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Dewey Finn VS King Billy Royal: Ranking the Shortstops

Dewey Finn and King Billy Royal have decided to rank the best players at each position in the minor leagues.  However, after spending days trying to come to a consensus, both men agreed that this attempt was futile.  Therefore, King Billy Royal and Dewey Finn have decided to go head to head and let the community decide who has chosen the better players at each position.  The main purpose of these lists is to generate discussion (similar to the crystal balls) so please keep the comments civil. Today we will examine the top shortstop prospects.

 The following are some important notes regarding the criteria we used to determine who is eligible:

*Current prospects at the Major League level were not taken into consideration.

*Rankings on the assumption that the player will remain at their current position long-term.

*Rankings done according to the position the player is currently playing in the minor leagues, and not necessarily the projected future position (i.e. Montero at catcher instead of first).

*Some of the prospects have been re-evaluated since the release of the DF & KBR Top 25 list.

*2009 Draftees are not eligible for the lists.

Dewey Finn:

1. Devaris Gordon - I've read a Jimmy Rollins comp, but I see more Jose Reyes upside in him.
2. Reese Havens - Current numbers don't reflect his true elite hitting ability.  Always hurt.
3. Tim Beckham - Finishing the year strong, long-term outlook is similar to Edgar Renteria.
4. Danny Espinosa - Good speed/power/def.  Must cut down Ks.  Reminds me of Ian Kinsler.
5. Hak-Ju Lee - Early scouting reports have compared him to Derek Jeter.  Still far away.

 

King Billy Royal:

1. Dee Gordon - Great speed and I love players with MLB bloodlines.
2. Tim Beckham - Former #1 overall pick looks to be like an Edgar Renteria type with more speed.
3. Reid Brignac - Major league ready player who has potential to hit 15 HR with a good batting average.
4. Carlos Triunfel - Missed most of the season due to injury he recently made his debut in AA.  Hard to believe he is only 19 years old.
5. Starlin Castro - Probably a better real life as opposed to fantasy player.  Potential to be a great defensive shortstop while contributing with the bat.

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Which list more accurately reflects the feelings of the community?
King Billy Royal's
96 votes
Dewey Finn's
48 votes

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I would just like to point something out.
*Rankings done according to the position the player is currently playing in the minor leagues, and not necessarily the projected future position (i.e. Montero at catcher instead of first).

If that’s the case, what could the justification possibly be for ranking Havens there when Flores is a much better Mets shortstop prospect? Sure, he probably won’t stay there, but Flores is at least a consensus Top 100 prospect right now, as opposed to Havens, so it could at least be defensible.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RE: Flores

.261/.302/.330

As Shania Twain would say, “That don’t impress me much”.

Obi-Wan Kenobi said to Dewey Finn: "You were the chosen one!"

by Dewey Finn on Aug 29, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

-100000

for quoting Shania Twain

by Mets2k9 on Aug 30, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah really

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Aug 30, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"back up, back up... mind ya business, mind ya business"

Ashley Banks – Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

Obi-Wan Kenobi said to Dewey Finn: "You were the chosen one!"

by Dewey Finn on Aug 30, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

clearly you are a jealous Faith Hill fan, haha

Obi-Wan Kenobi said to Dewey Finn: "You were the chosen one!"

by Dewey Finn on Aug 30, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do like the song Breath actually

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Aug 30, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the video

Obi-Wan Kenobi said to Dewey Finn: "You were the chosen one!"

by Dewey Finn on Aug 30, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never seen it, but I'll watch it tomorrow

Best tune right here, dawg: I Hope You Dance by Lee Ann Womack

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Aug 30, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flores

He almost made my list but he I need to see some results before he cracks the top 5 shortstop prospects. He should crack top 5 next year though.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 30, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

He hasn’t performed well enough to warrant top 5 consideration. There is talent there tho.

Obi-Wan Kenobi said to Dewey Finn: "You were the chosen one!"

by Dewey Finn on Aug 30, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At most other positions

I would agree.

But damn there are NOOOOOO Shortstops.

