Mid Season Regrades
by cwhitman412 on Aug 8, 2009 2:16 PM EDT
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PrintI definitely remember someone doing this last year. We post players and see what someone's opinions of them are gradewise. It's good to see what opinions we have on specific guys. Controversial guys are easily the best. I'll be sure to add my input in as often as I can, and I'll even put some names in now. Definitely a fun exercise to see where different players are now. Yes, I'm rambling on.
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Simon Castro
I have as a B
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B\B-
Though I love the strikeout to walk ratio; any recent scouting reports or quotes on his stuff?
All I Have Is BA Top 30 Report
92-95 MPH FB, peaks at 98, Above average slider flashed, changeup average potential.
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Tyson Gillies
B-
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No.
As much as we’re wrapped up in some potential hype amongst the scouts, Gillies still only projects as a 4th outfielder.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 9, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
I had him as a good leadoff man coming into this year.
He’s more than proved me so far.
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Proved what, exactly?
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 9, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That He's Going To Be A Great Leadoff Hitter
I see 300/390/420 with 35+ steals a year.
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It's a possibility.
His assets are a decent eye, good contact rates, and speed. However, he’s also running ridiculously high BABIPs that wont translate to the majors. He’s going to have to keep a BABIP in Chone Figgins territory to get that line you’re talking about, and I’m not sure that’s going to happen.
As a heavy groundballer, he’s getting away with a lot more in the minors that he wont get away with against better defenses. He’s going to have to hit more balls on a line to keep up a SLG% over 400. I think his on base skills will be fine and he’ll steal a lot of bases, but I’m not sure I’m ready to lump “future leadoff” hitter on him yet. Right now he’s Ezequiel Carrera at a lower level, and nobody’s talking about Carrera to do anything but be a 4th outfielder.
We’ll see. It’s in Gillies’ hands whether he can maintain success at higher levels.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 9, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's Wicked Fast
That helps with BABIP’s. Also fielding in the minor league level sucks, so BABIPs are usually higher.
His Park/Luck neutralized splits on minorleaguesplits.com are…
0.288 0.389 0.404
Basically what I expected.
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But, again, what makes him special over Carrera?
Right now, he’s still a fringy prospect. He has a lot of talent and a lot of potential, but he’s basically limited by what he is. To put it simply, if he’s going to be limited to a role (leadoff hitter) that doesn’t make him a top notch prospect. I’m not saying B- makes him a top notch prospect, but if we’re going to consider someone in the B range, they’d better be something incredible in that role they’re limited to.
It’s possible Gillies could evolve into more than what he is, but for now he still sits in the C to C+ range for me. He’s interesting and worth keeping an eye on, but he and Carrera are about the same in my book.
Now if he can flat out play awesome center field, I’ll nudge him into the B area. ~800 OPS CFers who can dominate the position are valuable prospects.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 9, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 10, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Casey Crosby
B or Lower end of B+
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B
Lots of upside, but low level of the minors, iffy control, and doesn’t really pitch late into games just yet. Pretty easy grade IMO.
iffy control?
i think he figured it out:
apr – 15.9%
may – 14.7%
jun – 9.7%
jul – 7.6%
aug – 5.0% (just one start)
crosby is up to almost a 100 innings this year – probably be shut down soon but be allowed to work later in games next season
the K rate has been amazing all year
grade – B+…..he’s a top 50 prospect for me and very under-rated
+1
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I really don't think he's underrated
The reduction in walks is obviously a good thing, but he wouldn’t be the first electric left-hander to see that go by the wayside as he goes up the ladder.
He’s a nice prospect, but tons of risk associated with this one.
risk?
Are you saying there’s more risk associated with Crosby than other 20 year old pitching prospects, or is that just a general statement towards young arms?
To me, he’s probably the most underrated pitching prospect in baseball. Matt Moore and Martin Perez are stealing the “young LHP power arm” spotlight right now, and rightfully so, but Crosby isn’t far behind. As the above post notes, the BB rate is moving in the right direction, while maintaining the K rate. The one category Crosby stands out from Moore and Perez is GB rate, where Crosby sits at 55%. I haven’t heard much about his mechanics, so there could be risk there, is that what you’re referring to?
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by ProspectTube.com on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Ehhh
B for me. He’s not standing out like some of the other young pitchers are.
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I might be more bullish on him than most, or all
But I think he’s made a pivot into near-elite status.
His last four starts:
26 innings | 32 ks | 3 walks | 15 hits
on the year, as a 19 year old in the Sally League:
102 innings | 112 ks | 45 walks | 98 hits | 9 homers
True
He hasn’t gotten much of the press the other guys have gotten.
I kinda forgot about him.
Those last four starts can put me on that edge though.
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While I’d agree that he’s made a big recent jump, I’d still give him just a B, because he hasn’t been pitching especially great all year and the secondary stuff is still a question mark… All that being said, he could have the best FB in the Braves system. Sitting 94-95 with sink, and he’s got projectability. He could touch triple digits in a couple years.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
Agree B+
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B
Nice bat (numbers translate pretty well to any environment), but still an A baller who is confined to 1B/LF . . .do you really want to bet on the bat that much? I don’t see any reason to do so.
mle
His MLE is actually really strong for an A ball guy, I think the bat is going to be solid. But the question is . . .is he a 60 contact/60 power guy, or is he more than that? Given his defensive limitations, that makes all the difference in the world when you’re projecting his future.
Agreed
I think, as he moves up we’ll see the power increase and the contact decrease. But I’m still wondering why he hasn’t been moved up yet.
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he's had injury problems in the past
so they’re going slow with him. He really should have been moved up a month and half ago, since his numbers are pretty much equal to what Sandoval put up last year.
Also, his defense is very good in the OF. His arm is definitely a plus, and from what I’ve read, he could play an adequate RF if needed.
good to know about the defense, I wasn't aware
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B
B- might be a bit harsh. Age relative to league is extremely good, and he’s not FAILING.
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Age relative to league doesn't apply as much to pitchers.
