Organization Top Pitcher/ Hitter
by The Gottfather on Aug 29, 2009 9:27 PM EDT
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PrintI thought it would be interesting if people would list their perosnal top pitcher and top hitter for each organization. Maybe not all of them, but a few. I think it will be interesting to not only see how different posters view each team's top guys, but even how it differs between fans of the same team. I guess the easiest way to do this would be for me to lay down a few guidelines. Let's make it any pitcher with less than 50 major league innings pitched and any batter with less than approximately 100 AB. Some of mine:
St.Louis: Jaime Garcia (I still think he'll bounce back)/ Allen Craig
Atlanta: Julio Teheran/ Heyward
Texas: Martin Perez/ Borbon?
Discuss away.
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Mets
Mejia and Davis
I am beginning to lose patience
With my personal relations.
They are not deep
And they are not cheap.
W.H. Auden
by jimduquettesucked on Aug 29, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
The Fernanchise only has 91 at-bats, so I'll go with him over Davis.
Otherwise, I agree with Mejia.
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Nats
Washington: Starsburg/Marrero
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Marrero over Norris?
Maybe, but I don’t think it’s an easy decision.
by byronlhsdrmr on Aug 30, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Crap
I forgot Norris.
That’s what I get for being exhausted.
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Baltimore
Arrieta/Bell.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
+1
I really like Alex White and think he couple make things interesting. However, for now, you have to go with Rondon.
by byronlhsdrmr on Aug 30, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
knapp is being shut down indefinitely and he’s still in lake county… he might have the most upside of any pitcher in the organization (the k-potential is there and he throws ched) but i’d like to see finish up in akron next year… if he hasn’t lost his luster in AA then i’d consider putting him at the top… but for now he’s just another high-end prospect in a suddenly very deep cleveland system
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by gorilla_baller on Aug 30, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Feliz has less than 50IP
but yeah, Perez of guys still in the minors. And Smoak is pretty much a no brainer for the bats.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Brewers
Lawrie/Braddock
The “hitter” aspect is difficult because of the Big Three. The “pitcher” aspect is difficult because….it’s so jumbled. But with Jeffress going Chong and none of the starting pitchers distancing themselves from the pack (Scarpetta/Peralta/Odorizzi/Arnett/Periard), so I went with the pitcher with the best combination of results (umm…is there ANYONE in the minor leagues with numbers like his???) and stuff (lefty with a mid-90’s FB, admittedly out of the ’pen). Good times in Brew City.
big 3?
Lawrie, Escobar, ?? Don’t you even try to say Salome.
by byronlhsdrmr on Aug 30, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Gamel
I didn’t read the “100AB” restriction. But even if all three are included, give me the AA Canadian teenager with the limitless upside.
Dodgers
Chris Withrow/ Andrew Lambo
Our hitter could have been Carlos Santana but we traded him for an aging 3rd basemen or it could have been Josh Bell but we traded him away for a Reliever.
Bitch, bitch. bitch
I love how actual Dodger fans bitch whn thier team has a chance to WIN IT ALL and Casey Blake is a solid part of that. I’ve heard this several times and I find it kinda annoying. That is ezactly what you are supposed to do with prospects when you are close to winning- get solid pieces to help you win. He’s aging but, he’s a pretty good ballplayer.
ok
you have the right to your opinion..
by matthewmafa on Aug 30, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
U too
Maybe that came off a bit strong Matt. I’m just saying that when your organization builds you a damned good team you might want to look at few things in a positive light y’know. I don’t deny that long-term Id rather have Santana than Blake too but, there’s more to it than that.
I guess I’m a fan of Casey Blake too- his skills get shit on a lot on this site- but he’s as solid as it gets out there. Us Casey’s have to stick together.
yeah
i was just noting that if we had santana, he would be number 1 and if we had bell w/o santana he would be number 1.. but i also meant to say ned sucks at making trades
by matthewmafa on Aug 30, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Sherrill
Mr. Sherrill is UNSCORED UPON in 13 games with the Dodgers- there is NO reasoning with you Buddy.
Do even appreciate that your GM went out and tried to make this Dodger team better to win a World Series this year? Or will you complain about what prospects you could have had even if the Dodgers do win it?
you dont trade santanass and bells for relievers and aging thrid basemen
you trade them for a top of the rotation pitcher…
That's if...
Someone will give you one for him. I am betting you could have packaged Santana and Bell and still come up short getting a top of the rotation starter. Oh yeah, and then you would have a hole at 3rd and in the bullpen.
