According to BR’s he’s improved to just about league-average. Not sure what the reports on him are.

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by mckeeno on Aug 10, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alex Gordon

uhhh, don’t know what to say here. Everyone though he was a lock to produce. He has really struggled. He is still young and it’s early to call him a bust, but he seems headed down that path.

by nyy601 on Aug 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not even close to there

I think this would have been his break-out year if not for his injury, and I think he’s still ready to start coming around. Remember, he’s only 25

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by OldProspects on Aug 9, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Delmon Young

“trust the tools”?

Delmon looks like he disagrees.

by nyy601 on Aug 8, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what tools?

power and arm.

and the power isn’t there in the games.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 9, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well....

he did manage to go 1-5 today, hitting his 4th dinger of the year…

so… I dunno maybe he’s coming around…… nah now way…….. well I still don’t know maybe….wait wait wait for it……………… nah.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 9, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phil Hughes

injuries derailed him in 2007 and 2008. His velocity was down, but with a move to the pen he seems back on track and he is back to throwing in the mid 90s. Can he sustain it as a starter?

by nyy601 on Aug 8, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hope so

terrific stuff.

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by doublestix on Aug 9, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jay Bruce

An injury unfortunetly shortened his season. He would have hit 30+ homers, but that would have probably hit under .250. He has all the potential in the world, but can he hit for average?

by nyy601 on Aug 8, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bruce

While I don’t think he’s going to hit .300 consistently, the guy has a BABIP of .202 this year, which is beyond ridiculously low. I can see him settling in as a .260-.270 hitter with 35-40 HR’s.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 8, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Why can’t he be a .300 hitter? He reduced his Ks dramatically this year, and has terrific HR power. I’m not saying he will be a .300 hitter, but it seems possible

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by OldProspects on Aug 9, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, it's possible

and I could see a year or two where luck is in his favor and he does post a .300 average, but I’m not sure he can do it consistently. As someone who owns Bruce in a fantasy league, I will say I’d love it if he did end up a .300 hitter with big power numbers.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 9, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that as long as Dusty is his manager

He can’t have a low BA/high OBP and get the playing time he needs. Dusty will find a way to get a bad dark-skinned player in there for those hot summer games.

by thejd44 on Aug 9, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Homer Bailey

Stuff seems to be there. But he wins the award for most likely to throw 5 shoutout innings and then give up 7 runs in the 6th. Can he be a consistent starter?

by nyy601 on Aug 8, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eventually

I think he can. I think it’ll be with a different team, but he certainly has the stuff. He’s still very young.

by jar75 on Aug 9, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his control is my biggest concern

from watching him thats why he does fine for awhile, but eventually it catches up to him. they’ve toyed around with his delivery and pitch selection a lot though, so maybe given time he might settle in, I wouldn’t give up on him just yet. Id like to see him develop a good change up, but I’m not holding my breath

by sharks on Aug 10, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he throws a split

it can be downright nasty

by uwbadger on Aug 10, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

heard he added that to his repetoire

but I never see him throw it, looks to me like he throws FBs 90% of the time. If he can learn to use his offspeed stuff more I bet he has a chance to turn into a pretty damn good pitcher.

by sharks on Aug 12, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clay Buchholz

Just needed a chance to pitch IMO. That and to cut down on BB, but I still think he is a front of the rotation starter.

by nyy601 on Aug 8, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

just give him a chance to pitch and make adjustments in the bigs. let him take his lumps.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Aug 9, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by demondeaconsbaseball on Aug 10, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luke Hochevar?

last five starts: 30.1 IP, 39 K, 4 BB

i’m not 100% sure what got into him. he’s throwing a bit harder (hit 96 at times recently). the curve is a bit sharper and the slider is good as ever. he’s still rarely throwing the changeup but hasn’t needed it really.

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by doublestix on Aug 9, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's really hard to get a reading on

Like you said his secondary stats have been great lately, but his ERA in that time has 5.93.

I think he could be a bad ass closer, but as a starter I am a little iffy on him. But he has the stuff to be dominant.

by nyy601 on Aug 9, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brett Anderson

Even through the rough patches, his peripherals supported better numbers. Brett has certainly impressed, being the A’s best pitcher since June. Only one start of his last 8 has he given up more than 4 runs, including two very excellent starts. (CG shutout in Fenway, 8 innings of perfect ball vs. Los Angeles) I knew he was going to be good, but he has really blown me away. Stud written all over him if he can stay healthy.