If you can get people out you can get people out, doesn’t matter what your age is. It’s not a matter of anything but pitching skill and talent. You either have the stuff to get people out or you don’t. Experience and development help, but in the end, you still have to be able to do it.
Now, an 18 year old dominating Triple A? That’s age relative to league significant.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 9, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Right On Edge
Between B+/A-
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Actually Yeah, B+
Injury holds him back.
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Actually, I'm 95% sure that injury was fabricated.
But still, yeah.
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Still
If he kept playing he’d secure that.
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it isn't a long term career injury, if it even exists
so why would it hold him back?
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Agreed, B-/B
Doing extremely well in short season ball and he’s only 18.
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C+
High BABIPs, low ISO, not a great walk rate. I don’t see what’s special about him.
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b- works
gotta consider he plays good defense at SS too. that in itself has value.
flashed big power last year in a very tough hitters park in wilmington, so maybe there’s more…
might even go straight B but i’m a homer.
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Derek Norris
B/B+ Prob closer to B+
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Ross Seaton
B. Been overshadowed by Lyles way too much.
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Devin Mesoraco
C+, w/ chance to end at B-
I’ll probably be the only person in the world to still believe in this guy; his BABIP has been brutal (276), his walk and k rates are reasonable, and he’s improved each month (271/330/458 splits in July). Neutralizing park and luck at minorleaguesplits gives him a 279/356/455 line for the season. I’d like to hear a recent report on his conditioning, however.
Ehhhh
C/C+ with breakout potential.
Even if his walk rate is up, his K rate did too.
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C
And I didn’t need to think more than half a second on that one.
half a second
is that an endorsement of your grade?
fine
He couldn’t hit, he still can’t hit, his defense is mediocre at best, his tools are nothing special.
If he had gone to college, where would he project to go in next year’s draft? My guess is somewhere after round 5, maybe before round 10 to somebody who really liked him in high school. And how many guys in that range do you know of who rate any better than a C grade, even the good ones?
It Depends
Maybe he wasn’t prepared mentally for pro ball.
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I thought his athleticism and tools were what shot him up the draft charts — didn’t he have like an awesome workout or two?
I know he got pegged for spending his bonus money on milkshakes, but he’s a cold player ball who missed time in high school with an injury; he’s going to be a slow developer. He’s just someone that people have taken an irrational disliking to, and I think poor luck has masked some actual improvement in his offensive game this year.
yeah
Supposedly he was a really good athlete in HS, but his baseball tools weren’t anything out of the ordinary IMO. Didn’t project as more than an average bat, defense was a question mark, plate discipline okay but not plus.
I think the conditioning thing might’ve been a little overblown, really . . .but it’s not a good thing when people are questioning your dedication when you aren’t producing. He’s played parts of 3 minor league seasons now and the best production he’s posted was a .261/.311/.399 line. The only reason you’d think this guy is any more than a C prospect (or why you’d spend more than half a second thinking about it) is because somebody had the bad luck of picking this guy in the first round a couple of years ago.
I didn't draft him myself
but I picked him up for free about a month ago when someone dropped him in my league - not someone I’m putting much hope into, but a dude that I’ll stash away for awhile, and who I think has a chance to be putting up surprisingly decent numbers in AA or AAA in a couple of years
He was an excellent prep athlete
Very good basketball player and running back until he stopped playing football.
One thing to consider with Mesoraco, though I’m not its merit two-plus years into a pro career: For the most part, he played against HORRIBLE competition in high school — even Division II players are a rarity in that part of NW Pa. — and probably didn’t see good pitching until he began making the camp/AAU circuit.
Matt Moore
B+ right now, if he finishes the season strong A-.
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Agree
B+/A-
Him and all those high strikeout low A guys.
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Agreed here.
A- if he finishes strong.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
B+
Love Moore, but there’s no way I’m giving an A/A- to a guy in Low-A with control problems, lessen they have all world stuff.
Even at his best...
3.5BB/9 in Low-A doesn’t look like an A- prospect to me.
+1
Performance is one factor for speculating on a guy’s future value, but I get puzzled by how often it is introduced as some kind of open-and-shut argument, as though one should grade and reward prospects for how they’ve already performed, as opposed to the possible performances they project going forward.
yea, as good as he's been you have to consider he's in low A
and control problems are a big deal if you are in Low A. He’s walking around 5 per 9, thats just not good.
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"a big deal if you are in Low A" ???
what, you’d rather him be in AAA and still struggling with control ? your statement makes no sense.
also, he pitched 15.2 IP in April and 19.2 IP in May, in which his BB% was 23.5 % and 17.5% .
then he pitched 27.2 IP in June and 32.2 IP in July in which his BB% was 8.6% and 9.9%.
for all of last season, he walked 8.6%. you tell me which 2 are the outlier months.
Brad Lincoln
B-, though I might bump that up if he misses more bats in AAA from here on out
B
Definitely a post TJ sleeper.
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Casey Kelly
is also a B+/A-
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B+/A- at Pitcher
C+ at SS
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I'd go more B+
stunning results, but the reports I’ve seen attribute it more to pitchability and poise than pure stuff. His fastball is like 88-91, right? But, he seems to have a frame that can handle more projection. The positional aspect, and the mid-range heat keeps me a little softer on this guy than the norm, though I do think he’s a very good prospect.
Stuff
He’s in that range, although it’s a deep sinker. He also has good control for his age and a big curve.
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James Darnell
B
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Carlos Rivero
C with potential. Anyone else have him higher? I saw good things for him entering this year.
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I could buy C+
but I was pretty high on him going into this year. He doesn’t K too much, good BB/K ratio, his BABIP is low-his park/luck adjusted OPS ends up at .721-good but not great. Probably comes down to how he’s looked defensively at SS and how much you believe in the bat.
RIP Nick Adenhart
alot of indians officials and scouts have said that his defense has really improved. Likely to stay at short and might even be plus there.
He’s come around since the all star break with a .800+ OPS. I wouldn’t be surprised if he repeated AA next year, so he can make some more adjustments at the plate.