I am with casejud here. You have no idea what Bell and Santana will be or do, but you do know that Blake and Sherrill will be playing in October this year.
Money and prospects are assets to support your major league team and should be treated as such.
"God, I'm from Cleveland. When is it going to be our time?"
dont forget
they also gave up steve johnson to the orioles… a 21 year old starting pitcher in AA striking out a batter a innig..
plus the fact that
casey blakes yearly end of the year slump is about to come up….
Ok
Blake has had only ONE “end of season” with the Dodgers. He had a goosd September in 2007 but, nevermind
actually its already here
hes hitting .233 in the month of august
I don't think he's arguing the acquisition
He’s arguing what they gave up to acquire them.
And it’s a legitimate argument.
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Yanks
Zach McAllister/Jesus Montero
http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com
I dont know
I might like Arodys Vizcaino better than McAllister. Talking a significantly higher ceiling.
Athletics
Chris Carter/Debate topic!
Candidates: Michael Ynoa, Fautino de los Santos, Anthony Capra, James Simmons, Tyson Ross, Arnold Leon
Discuss.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Carter?
Over Green and Wallace… I’m not so sure.
by byronlhsdrmr on Aug 30, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
have you seen carters numbers this year????
this man is a beast
by matthewmafa on Aug 30, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He has zero, ZERO!!! defensive value and...
strikeouts. All I said was, “I’m not so sure.”
Especially if Green produces some power and stays at short.
by byronlhsdrmr on Aug 30, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
State your case to back up your point, please.
He has zero, ZERO!!! defensive value
Because I disagree.
matthewpouliot - "Still not sure which is more rare: the unassisted triple play or Francoeur taking two pitches to start the AB."
by CaliforniaJag on Aug 30, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you watch him play on a daily basis?
I’ll take a guy with Thome upside over a guy with J. J. Hardy upside, regardless of defense. Give me Carter over Green any day. Wallace and Green are nice, but Carter is better.
matthewpouliot - "Still not sure which is more rare: the unassisted triple play or Francoeur taking two pitches to start the AB."
by CaliforniaJag on Aug 30, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
And Thome...
was only moved off 3rd because the Tribe picked up MAtt Williams and then Travis Fryman. Thome was never close to gold glove caliber, but I always thought he was adequate.
"God, I'm from Cleveland. When is it going to be our time?"
No one has backed up “Chris Carter is a bad defensive player” with anything substantial. Last year he had a horrible RAA at 1B, but this year it’s much better. He’s not even an average defender by any means, but “below average” is still better than “bad”. Carter can be adequate at 1B, LF, or RF.
matthewpouliot - "Still not sure which is more rare: the unassisted triple play or Francoeur taking two pitches to start the AB."
by CaliforniaJag on Aug 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd have to basically strap a frying pan to his hand and try to use that as a glove to be as bad as some people here claim
He’s a first baseman. A bad one, maybe, but a FIRST BASEMAN. Have people here SEEN some of the major league 1Bs? Jason freaking Giambi was playing first base this year.
If the Cubs can play Jake Fox at, like, 5 positions, I’m pretty sure Chris Carter has SOME value on defense.
by thejd44 on Aug 31, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude
A FIRST BASEMAN is involved in more plays than any other non-catcher in the field. I think that 1B defense is hugely underrated on this site and others.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Sep 3, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Evidence....
Per Total Zone, from minorleaguesplits.com, he is -8 per 150 gm this year at 1B.
Also fits in the scouting, as the last sentence of his BA writeup for this year was “The A’s will continue to try him at different positions, but he may ultimately wind up as a DH.”
Ynoa has yet to throw a professional pitch; not him just yet.
De Los Santos is still throwing one and two-inning appearances in rookie ball to try to rebuild his arm strength. Not him either.
I like Capra. He’s in the hunt.
Simmons’ walk rate is scaring me. I thought his strength was control? Hopefully he can turn it around, but I wouldn’t pick him.
Ross seems very inconsistent; he’ll light it up one start, then walk five the next. He seems to not really know where his pitches are going. He’s near the top, but it’s not him.
Leon has been outstanding since being moved to the rotation in Midland. Furthermore, he’s young for AA (he turns 21 in a week). His stats overall look very solid, but his rotation stats have been amazing, albeit SSS.