Also Reese Havens is a second baseman.

by METSMETSMETS on Aug 31, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Starlin Castro

KBR where have you heard that Casto’s defense projects to be so good. Most sources I have read on Castro seem to think he will have to move over to 2B.

by JJACK on Aug 29, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have heard that he is strong defensively

Although I admit that people are split on whether he will stay at shortstop or second. However, Cubs scouting director Tim Wlken states “He’s going to be a special player. He’s got every chance to be as good as or better than (five-time All-Star and four-time Gold Glove shortstop) Tony Fernandez.” That leaves me very optimistic as Tony was the best defensive shortstop in the AL when I was growing up. The following a few of the sources I based this on:

http://www.goatriders.org/2009-top-prospects-no-11
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081014&content_id=468878&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 29, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Thats good to see as I was worried he would be a 2B. Having drafted both Dee Gordon and Starlin Castro with late round picks in the Super Sickels Keeper League, I am hoping to see at least one of them stick at SS and live up to their ceilings. Now if only Niko Vasquez wouldn’t have flopped this year.

by JJACK on Aug 30, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI

BA just listed Castro as the top defensive shortstop in the FSL. Again, with Castro, it seems like more an issue of consistency than ability, and I think most people are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as of now.

by toonsterwu on Aug 30, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ruben Tejada > Castro.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One has tools, the other doesn't

And they’re both producing. I love Tejada, but I don’t think he has nearly the projection that Castro does.

by Fanon on Sep 8, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

KBR wins for me,

based on the inclusion of Danny Espinosa and Hak-Ju Lee.

As matter of fact, I see Hak-Ju blowing up next year and becoming an easy top 50 prospect. I love this guy.

Goddamit.

How is Peoria, IL over 3 hours away from Evanston, IL??!?!?!

I guess I’ll watch Hak-Ju when he visits Kane County.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Aug 30, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you are giving KBR credit for my picks?!?!

my feelings are hurt.

Obi-Wan Kenobi said to Dewey Finn: "You were the chosen one!"

by Dewey Finn on Aug 30, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit, hahaha

Dewey Finn fah teh win!!!!

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Aug 30, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the Vote!!!!

LOL

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 30, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dee gordon?

top shortstop prospect in all of the minors?? really??

21 year old in A ball is the top SS prospect.. and hes barely sluggging over 400…

by matthewmafa on Aug 30, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who would you have #1?

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 30, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

beckham

2 years younger and doing just a little worse in terms of average and OBP but better slugging

by matthewmafa on Aug 30, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you.

this is justin upton all over again.

disclaimer: beckham is no Upton… just noticing how the top pick in the draft has an ok 1st full-season and everyone is quick to drop him, when really… he shouldn’t be. he’s doing fine

by daveh33 on Aug 30, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gordon vs. beckham

i say right now gordon is #1 but if beckham can develop the power he is supposed to than he is the best

mlbprospectreport.blogspot.com

by kstanz41 on Aug 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slim pickings

Shortstop is weak. Some of these guys may ned up good but none of them has really shown stardom in the making yet. Mier may be too low to count yet, but I’d go with him. Hak-Ju Lee is intriguing, though.

by wobatus on Aug 30, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call on Mier

Has to at least be in the top 5

"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond

by hero66 on Aug 30, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep,

but 2009 draftees aren’t eligible for this list

by soxkid on Aug 30, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

D'oh

"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond

by hero66 on Aug 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a prospect still but

What are your thoughts on Everth Cabrera?

by ETA on Aug 30, 2009 2:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

everyone grades differently

I would have to ponder it, but I don’t really buy Dee Gordon as the top shortstop prospect in the minors. I don’t think Starlin Castro is, but comparing the two, I don’t see a substantial difference in upside (Castro’s projected to add some pop as he physically matures, IIRC, his coach predicted that he could add up to 20 pounds or so without much loss in athletic ability).

So, Gordon has speed on him, but Starlin’s producing enough at a higher level at a younger age. Starlin shows solid discipline and is largely, from what I’ve read, considered to have the better defensive upside. I’m not saying 1 is definitely better than the other, but … I just don’t know if I can buy Dee Gordon as the top shortstop prospect right now. It’s interesting that you two both agreed on that one. To be fair, though, there isn’t a clearcut 1. People can talk about Tim Beckham, but comparing the potential of Beckham to say, Hak-ju Lee, and I’m not sure Beckham is better.

Anyhow, voted KBR, despite really, really wanting to vote Dewey on this one. I really love Hak-ju Lee, but Castro’s had an excellent year when everything’s considered, and he has room to develop/grow and get better. I just have a hard time, when Castro is 3 levels higher, putting Lee in a top 5 right now ahead of him. On potential, Lee could arguably be the top guy on this list, with good defensive ability, an advanced approach at the plate, plus speed.

Gotta say, it’s really exciting that the Cubs have two top 10 shortstops.

by toonsterwu on Aug 30, 2009 3:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh a side note

Starlin was also compared to Derek Jeter by his manager in FSL this year, partly due to intangibles.

by toonsterwu on Aug 30, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Are you saying Starlin Castro is a bad defender…?

by alskor on Aug 30, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

um huh

I specifically noted that the comparison was made due to intangibles, IIRC the interview from this summer. I brought it up because Dewey noted that Hak-ju Lee was also compared to Jeter, and I thought that was an interesting side point, that both Cubs guys have been compared to Jeter before.

by toonsterwu on Aug 30, 2009 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ruben Tejada?