Thanks for the info
If he’s likely to stick at SS, then I think C+ is probably still a good grade for him. The plate discipline is there and he’s been a bit unlucky. The bat still holds lots of potential, but an above average SS with an OPS in the 750 range is still pretty good, especially when he has the chance to end up much higher than that.
RIP Nick Adenhart
Santos Rodriguez
C+/B- with potential. He’s been dominating when he’s pitched although lousy control. He’s been moved slowly but he has totally killer stuff. 6’5’’ 180 LBS and already throws 93-95 with sink and a good slider.
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Wilson Ramos
B-, waiting to see some patience
Agree
He’s been hurt this year, right?
He’s walking a ton less and striking out a ton less. Both half as much as last year.
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Dewy Finn
A-, needs to work on controlling his emotions
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*stabs KBR*
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right....
and you guys aren’t looking for attention lol.
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It is a joke
Dewey and myself are in a pool with cwhit and I did this as a joke. I can assure you he is not offended.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 8, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahah +1
Yeah. Me, him, Cubs, Dewey.
I’m actually in like 4 leagues with cubs.
Poor me :(
JK Man.
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I'm sure it
But its still really annoying to everyone else… Look at me rate myself… Seriously?
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This Proves His A-
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/12/25/701938/dewey-s-sleeper-arms-for-0
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VD said it best in that thread
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Still, Coming Into The Year
Who was that high on these guys.
Lyles I wasn’t too much of a fan.
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Take it back
I didn’t read VD’s statement entirely. I thought he said they weren’t sleepers, not that everyone had arms like them.
I do give him credit for making the post, but these were three highly touted guys before they even played an inning.
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King Billy Royal
A++++++++, This guy has more potential than Strasburg!!!! ;)
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Cwhit!!!!
You are killing me buddy!!!!! I will post some grades for you when I get back later tonight.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 8, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
One Better Be On My Awesome Trade
And I’m not talking about A-Gonzo >.<
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 8, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
B For Now
He hasn’t played enough. If he stays hot and improves numbers or keeps the same or has a good debut in A+, he’ll get the B+
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B
Too raw at this point. But with a larger sample at this time next year it could be an A- type player.
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Exactly
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B+!
Performance is very good across the board, tools are awesome . . .certainly significant risk, but I think I’d have a hard time thinking of 25-30 guys in the minors that I want more than him.
I wouldn’t call him Grady Sizemore 2.0, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like him.
I can understand the B+
But it has only been 160 ABs. I’d like to see him keep it up.
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But he’s facing competition appropriate for his age, he’s showing a broad base of skills, translating them into production in just about every facet of the game, and has ridiculous tools. Usually I’m pretty conservative with grading, but I think Westmoreland is a winner.
Yonder Alonso
B
Can’t go higher until he looks like more than a platoon star
Agree B.
But on lower end.
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Thanks.
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A-
I don’t see how he can be a straight A until that K rate goes down.
Was a B+ until lately.
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it's getting under control
in AA, before all – star game:
21 k / 3 walks in 60 appearances (767 OPS)
after all-star game:
17 k / 14 walks in 95 appearances (1.068 OPS)
hmm
Probably a B+ thanks to the late run . . .but still a good chance he ends up being an average 1B all things considered (I have no faith in him staying at 3B), I could understand a B.
Fortunately his one tool that’s truly excellent is the one that he’ll need to make it in the majors.
A-
needs to improve defense. A lot of people seem to think he is going to have to move to first. I hope not though.
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B+
The strikeouts and possibility he moves to 1B keeps him from the A range
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by OldProspects on Aug 8, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He's answered most of the questions about his bat.
But we’re learning more and more about the importance of defense. And he’s not very good at it. A- for me.
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B
Woulda liked his average up higher this year, but he has a huge walk rate, decent K rate, and great power.
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B
If you are grading May/June, its a B+, if its April/July/Aug, its C+/B-, so B falls in the middle. Power is coming along, batting eye is great and K rate is relatively low all things considered. Plus, when your BABIP is .111 (April) or .071 (Aug), that’s just way too unlucky.
A- Easily IMO
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A-
I’ll be interested to see how his fastball progresses, though.
hit 96 mph in his last appearance although it was a relief outing
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
yea, he sits 93-94
in recent starts according to a couple people at games
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I was a little unclear . . .Perez isn’t a big guy and is very young. The fastball looks great for now but the pessimist in me reminds me that this may well be the hardest we see him throwing. Not uncommon to see young pitchers lose a bit of arm strength, or to see their stuff level out a bit.
On the bright side, Perez is just pretty much good at everything else too.
A-/A
Probably closer to A. I think Montero, Heyward, Stanton, maybe Bum would get the A’s.
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Montero
I don’t think I’d go straight A until he had a position.
Montero = My #2 Prospect
Best pure bat/power in the minors now.
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Santana
He’s in the class right behind the Heywards and Monteros of the world.
A-
Ehhh...B
He still hasn’t done well in AAA yet.
Let’s not even talk about majors yet.
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I'm fine with that
He’s getting his first MLB start tomorrow. The sample size in AAA and the MLB is very small. His K rate has held up, and has a very high BABIP in AAA (.406).
I’m not sure if he’ll be a starter long term, but he’s had a pretty good year.
B-
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dan duffy and mike montgomery
what do you guys think?
i give montgomery a B+ and Duffy i think a straight B for now.
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I'd say thats about right.
I like Duffy, but I think his FB gives him a limited upside.
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B+
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The Black Deer
A-
CC has become a strange obsession of mine. I always have to check his stats and then look back at that killer porn stache he sports. I should attended CC mancrush anonymous.
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 10, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
B+/A-
It is hard for me to give a 1B type an A because of the limited defensive value they bring.
If Carter continues to cut down the SO, and puts more balls in play like he is currently, I think he is easily an A-. If though, his SO rate regresses he’ll be more of the B+ for me.