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by Orodawg on Aug 9, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anderson

If his recent velocity increase stays, he will be one of the best pitchers in baseball (barring injuries) for the next decade.

by nyy601 on Aug 9, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not in waiting

the way hes pitching now is ace-worthy

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by harendaman365 on Aug 11, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

hes going to be beastly

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by harendaman365 on Aug 11, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Gonzalez

I believe this guy is a somewhat overlooked 5 tool player. He struggled last season in Oakland, but I think his trip back to AAA this season helped him out a lot. He destroyed the ball in AAA to start the year and it seems like that success may be be carrying over (hitting over .500 the last week).

by nyy601 on Aug 9, 2009 2:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CarGo (that's his nickname with Rockies fans) already has one of the best gloves in baseball, and is unreal to watch in the field (did you see him rob Pujols?)

He’s showing speed, patience, and contact lately. It’s all coming together to him, and if his recent hot streak has been legit, it will be only a matter of time before the power comes, making Rockies fans wonder who Matt Holliday is.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 9, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's only one CarGo

And he plays for the Twins.

by Fanon on Aug 9, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CarGo has been Cargo

Since being traded to the A’s

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by hero66 on Aug 10, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fully expect him to prove the Holliday trade a total disaster for Oakland

He’s ahead of where Franklin Gutierrez was at this point in his career, and shows every sign of developing into a similar player.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 10, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clayton Kershaw

It seems like he’s been up forever already but he’s only 21

Tonight: 7IP, 2H, 1BB, 10K’s

When he learns control… the sky really is the limit

by blinkshot on Aug 9, 2009 3:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Going To Be Absolutely Dominant

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by cwhitman412 on Aug 9, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's Dominant

Not OMGWTFBBQPWNED Dominant.

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by cwhitman412 on Aug 9, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kershaw

What he’s doing during his age 21 season, can anyone think of any recent comps for him?

by npurcell on Aug 9, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark Fidrych came to my head

but Kershaw hasn’t done that well.

by supermets on Aug 9, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

just came to me…Rick Ankiel as well.

by npurcell on Aug 9, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's quite good.

Problem is, I think this is as good as he gets, maybe a bit better.

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by squid92 on Aug 9, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, haha

Just saying, people tend to do this and overhype him a bit. He’s good; just not the next Alex Rodriguez or anything.

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by squid92 on Aug 9, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, haha

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 10, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he can continue to hit like this

The Giants needed a hitter like him in the middle of their order real bad. probably the place you might see improvement from him is his defense at third

by sharks on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was concerned about his obvious lack of any discipline

but he seems to have the rare ability to hit anything

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by harendaman365 on Aug 11, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

King Felix

He’s only 23.

He’s going to be an absolute monster, possible 300 game winner, HOF pretty easily.

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by cwhitman412 on Aug 9, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe...

let’s not get ahead of ourselves…

it IS Seattle (he’ll have to win games 2-0 and 3-2). I think a pitcher like, say, Hanson as a similarly realistic shot to be a HOF pitcher as King Felix, and that is “who the #$% knows” shot. ALOT has to go right for a guy to get tot he HOF and King Felix looks to be a bit snake bitten right now.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 9, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is King Felix "snake bitten?"

He’s one of the best pitchers in the majors. I dont understand how people dont see this. He’s phenomenal, and of all pitchers under 25 years old he’s gotta be the most likely by far to be a HOFer.

He’s been one of the top 10 starting pitchers in baseball this year.

by alskor on Aug 9, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's referring to Felix's last two starts.

And he’s wrong. Felix got 19 swinging strikes in his last start and had some incredibly terrible defense played behind him in the first two innings, getting his pitch count up.

Yes, the walks are troubling, but after the second inning, he controlled the Rays rather easily. His only real hiccup was the meatball he delivered to Pat Burrell.

The start before that he was wild, but not horrible. He’s fine.

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 9, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa

Maybe we should wait until he gets to 60 wins before anointing him a future Hall of Famer?

by Fanon on Aug 9, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be too pessimistic

But BP suggested before the year started that the likelihood that Felix would eventually have a serious injury was pretty high. This is subscriber content, unfortunately, or I would link

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by OldProspects on Aug 10, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The likelihood that any pitcher will pitch long enough to cement a HOF career

is, sadly, significantly less than the likelihood of that pitcher having a serious injury.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 10, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mr AAAA eric patterson

I was willing to give this guy a free pass since he’s hit great in AAA, but every mlb chance he’s had has turned into being terrible. A’s attempted to give him a chance as the everyday cf when holliday got traded. And try him in a figgins type role. He’s not good defensively w/ a weak arm, hie has a long, uppercut swing. cant deny the great minor league trackrecord, but he’s just a flawed player.

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by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 9, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know all the Patterson people will say SSS for his major league stints

The problem is that he’s looked AWFUL. Like, not just “not ready” but “completely incapable of understanding how to play baseball.” He has literally shown no major league skills, outside of plus speed. What’s worse than the long swing is that he never seems to have any idea of what pitch is coming or where it’s going to end up.