He has been having a great year, comparable to Starlin Castro.

"My name is Daniel Murphy and I bat 3rd."

by Celtics17 on Aug 30, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But high floor.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Aug 30, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have trouble buying the limited upside to that extent

I do think that Castro is a significantly better prospect, based on everything I’m hearing, but I keep hearing limited upside with Tejada. Considering he’s 19 and doing this at Double-A, I have a really hard time believing his upside is as limited as some would have you think. Any 19 year old has room for skill growth (which could boost both his walks and his steals totals, even if everything else remains equal). And while I realize he doesn’t have a big frame, I have trouble believing he’s not going to put on some muscle, which should boost his power to a more acceptable range. I think we’d be looking at him differently had he started the year in the FSL.

by Fanon on Sep 8, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dewey: Love the Espinosa mention!

When will people start realizing his massive potential?

by soccerman0 on Aug 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As usual, I'll split my top 10 SS from my Top 100

1.) Alcides Escobar, MIL
2.) Adrian Cardenas, OAK
3.) Tim Beckham, TB
4.) Carlos Triunfel, SEA*
5.) Wilmer Flores, NYM
6.) Reid Brignac, TB
7-10.) **

This doesn’t show my love for Triunfel so much as it does show how thin the current SS prospect is. There’s a huge dropoff after Beckham, represented by about 40 spots in my top 100 list.
*
Havens, Espinosa, Castro, and Gordon would be interchangeable in the 7-10 range.

by RedSoxFaithful on Aug 30, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

unfortunately cardenas isnt a SS

even then he doesnt have the upside of beckham

by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardenas

To be fair, he’s played a third of his games at SS this season, and can still field the position reasonably well. minorleaguesplits.com

And while he might not have the “upside of beckham”, there’s more than upside that goes into prospecting. Cardenas has already reached AAA, is still just 21, and has shown consistently improving plate discipline and gap power. In fact, I don’t think his offensive upside is all that far off from Beckham’s, and Cardenas may actually end up at a more valuable defensive position (2B, while Beckham would likely have to shift to 3B if he moves off of SS).

I’m a pretty big fan of Cardenas, I guess.

by RedSoxFaithful on Aug 30, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on?

Jemile Weeks is also in that system, and Oakland doesn’t have a long term third baseman. I think it’s much more likely that Cardenas ends up at third than Beckham.

by jar75 on Aug 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard that he likely ends up at thirdbase

And if he does, I am not sure if he has the power bat to stick there.

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-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3B outhit 2B, but based on positional adjustments, the positions are equally valuable

If you run a search at fangraphs for “positional adjustments,” you’ll find a series of Dave Cameron articles exploring this issue from last offseason.

Basically, the guys who have similar defensive skills get sorted to 2B or 3B based mostly on their height (why that happens is a complete mystery), and because taller players hit better, 3B is a better offensive position. Cardenas is 6-1 IIRC, so he’s probably closer to typical 3B height.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Big questions on power & defense and a major injury… IMO, people got overexcited when he put up some really great numbers ARL wise as a teen.

by alskor on Aug 30, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What shortstop prospect doesn't have power problems?

Beckham isn’t exactly smashing the ball and doesn’t play the position too well either. He’s more likely to stay their but I like Triunfel better.

by russak on Aug 31, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 5 games he has played this year have been at SS

Not that means anything in regards to his ability to stay there long-term, but Triunfel is playing the position now.

by jibs on Aug 31, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When was he moved?

I know that he is rumoured to be moving but I haven’t heard of it happening yet.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 31, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He played 31 games at 2B last season and almost all of them were at the end of the season.

He may not be permanently moved yet, but they were transitioning him last year and he badly broke his leg this year.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Aug 31, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilmer Flores.

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by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

Did you even look at his numbers? 3 HRs in 400+ at bats.

by russak on Sep 4, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gordon

is being seriously underrated here. The guy is/will be a stud. That being said I do think he is number 2 behind Beckham.

by southpaw360 on Aug 31, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He is underrated by the comments of people here. Sorry for the confusion of my post.

by southpaw360 on Aug 31, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming this is a response to me

No, I don’t think I am. What are you so impressed by? Why are you so certain that he’ll be a stud?

Look at Gordon. He’s slightly old for his league, and even then his stats aren’t overwhelming. Yes, he’s hit for .300 this season (which I suspect is the only reason you guys are even looking at him… I’d be interested to see what you’d have thought of him if he was hitting .299). However, that .300 average is supported by a .368 BABIP, and a 16.2% K%. While many hitters can get away with that type of K%, Gordon is doing with virtually no power.