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not necessarily
I mean, if we knew someone was going to have Edgar Martinez or David Ortiz’s career, we’d give them a flat A, DH or not. A future DH has a limited range of ways he can help a team, but that doesn’t limited his offensive upside, it just means it ALL has to come from the offensive side of things. Carter is a B+ for me, but if he rides this wave he’s on, I think he’d have to be an A-, because it’d mean he’d broken through to be a pretty great all around hitter. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some Travis Hafner-esque years from Carter, but he still seems like he could bottom out as well.
I was semi joking.
hes not an A+. But hes prob an A-. If he actually got good with the glove at 1B somehow he would be an A/A+.
No?
Whats not to like? You dont like his 920OPS in over 500 career minor league games? His 39 HRs last year? His mych improved walk rate this year? I mean yeah he strikes out. But what power hitter doesnt out side Pujolos?
The fact that he'll probably be a DH
That’s what’s not to like. He has a lot of offensive upside but he strikes out a lot and won’t give any defensive value.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 9, 2009 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Playing it and being effective there are two different things.
The A’s have played Jack Cust in the OF before. That doesn’t make him more valuable if he plays it terribly.
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Of course.
But Carter is a much better athlete than Cust. Plus I hear he has a pretty nice arm for RF.
Carter made the "toughest jump"
From A to AA and IMPROVED his K rate and BB rate greatly. He doesn’t strike out that much anymore, and he’s walking a lot more. I knew he was good at making adjustments, but what he’s done is really incredible. I’ve learned not to doubt him ever again.
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39 HR in the Cal League isn't that impressive.
His 2009 numbers are, though. Texas League average hitter is .269 / .343 / .395. He’s hitting when others aren’t. That’s something to take into consideration.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 11, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to minimize the importance of environmental factors
But 39 home runs over the course of a season on the surface of the moon would impress me.
Ironic.
I hear they’ve discovered Green Cheese in Lancaster.
But, seriously, 39 HR in the Cal League is probably equal to his power numbers this year. It would be irresponsible to take it at pure face value. We have to consider park effects and league weaknesses when making assessments. Thus, his Texas League numbers speak volumes while his Cal League numbers don’t.
Though, really, this is just splitting hairs. He’s a good prospect. Probably not as good if he’s only a 1B / DH, but still good.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 14, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim Mellville
B-, though I think next year he breaks out to B+ territory
john gave him a straight B last year
do you think he has gone down a bit? decent performance + good scouting reports. and the strikeouts have shot way up in the second part of his season.
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I would've given him
a straight B- coming into this year, and he’s held steady for me. I might be a little disappointed, because I thought he’d be a breakout guy this year (since he seemed to regain his stuff right before the draft), but as you said, the increasing k rate is encouraging. I wouldn’t argue much w/ a B.
So do you stick at a B
for Melville, or do you think he’s moved up to B+ territory. How do you stack up Montgomery/Melville/Duffy?
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yeah a B for melville from me
Montgomery-Melville-Duffy is my order of those three.
love duffy, but he doesn’t have the same upside as the other two.
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NOT A PROSPECT ANYMOREEE
Otherwise that’s totally underrating his ability.
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i contemplated being “that guy” and making a thread about how bad he’s been. but i didn’t.
after watching a few times i just don’t see an out pitch. good fastball, commands it well too. but the changeup is average at best, and the breaking ball is pretty slurvy.
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the slider is good, 85 mph average velo (fangraphs), nothing slurvy about it. if anything its more cutter than slurve.
the changeup, unfortunately, is also 85 mph, and is a below average pitch.
I think he's tired
When he first came up, the slider was a lot sharper, and the fastball exploded out of his hand. Now, it seems to slow down as it gets to the hitter. I think we need to either go to a six-man rotation or think about shutting him (and maybe Cahill) down.
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 9, 2009 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions
How bad he's been?
He has an FIP in the mid 4s. That’s basically average, and quite good for a rookie.
His BABIP has literally been the highest in the majors, by a huge margin, during the last month.
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Over his last six starts
Mazzaro has struck out 19, walked 14, and given up 7 homers for an FIP of about 6.60. I think you’re right that he’s a fine pitcher who’s done a fine job over-all this year in the majors and might have a long career as a fine #3/#4 starter (somewhere between Joe Blanton and Dana Eveland maybe?), but he’s had a pretty harsh month
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by OldProspects on Aug 10, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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B. I can’t put him at a B+ when guys like Santana, Montero, Posey are in the B+ to A- range. I feel that he’s a notch below them,
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Jefry Marte
What grade would you give him at this point?
I might go with a C
All potential, more questions than answers.
C
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Straight B – too high?
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
Agree, B
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I'd stick with the A. Maybe an A-
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by OldProspects on Aug 8, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you stick with A?
Just want to know your reasoning. From what I have read (wish I could say see) his stuff isn’t living up to the pre-season hype.
The reason I thought he deserved an A coming into this year
was that he was an 18 year old who had dominated A ball, had an outstanding fastball and secondary stuff that scouts felt would eventually develop into being excellent. That appeared to be a guy with a serious chance to be an ace. This year, at 19, he’s done very very well in A+ and AA, though his K rate has declined somewhat. His statistics are still about as impressive as any pitching prospect in the game once age is considered (though age matters less for pitchers, there is still a natural improvement curve for young players that he has only begun), his fastball is still there (that one start notwithstanding), and his secondary stuff is still developing. The declining K rate is to me a small concern, but for a 19 year old in AA I can deal.
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A-
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Maybe even B
For me.
It sounds like his defense is probably going to play, and if he can be solid behind the plate he should be able to put up a high .700s OPS, even with his complete lack of power. It will be interesting to see what he does as he goes up the ladder, but he’s starting to convince me.
Is Thole likely to stick at catcher in the majors.
If that’s the case, I’m thinking straight B if he finishes the season off strong and/or has a decent September callup.
He’s making a strong case for Opening Day catcher next year, or at least up pretty early in the season.