I honestly have no idea how a guy who destroys AAA pitching could look so, so bad in the big leagues. Most 4A guys are bad major leaguers. Patterson is so bad you kinda feel sorry for him.

by thejd44 on Aug 9, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping that Patterson can be the next version of Rajai Davis.

Rajai looked horrible in his first couple months this season. Very Patterson esque. He was being absolutely dominated in atbats, and was overmatched in every facet of the game.

This…

The problem is that he’s looked AWFUL. Like, not just "not ready" but "completely incapable of understanding how to play baseball." He has literally shown no major league skills, outside of plus speed. What’s worse than the long swing is that he never seems to have any idea of what pitch is coming or where it’s going to end up.

could easily have described Rajai a few months ago. So while I don’t think Patterson will amount to anything, I’m hoping he has a Rajai like change in his game.

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by travdog6 on Aug 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Charlie Morton & Scott Richmond

Are they truly solid #3 starters?

Morton, in 10 starts: 4.38 xFIP | 6.0 k/9 | 3.3 bb/9 | 0.73 hr/9

Richmond, in 14 starts (17 games): 4.43 xFIP | 7.6 k/9 | 3.5 bb/9 | 1.57 hr/9

by gogotabata on Aug 9, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Richmond is a solid #4 -5 guy....

But Charlie Morton can be a #3 yes….. For Those Pirates he’s like their 2nd best pitcher (Duke)

what happens to Paul Maholm on the road ????

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 9, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Pearce

2007 seems more and more like an anomaly. What will become of him?

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by Green_Wave on Aug 9, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

I think Pearce is still the best option at first base. It’s a shame that he’s been screwed around by Neal because outside of 2008, he’s hit very well. There is no possible reason to start Brandon Moss instead of Steve Pearce.

I don’t think he’ll hit well enough to be anything more than an average first baseman, but there isn’t anyone in this organization (until Pedro officially moves to first) who is better.

by jar75 on Aug 10, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think Pearce

is a better option than Clement? Or are you hoping Clement could actually catch full time, which I just don’t see.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 10, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think so

I realize that Clement was pushed a little bit too hard by Seattle, but their minor league numbers are very similar. Clement has had the benefit of playing in hitter friendly leagues, and still has a worse minor league SLG. I do like Clement’s ability to get on base, but I really have doubts about his bat at first base.

by jar75 on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Addition

Now that I think about it, a Pearce/Clement platoon may be the way to go.

by jar75 on Aug 10, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know they tried him in the OF at some point

but can Pearce actually play out there a couple of times a week? I don’t think Clement is an everyday catcher, but I do think he could catch a game or two a week to keep Doumit rested(and healthy ideally). So maybe if Pearce could play in the OF, they could essentially rotate three guys thru RF and 1B, with Clement getting 30-40 starts behind the plate. Is that possible at all any longer?

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 10, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense

Pearce is pretty awful in the outfield. First base is really the only position that he can play with efficiency. I haven’t seen Clement catch, but I wouldn’t be against giving him time behind the plate. Doumit looks completely uninterested after the latest batch of trades, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s dealt in the off-season.

by jar75 on Aug 10, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

Clement’s knees will hold up as more than a once or twice a week catcher honestly. At least there are some options.

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Aug 10, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as him

being a top 100 prospect, 2007 is an anomaly. I still think he should start everyday and that he can produce, it just seems less and less likely he will be given a chance.

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by Green_Wave on Aug 10, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ian Stewart and Chris Iannetta are acting very alike right now

The .229/.224 average will make you say bust, but his ISO numbers are mind wrecking, and his BABIP is abnormally low. Put their BABIP at .200 and they come out to be a .270 hitter, and that’s not even counting the power numbers they have.

Dexter Fowler

The strikeouts and passive approach annoy the heck out of me, but he’s hitting the ball more, leads a very patient Rockies team in walks, and showing the glove and speed, though UZR doesn’t think so.

Franklin Morales

He’s lost some velocity off his fastball, but he’s still a great power pitcher with plus stuff, has settled into a set-up role nicely, and is waiting for a spot in the rotation. Still has an upside of a #2 -#3 starter IMO.

Jason Hammel

A former Rays top prospect who’s fallen off the table has put together an average year. His K/9 is in career averages, but has shown extreme control with more H/9. Take away Coors numbers, and he looks like a solid #3, but in Coors, he’s terrible. If he learns to pitch in Coors, he’s probably going to become a solid starter and not a bust.

by bballrox4717 on Aug 9, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whats up with Clint Barmes he can’t buy a hit right now…..?

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 10, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think His Last 4 hits have all been homers.

Of course that’s 30+ at bats, but still.