See, here’s the thing about Gordon. In my opinion, he has exactly one plus tool (his speed). It’s a valuable plus tool to have, because it can mask a lot of other deficiencies. For instance, Gordon has used his speed this season to mask his complete lack of power, turning singles into doubles and doubles into triples and so on. That’s great, but even with that ability, he’s still looking at a .095 ISOP. And that’s going to go down as fielders improve at higher levels, since he won’t be able to cheat quite as much with baserunning decisions.

Which brings me to my next point: Despite his overwhelming speed, Gordon has been a piss-poor baserunner this season. It’s evidenced by his 73.6% SB%. Again, this is something that would in most cases be a pretty good number. In Gordon’s case, it brings up some questions, because he hasn’t shown any discretion or decision-making ability on when he should steal. Instead, Gordon has just been overpowering catchers literally whenever he gets the chance. And, while his speed allows him to do that, it doesn’t bode well for him going forward.

Don’t believe that point? Well, let’s dig a little deeper. Assuming that Gordon only stole 2nd base (a faulty assumption, I realize), we can look at how often he reached first base. We’ll call this a “first base outcome”, and calculate it simply by adding up singles, walks, and intentional walks (this doesn’t account for fielder’s choices).

By my count, he got a first base outcome 172 times. Now, since he attempted a steal 95 times, this would mean that he attempted a steal 55% of the time he reached first base. But wait! What if there was already somebody on second when Gordon reached first? In fact, Gordon had a first base outcome with runners on 59 times! This means that he had a bases-empty first base outcome only 113 times, compared to the 95 steals, which brings the percentage up to 84%. I have no way of knowing whether or not the running remained at second once Gordon reached first, so this is still a limited study, but I think it proves my point. He didn’t really make any choices about when he was going to steal, instead just attempting to run on everyone and hope that his great speed could mask that fact.

So, in terms of his offensive profile, he has an average inflated by luck, hits tons of groundballs, has no power, has poor baserunning instincts, and has poor plate discipline. While I do like his speed, that’s just not enough to mask his other flaws. He’s going to get exposed at higher levels. Note that his current luck-neutralized line is .274/.340/.362. A lot less pretty.

by RedSoxFaithful on Aug 31, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Damn, that was potent.

Good stuff, son.

Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.

by Frederick0220 on Aug 31, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I admitted that my assumptions were not perfect.
Assuming that Gordon only stole 2nd base (a faulty assumption, I realize), we can look at how often he reached first base.

However, I think the point remains, regardless. More often than not, if he had the opportunity to do so (in the sense that he was on base and the base in front of him was open), he was attempting a steal.

by RedSoxFaithful on Sep 1, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I vote for neither?

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by Brickhaus on Aug 31, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope

But I would appreciate it if you would post your top 5.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 31, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where would you rank Ian Desmond?

A very nice season in AA and AAA.

Sleeper: Lance Zadazki. Old at 24 now for AA, but patience some speed and pop. Not sure about his fielding, but I question resigning Dave Eckstein when this guy seems like he could take over 2d at least. cabrera’s nice rule 5 season may rule out ss anyway.

by wobatus on Aug 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Galvez

is also still somehat under the radar.

by wobatus on Aug 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't

Lance more of a 2nd base prospect? I know he’s played short, but I’m under the impression that most people were expecting him to move to 2nd eventually. I do like Lance, though.

by toonsterwu on Aug 31, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

current position

is what they are going by per their own criteria. I’m not suggesting Lance should be top 5, but he is a decent sleeper currently playing ss, even if he ends up at 2b.

by wobatus on Sep 1, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like KBR's list

I’d just switch Beckham and Brignac. Beckham may have a higher ceiling but Brignac has the much higher floor and his ceiling is growing. He has developed into an above average defensive SS and is showing more patience. If he can learn to hit lefties at a decent level he should end up as a 15-20 HR/.290 guy (I know BA sucks but I’m too tired to think of anything else right now) and gold glove defense.

Jennings, Hellickson, Davis, Brignac, Beckham, Moore > Your top 3

by Dbullsfan on Sep 5, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I never asked but I have to imagine...

Dewey is a Mets fan right?

Because if not I’m scared, I have Mets fan friends who aren’t this optimistic on their prospects as he is.

Btw I’d put Ruben Tejeda ahead of a few of these SS’s. He may not have huge upside but he’s doing a very good job in AA @ such a young age.

by Southwest on Sep 5, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Dewey and I are from Toronto and life long Jays fans.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Sep 5, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah Canucks

Makes sense then…

by Southwest on Sep 6, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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