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B-
For me, his upside is as a second-division starting catcher. He’s hitting for a great average, and his defense has improved, but I don’t see much in the way of secondary skills. What if he hits 280 instead of 320 in the majors? I think we’d be looking at a 280/310/400 line, or a late career LoDuca. And Thole is no one’s idea of a defensive presence either. I think he’s a guy one should be careful not to over-reward for a good season, ignoring what kind of player he projects to be. I think he’d have to be a 300 to 310 hitter in the majors to be above average overall.
Much higher OBP
Look at how good his plate discipline is. If he could hit .280/.350/.400 that would be an above average starting catcher, and he could do better than that.
I don't know
Neutralizing his ballpark and BABIP, minor league splits spits up this line so far: 276/356/366.
That’s better discipline than I’m giving him credit for, but it’s no one’s idea of a strong offensive force. It depends on how much projection one sees in him. The MLE of his current, un-adjusted performance, is 260/318/338, which isn’t far from what I see him as being.
So you don't think he'll improve at all between now and then?
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B-
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Gotta be at least a C+ now right? Maybe a B-?
B-
Just because of production. You can’t block that.
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Christian Friedrich
B+
Rockies best prospect if Chacin happens to lose eligibility?
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Nice!
I have him in my keeper league and have been trying to temper my enthusiasm. So question here, I have heard mixed reports on the fastball, but everyone says his curveball is great.
Also, any word on a change up or other third offering?
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4 pitchers
Friedrich, to my knowledge, throws FB, Change, Curve and Slider with FB/Curve being the two primaries. On pure stuff, I think he’s close to Matsuz but without the same command.
A-
Killer curve, fastball seems to have progressed from draft time. Wouldn’t blame people for waiting until AA or higher to make the jump from B+ to A-, but I’m already a believer.
B+
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Desmond Jennings
A-
Plate discipline and premium position have to help here.
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A-
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Ethan Martin
B or B-
he needs have better control but that will come with experiance.
B Easily
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Hudson B, Danks B
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Hudson
B+
Im going to give him an aggressive grade b/c he has pitched at 3 levels and has seemingly gotten better at each level pitched.
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B+
Hudson’s been as good statistically as any pitcher in the minors. and he’s done it while going from A to A+ to AA and now AAA. Reports have him increasing velocity and looking sharp with his secondary stuff. You’ve got to give him a B+ at this point.
Both B's
Hudson meteoric rise is impressive, but I haven’t heard any reports about increased velocity. Though, better secondary stuff may be good enough. I’d like to see him get a shot to get more than one go round in a league before i bump up the grade.
Danks B is pretty much self-evident (IMHO)
Hudson throws in the low-mid nineties
Got up to 96 in his AA debut, 98 on a hot gun. So take that for what you will.
And, to be honest, I’m not sure how long he stays a prospect if you want to see him repeat a level.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 11, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Never heard more than 90-94, but could be wrong.
And I don’t want him to repeat a level, I want him to get around the league more than once. One problem with people who fly through systems is that there is a certain lack of exposure among the league. Therefore, if you don’t face the same opponenet a couple of times, the scouting may never catch up to whatever change you made to dominate them the first time. Hence the statement proverb dealing with “scouting catching up to you”.
Well, the next time he'll go around more than once in a league will either be AAA or the AL.
And yeah, he reached 96 but he pitches in the low nineties mostly.
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Brett Lawrie (2B-MIL)
B+. Position was the biggest question coming into this year for Sickels, and since then, he has again switched positions. But his bat has been almost as good as advertised and his speed has been a welcome surprise. I could even see A- given the dearth of other 2B prospects.
And also, what about Zach Braddock? He’s pitching in relief because of the injury history, but the numbers are absolutely disgusting. If he goes back to starting next year, could he be a B-/B? Lefties with his build and arsenal are few and far between.
Ehhhhh, B
Not mashing, and sucking at fielding.
Not ready for B+
Braddock about B-
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Lawrie v. Beckham
Who is the better high school-drafted hitter? Most would still say Beckham should be a B+ and he is doing worse, both offensively and defensively. Lawrie’s hit/power tools are unparalelled at his position, and now he’s adding plus speed to the equation. I just don’t see how he isn’t at least a B+.
I'm Not High On Beck At All
I have Beck B also. Not very high on my list at all.
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Brandon Allen (1B-ARI)
B+?? He’s been absolutely tearing it up since he went to Arizona, and while he hasn’t shown the speed I expected to see this year, the spike in average as well as the application of his raw power has to account for a hike in the grade.
B+ Def
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Arrieta
B-
Does great in the first few innings, then plummets. sadly he is starting to look like a future closer
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Eh, he looked pretty good today
6 IP, 6 hits, two earned runs, no walks, two hit batters. And he didn’t worsen at the end; he gave up both runs in the third and then came back for three scoreless frames, including two 1-2-3 innings.
Ugh, B
I was high on him coming into the season. Saw potential for him being the best of the three. That’s not happening now.
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Ehhhh...B
He doesn’t stand out to me.
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B
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B-/B
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Haven't Heard Of Him
Report anyone?
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He is
a young 2B in the Mets system. He has put up very solid numbers but he does K to much. .296/.359/.498 is his line since being drafted.
Yadi is my hero
I want to see what he does in full season ball
Before I go that high.
C+
Not enough action, college guy in low A
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Agree, B-
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B-
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+1
I could be convinced he’s a borderline B as well.
Anthony Rizzo
B-/B
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B
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B-
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Jk. You know I <3 ya.
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B
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B is about accurate
I want to see more in AA before I make any higher judgment.
C.J. Retherford
C+
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Wilin Rosario
C+/B-. Really young for level, and not totally destroyed there.
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Kyle Skipworth
C/C+
How far did he fall?
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C
Very young, but this year has been an utter disaster for him. His bat is what’s going to carry him, and there’s nothing there right now.
Of course, grades for young players are volatile . . .but he doesn’t look like a guy who was drafted in the first round last year. He looks like a guy who still might’ve gone in the first few rounds, but if you went any higher on C on one of those guys, it’d be due to performance. Skipworth’s performance this year has been horrendous.
Alex Torres
B-/B.
He needs more credit.