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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ian Stewart

Stewart is absolutely a player who is no longer a prospect but who is playing at the major league level while still making significant improvements to his game.

Unlike many strike out prone power hitters who have significant limitations in terms of thier ability to make contact Stewart has quick wrists and good bat speed. The chances of him making contact more often as he matures are very good.

by MADness on Aug 24, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elvis Andrus and Derek Holland

figured id post a couple Rangers.

Elvis’ defense has been better than advertised imo. I think he was 2nd in UZR among SS last time I checked, thats awesome for a 20 yr old who still is somewhat injury prone. His hitting isnt great, but a .326 OB% is very solid and his plate discipline has been a good suprise. I expect him to develop some decent power as he’s got a sold enough frame, maybe 15 or so HR power, making him closer to a .750 OPS super defensive SS… his Renteria comparisons seem very valid and I think inserting him into the Ranger’s D has been one of the biggest reasons the run prevention has gone from worst to almost best in the AL. That cant be underrated.

Holland: Well, after pitching two of the best pitched games i’ve ever seen in his last three starts, Holland has put alot of faith in the Ranger’s faithful that he is the ace of the future. Im excited about seeing him and Anderson face off for years to come. Holland has certaintly been inconsistent and has gone through the growing pains, but its so very obvious that he’s going to be really good if he stays healthy, his stuff is electric. His secondary offerings are very, very good, he just has to continue to get ahead in the count with well located FBs. Holland, despite a 5.00 ERA on the season, has very promising peripheral numbers, the best K/BB ratio of the starters in texas, solid GB/FB ratios, the only thing is a high HR/FB rate and that is gonna go down with time as he continues to figure out how to pitch.

If I had to regrade both of them Id probably give them both A- with Holland’s grade approaching a solid A

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by blalock84 on Aug 10, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holland

“Well, after pitching two of the best pitched games i’ve ever seen in his last three starts”

Wow, they were amazing starts, but best pitched games ever? C’mon

by nyy601 on Aug 10, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He probably meant for a rangers pitcher

which in this case other than Kenny Rodgers a few times, Nolan Ryan and Kevin Brown that’s probably true.

by Hull Fan on Aug 10, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Gomez

Does anyone think that his power will ever develop? He has days where he looks like the best player in the majors and the next night he looks like a confused high schooler. I think he will be an impact player if he ever learns patience. Maybe around 26 or 27, after he leaves the Twins.

http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/

by garrioch13 on Aug 10, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No power

Been saying that since the days of Bravesin07 pimping him as the next Barry Bonds.

by nyy601 on Aug 10, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

original thread

Regarding the original premise of the thread, during the offseason we did a community ranking of the best prospects among those who had used up their rookie eligibility the year before. I’m certainly planning on doing that again this year, and I think it is going to be a very interesting group to discuss and rank, not that it shouldn’t be discussed in this thread too, of course.

by Dalman on Aug 10, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Adam Lind

I always new this guy could hit. .296 against LHP, .295 against RHP…Wow.

by Kerm on Aug 10, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris Young (OF)

Sent down to the minors today. He looked like a future 40/40 guy a couple years ago. Can he get back on track, or will he be doomed by a low BA and high strikeouts?

by nyy601 on Aug 11, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeremy Sowers

Finally starting full time and won’t be sent down since the Tribe doesn’t have much in the ways of pitching.

4 of his last 6 starts have been very encouraging – can he finally put it together, or is he really a finesse pitcher with little control?

by napes22 on Aug 11, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 more A's

Gio – He’s been throwing strikes lately, and has been very effective. Let’s see if it lasts.

Sweeney – Good glove, no power. He’s only 24 so he still has a little time, but unless he shows either more power or a phenomenal ability to get on base (either of which would have to come out of nowhere), I think he’s a 4th OF.

by ozzman99 on Aug 11, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

eric patterson

I hate to repeat myself, but this guy is just a waste of talent. You see decent major league quality players with less able to do more. the patterson brothers have to be one the biggest brother bust duos in recent yrs.

He looks totally overmatched and no clue what to do in his major callups, but continues to destroy AAA

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=2B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=452221

by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 11, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What are you talking about?

12 games and he’s a “waste of talent?” Give the guy a real chance in the majors. Babe Ruth had some pretty awful 12 game stretches.

by alskor on Aug 11, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andrew McCutchen

People were mentioning him as a speedy, above-average leadoff type not long ago.

I know it’s a relatively small MLB sample size, but he looks like a potential star to me.

by woobie on Aug 11, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

And has shown power than I thought he would though it is a small sample size.

Show me a guy whos afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time. -Lou Brock

by Green_Wave on Aug 11, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Love him. Has shown more power and less speed than I thought, but I think the speed is there.

by slickterp on Aug 11, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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