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Wynn Pelzer (RHP-SD)
Interesting arm. Good velocity. Good K rate and ratio. Only questions whether he’s a reliever or starter, but San Diego seems committed, so far, in keeping him in the rotation. B-? C+? C?
C+/B-
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Three Phillies Guys
Brown – A-
Drabek – A-
Taylor – B+
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Tim Collins
B-
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Henderson Alvarez
B-
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Robbie Ross
B-/B
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its hard to go higher than B- with a pitcher at SS A, but his numbers have been so ridiculously good
its kind of amazing. His GO/FB ratios are just insane and his K/BB are almost as insane. Im excited to see what he can do in full season, but i dont think you can give him a better than B- grade
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Tim Beckham
B
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Julio Morban
B-
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Alex Liddi
C+
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I can see that
given how he performed last year, and the fact that his 1.033 ops this year is in the Cal league, but I’m hoping to see that his improvement from last year is real when he’s bumped to AA.
That's pretty much my grade for him right now, too.
Got to get him out of High Desert and see if he’s legit.
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Angel Villalona
B+
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Really? I'd put him at C+.
Huge holes in swing. Pretty much literally doesn’t walk. Below average defensively. All he’s got so far are tools and age. A prospect needs to actually perform before they reach high B grade IMO.
"We were shit, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
That line is really bad
And the K-rate and BB/K make him look like a huge bust candidate.
Agreed.
+1
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I've already complained about the classification of Villalona as having "tools"
He actually doesn’t. He has “tool”— power. That’s really it. He’s mediocre at contact hitting and bad to awful at all the other traditional tools.
He’s coasting at a B- for me right now, but clearly closer to the C range than to a straight B.
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Daryl Jones
B-/B
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Austin Romine
B
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Andrew Brackman
C
IMO won’t get out of A ball at this rate.
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I'd totally Agree With That.
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he can always play Baketball..
oh, wait, he sucked at that, too.
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Revere/Hicks
B
B-/B
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Michael Inoa
C+?
Solace: Law says he's a fourth OFer
PaulThomas: I think Keith Law is only a fourth analyst
C
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we have nothing to grade off of
still give him a B-, maybe a C+ because of injury.
Revere: B/B- and Hicks: B
Hicks: going to have to start showing some more power soon, having some bad BABIP luck
Revere: it’s looking more and more everyday that he has Juan Pierre-upside.
Brian Dopirak
C+
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I'd definitely go B+
He’s vulnerable against lefties and strikes out a lot, but the same can be said about a lot of first basemen around the league.
he isn't bad agaisnt lefties, he can't hit them at all.
I think that makes him a B or a B-. That could lead to a career platoon, which isn’t a good thing.
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I'd still give him a B/B+
and if he and Nick Evans combined to form one baseball player that could hit lefties and righties, it’d be an A.
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B
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+1
Unless he cuts down on the strikeouts, he won’t succeed as he moves up the ladder.
well, compared to last year he has...
but he’s still a C+
i don’t think he’ll be able to do it in AA or AAA without drastically cutting down on his power numbers.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 9, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
C+/B-
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I'm fine with that.
His bat has been better than expected.
i'd consider a B
shouldn’t be punished just because he was overdrafted. still a talented prospect.
baseball rules.
+1
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+1
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hosmer
tough case. stats really aren’t there, but i’ve heard/read nothing but glowing scouting reports for the most part. everyone that sees him comes away impressed. maybe B, maybe B+.
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B
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B
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If moustakas is a B
then Lambo is a B+ for sure
same age while Lambos in AA and moustakas is in A and Lambos STILL putting up better stats
Andrew Lambo
B i think is perfect…full season in AA at 20
B
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Tabata
B+
This may be a bit much considering the power isn’t there. Still,. he’s killing the ball as a (supposed) 20-year old in Class AAA.
B
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+1
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+1 B-
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B
He’s improved a lot in A+ Stockton.
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by Threepwood XX on Aug 10, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Corey Brown is a clear grade above Desme in my book
And as much as I like him as a prospect, I can’t see him getting a B+. Which relegates Desme to B-.
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I tend to agree
Do you know anything about Brown’s injury situation, though? Is it a bunch of random flukey injuries that keep him out of so many games or does he have a recurring thing going on?
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Would appreciate some grades on some Yanks....
Zach McAllister, Manny Banuelos, Arodys Vizcaino
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Alright
McAllister – B
Banuelos – B but higher than McAllister
Vizcaino – B-/B cause of low level but could easily surge next year.
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Abner Abreu
B-
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Lonnie Chisenhall
B
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I Don't Think He's B+ Caliber yet
Next year he could though. He couldn’t keep his average high enough. I know he’s young, but if he finishes the year with a good BA/power at AA, he’ll be B+
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Beau Mills
Down to a C+ for me.
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Caleb Gindl
B-
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Not A Fan
C+/B- to me. I just don’t see him doing much at the major league level.
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Perfectly fair
As I said, I’m feeling bullish. But discipline like that at such a young age, combined with the fact that he’s actually starting to use his speed in game situations, suggests he could be Luis Castillo without the extreme steals totals and with more power plus the ability to play shortstop. He’s only 19 and performing well at Double-A.
I'd go B-
His ceiling is probably .300/.380/.420 but I really like him and I can’t even see him reaching that (MAYBE once in his peak). That’s a really good player if he can play great SS defense, but I think it’s much more likely that he becomes backup MI (which is still a good major leaguer). He could probably have a couple good years as a starter, maybe at .280/.350/.390.
For sure
That’s a really fair assessment. I think he’ll be able to be a consistent .350 guy, and probably better, considering his discipline at only 19. Moreover, considering his age and his work ethic, he’s likely to fill out a bit at least, providing him with more power to keep pitchers honest. Good on base skills combined with solid middle infield defense aren’t exactly easy to come by.
But again, as I said, I’m feeling bullish today.
It’s really hard to say what he’ll become, given his age and level. If the Mets didn’t push their players so hard we might be able to assess him better.
Logan Schafer
B-
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Evan Anundson
B-/B
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Jason Castro
B
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yeah
B+ for sure. He is looking like a very good defensive catcher at least as far as throwing out runners goes. And offensively he’s got a good chance to be solidly above average for a catcher.
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Hector Gomez
B-?
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B-/B
I like him a lot due to he’ll be a fantasy stud. Good defense too.
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Adam Milligan
B-? He has been crazy thus far
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I don’t know much about him.
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
BABIP, K/BB ratio, and sample size
He’s a nice sleeper to watch based on the power numbers so far, but I think you’d be getting ahead of yourself to give him a “solid B”. His K/BB ratio is pretty poor for a 21 year old in low A ball, there’s obviously no way his .400 BABIP will continue, and as a corner OF he’s not providing any sort of positional adjustment value.
A-/A
That one outing made me go gaga over him.
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A-
Unreal potential to be a guy racking 8-9 K’s per start.
by ChalupaCabrera on Aug 9, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
More Like C+/B-
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I have a hard time going that high
He’s age appropriate, and his numbers are mostly BABIP driven. I could do C+, but I don’t think he’s close to a B-.
A
I don’t think anyone gets an A+
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C+
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B-/B
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B/B+
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A-
I think he has a hybrid of Tony Fernandez and Omar Vizquel’s careers — not quite the hitter Fernandez was, but a better fielder and more longevity. Not quite the fielder Vizquel was, but a better hitter, similar runner, and similar (but not likely equal) longevity. He’s not the anchor of anyone’s lineup, but he’s a championship caliber shortstop when his whole game is considered.
+1
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I think I'd stick with a straight B
but I could see how you lean towards the B+
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B/B+
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Tazawa
I’d put him at a A-. Looks like a safe bet to have some success in majors. Looked good in debut.
If we're using John's rating system
A- means a lot more than “some success”.
Josh Thole
B-, B if he continues to improve his power and defense.
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+1
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Reports on his defense have been encouraging
Though I’m waiting for the slew of reports that are going to come in at the end of the year before I really pass judgment.
Taylor Green (3B-MIL)
Still questions about long term position because of the amount of power implicit with being a 3B. Good glove. Good average. Is he a Casey McGehee with better speed?
B- just becase he’s holding his own in AA and he is still pretty young.
C+/B-
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Josh Vitters (3B-CHC)
B/B+? He has shown a complete disregard for plate discipline but he could ultimately win a batting title. I have to admit, I don’t like him as a prospect because of said lack but he still excites the North Siders. Also, is he injured? He’s absolutely fallen off the face of the planet.
B
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B/B-
I don’t like him. He aspires to be Jeff Francouer.
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What I don’t understand is how he gets by without showing any discipline. I thought Chicago’s system stressed OBA over BA. But again, does anyone have any input on what his status is? He hasn’t been in a box score in awhile.
to be fair
I have my own concerns on Vitters. I think he’s probably a B+, as he did put together a fairly solid line at MWL, even if it was streaky. That said, to be fair, most reports indicate that he has had good plate discipline, at least, in Peoria (not enough sample at Daytona yet) in regards to pitch recognition. I know it’s hard to believe, and I swallowed hard as I typed this, but that’s what most of the reports indicate.
Btw, yes, he’s injured. Hand, I believe, though I don’t recall exactly right now.
Nick Schmidt (LHP-SD)
Hasn’t dominated, but has definitely raised his grade. B- if you think he deserved to be a 1st rounder in the first place, C+ if you still have questions about health and velocity.
C+
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Robbie Grossman
B-.
Would like to see fewer strike outs but he is a 19 year old producing with a good OBP (.380 range) at A ball
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+1
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He's striking out a ton
and doesn’t have a lot of power. That OBP is helped a lot by a .412 BABIP – if it goes down to even .360, then his OPS will be in the .630 range
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Mark Rogers (RHP-MIL)
As you can probably tell by now, I’m a pretty big Brewer homer. Thus, my opinion on this cat is probably a bit skewed by the Krazy Killer Kool-Aid I drink at Miller Park. His fastball seems to be back and he still has a good amount of youth. Pretty much, he went to college 4 years (The College of James Andrews) and is now thoroughly dominating his peers. Has to pass the AA test and complete this season in one piece before we begin to discuss his potential, but the early (or should we say late) results have been encouraging.
C+/B-? I think most know where I would put him.
C+
I don’t trust him yet.
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Jeremy Jeffress (RHP-MIL)
Does he even deserve a C? One more strike and he’s out. But he’s being added to the 40-man so he won’t be subject to the same set of testing that has given him his first two strikes. The arm is undoubtedly an A. The Head that tells the arm what to do is filled with bong resin and theories of grandeur. Still….Dwight Gooden-type ceiling.
C For Now
His control kinda got worse this year. I blame the pot.
Only half kidding.
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I think some Twins changes may be
Swarzak C+
to B-
Angel Morales from C++ to C
Aaron Hicks from B+ to B ? (actually Hicks should probably keep his B+)
Revere same ?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 9, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
Swarzak Even A Prospect Anymore?
Agree with all your changes.
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Drew Cumberland (SS-SD)
When healthy, he’s a five-tool athlete. He’s applying his speed even more this year, while proving to be a very good leadoff hitter. Could put up some very good 20/20 seasons at PetCo and most Padre faithful would have him atop their future lineup if he could just stay healthy for one full season.
B- because of the health questions, but there’s little doubt he’s got the tools to be Donnie Tate’s best friend.
Agree
B- with potential for more.
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Daneil Gutierrez
B-
Off field trouble and some injury things, but now he’s back, and has 10 ks and 1 walk and 3 hits (no runs) in 8 innings.
Going forward, I wonder if I don’t prefer him to Duffy.
yeah
honestly on pure talent alone i’d take him over duffy quite easily. easily one of the most talented players in the system right now. a lot of people thought he’d vault himself into an upper echelon prospect this year. he’s just a risky player based on his history.
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Lars Anderson
What do you guys think about him?
Ugh, Disappointment
B still for me. One bad year doesn’t kill a top prospect.
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Joseph Dunigan - SEA
B
May be a little old but jis K rate isnt terrible, power is sick, OPS is sick and he even steals bases.
C+/B-
His numbers aren’t as good as you think.
His translated line:
0.280 0.346 0.533
Not bad, but not amazing.
I’m curious to see what happens after this year.
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
C+ sounds fair.
Someone to look at more closely, but like Alex Liddi, too many question marks regarding the Cal League’s influence.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 11, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Home/Road splits
Home: .355/.410/.757
Road: .241/.313/.441
He’s a High Desert mirage
I guess you can
call it that. But I really think he should have been promoted to AA and given a chance. Seattle can use a good CI bat.
Dexter Carter - CWS
B
What an arm! Ridculous amount od k/ip, solid ERA and WHIP. I like him to move quickly up to B+/A- within the WhiteSox org.
B-
He got traded and he’s old for the level. Great arm, but needs to prove himself at a worthy level.
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Second time I'm saying this in this thread.
Age relative to league doesn’t apply as much to pitchers as it does hitters.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 11, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Crawford
B-
Fell a little with his transition (or lack thereof) into AA…..can he bounce back?
C+/B-
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
C+
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by CaliforniaJag on Aug 10, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Alexander Perez - CLE
B/B+
Has been shaky of late but he can pitch. I like him in Cleveland’s shallow system.
B
Looking good so far.
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
"Cleveland's shallow system"?
I think most people would strongly disagree with you there
Especially After The Trades
And pitching is so deep in it.
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right
My oversight. But I still likie this kid.
Matt Dominguez
B+/A-
Surprised I haven’t seen his name on here yet. I like his second half numbers propelling him to his original status before the season.
B/B+
Agree, but he’s no way an A- caliber prospect.
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Jaff Decker
A-, but just barely. The bat’s gonna play.
B+
I love him, but let’s let him go above A ball before that. His body isn’t great, but he can hit. He’s close, but not quite yet.
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
On the Cusp
I can see the argument either way, but I’m more sure of his bat than a few more highly touted guys. I just love his skill set.
Agree About Skill Set
He looks like a 280/400/520 guy.
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Danny Valencia
B/B+
I may be high on him but I think the Twins are really messing around with this guy. I think he deserves at least a shot. I don’t know if his power will translate but he hits the ball with decent plate discipline.
B-/B
I see a good bat and not much else.
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by cwhitman412 on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Julio Teheran
C+/B-, just recently moved up from rookie ball
Not Even A Prospect
But B/B+ for me.
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B-/B Sounds About Right
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Do you really think he can cut it in the bigs with his skill set and his strikeout rate?
Because I just don’t see where he fits as an everyday player. Looks like a nice bench guy though.
He's regarded as an elite defender in CF
So if he can put up a .340~.350 OBP (which could be doable based on his walk rate) and a solid SB/CS ratio, that would make him an above average regular.
+!
Drew is a future Gold Golver. 1 scout personally told me that Stubbs was one of the 20 best defensive OF he has ever seen. He has a .365 OBP this year and it’s .367 for his pro career. I see him being a Jacoby Ellsbury lite, but with better D.
Yadi is my hero
Cool
I don’t really know that much about him to be honest, I was just looking at his stats today and saw that he was striking out almost once a game with almost no power.
I don’t doubt your assessments, I just can’t think of any other players who put up numbers like that, those kind of strikeouts combined with pretty much zero power.
I'll second this, B
Very broad base of skills with awesome center field defense. Needs a bit more development time, but hard not to like him.
B- +1
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Greg Halman
John had him rated as a straight B in the offseason.
This season has been brutal though, K-Rate over 30% and an OBP well below .300 and getting caught on the basepaths (50% SB rate, only on pace for 10 in 2009 when he had over 30 last year)
How far has he fallen, C+ now? C even?
I have him as a C+.
AAAA player all the way unless there’s a drastic change in his plate approach.
by two fishsticks on Aug 10, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions
F
He could hit 40 home runs a season and be a below average MLB player.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 11, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to drop him down to a C+ at this point.
But you can’t dismiss him entirely. His athleticism… speed, power, quickness… and he has made improvements before.
Yes, 2009 is a huge step back for him, but he’s not eliminated yet.
Actually, the overall M’s farm system went downhill this season. If I had to redo the grades now, it wouldn’t look good. Raben and Triunfel both losing a year of development doesn’t help either. A lot of the previous names are going to be booted in favor of the 2009 draftees, and if Ackley signs, he’ll make it look better.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 11, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Knapp
Where does he fall? With all the Matt Moore B+/A- love, you’d have to consider Knapp in a similar area, B+ from me, just love the K’s
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B+ For Me.
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what grade would you guys give
a few of the callups, despite their lack of prospect eligability at the end of the season:
Kyle Blanks
Alex Avila
Mark Rzepczynski
Brian Matusz
Evereth Cabrera
Garrett Jones
Anybody else you feel like adding
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Hmmm
Blanks – B – Was my grade going in and I still have faith
Avila – B- – hard to judge, but bat looks good enough
Rzep – B- – Still think he needs more seasoning, but could be an innings eater
Matusz – A-/A – Depending on how highly you do ceiling v. floor. I’m closer to an A
Cabrera – C+ – Still don’t believe in the bat. Could be a good utility guy
Jones – C/C+ – Guy filling a void for now, but I don’t see this as permanent.
Tony Delmonico
C+ on edge of B-?
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Logan Forsythe
B-/B – dependson how he finishes.
Cody Johnson?
I’ll bite the bullet and ask it, just because I’m curious as to what the opinion of him is…
I’ve done a virtual 180 on the guy this year, because he’s posted a respectable OBP, and has shown the propensity to improve, and even dominant. All that being said, I think he’ll need two years at Double-A, and even then, I’m not so sure… But he has as much raw power as anyone, and has already made huge strides just to get where he’s at, so it’s tough to discount him entirely. I think he’s a longshot (like 10-to-1 at least) but I think if he does make it, he’ll be a star. All that said, I don’t know what a grade for a guy like would even be?
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