Going forward, I have to take Leon. I like the fact that he’s doing well against hitters a couple years older than him, is already in AA, has been unhittable as a starter, and has better control than Capra. I’d agree with Carter, and go with Leon for the pitcher.
Just a thought…relievers? Storey, Smyth, Demel, Hornbeck? I’d still take Leon, but those guys are interesting.
matthewpouliot - "Still not sure which is more rare: the unassisted triple play or Francoeur taking two pitches to start the AB."
by CaliforniaJag on Aug 30, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Simmons
Let’s hope his control issues stem from the fact that he was working on developing his slider this season. There’s literally nothing in his track record, apart from this season of course, that suggests he has anything less than plus command.
I like Leon, but I must confess I know very little about his pitch arsenal. Anyone got some info there?
by CapgrasDelusion on Aug 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
91-93 fastball with sneaky movement, good slider, developing changeup
In terms of raw stuff, it’s hard to put him ahead of any number of other pitchers in the system (many of the above, plus a few sleepers like Marks and Ronny Morla).
Where he separates himself is clearly on the performance side of the spectrum.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I thought he had a high sixties curve too
Chris Carter entered a villiage where an ogre had devoured all the crops and livestock, and Chris Carter asked the people of the village, "Have you no beasts of labor with which to pay tribute me?" And the people answered, "No, the ogre has taken our livestock," and with one mighty swing of his bat Chris Carter felled the ogre, and Chris Carter did proclaim, "Let my people be free," and it was so. - Aufheben
by designatedforassignment on Sep 1, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm inclined to go with Ross
But I may be an idiot.
"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond
The pitcher part would worry me except the A's have graduated like 5 pitchers this season
Which is, theoretically, a good thing. Sure, the system is weaker, but they shouldn’t need to have too many starters in the pipeline at the moment.
I would’ve said Simmons before the year (with the caveat that all the guys who are no longer eligible wouldn’t be), but he is doing odd bad things in AAA. Leon is an under the radar guy who I think will be in a major league uniform before most others. I’ve stated my Ynoa complaints before, and DLS has to prove he can bounce back from the TJ surgery before I rank him highly.
It’s tough. Anderson, Cahill, and Mazzaro better be pretty good next year.
by thejd44 on Aug 31, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Astros
Jordan Lyles/Jason Castro
Easy. Norris has really struggled his last three ML starts and won’t qualify by seasons end. Jio Mier is certainly playing well right now, I think he’s Houstons third best prospect right now, but significantly enough behind Castro.
Giants
Bumgarner/Posey
That was easy
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
That was easy
Is that a good thing or bad thing? Probably some of both. Great top guys, subpar depth.
matthewpouliot - "Still not sure which is more rare: the unassisted triple play or Francoeur taking two pitches to start the AB."
by CaliforniaJag on Aug 30, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That was exactly (word for word) what I was going to write! And yes, it is a good thing when both guys are in the top 10 of all prospects. Besides. we do have Neal before Zod, and hopefully Zack Wheeler next year to put some heat on our top 2.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Disagree with your second sentence
I wouldn’t put Bumgarner in the overall top 10.
matthewpouliot - "Still not sure which is more rare: the unassisted triple play or Francoeur taking two pitches to start the AB."
by CaliforniaJag on Aug 30, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
that the problem that i have… he’s still basically a fastball pitcher… let him develop his other stuff and if/when that happens then we can start talking top 10 or so
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by gorilla_baller on Aug 30, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
Feliz/Smoak and Jennings/Moore or Hellickson or Davis or whoever might have something to say about that.
matthewpouliot - "Still not sure which is more rare: the unassisted triple play or Francoeur taking two pitches to start the AB."
by CaliforniaJag on Aug 31, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Cubs
This one’s tougher than I thought it would be at the beginning of the year. Right now, Josh Vitters still holds the top hitter’s spot, but Starlin Castro/Hak-ju Lee are pushing up. Pitching wise, it’s a 3 some that tops the Cubs chart. Personally, I’d go Jay Jackson, Andrew Cashner, Chris Carpenter, but you could probably go any way and make a case.
Brett Jackson
No token mention? Some North Sider fans I know already put him above Lee and Castro and considering Vitters’ lack of discpline, are eager to anoint Jackson the future.
I'm not there yet
but sure, Jackson could fit into the mix. I would still put him as the 4th bat of our top guys, though, but to each their own.
Castro/Carpenter
I was really impressed with Carpenter when I saw him (though previous injuries are a concern), and like Castro narrowly over Vitters. Vitters is a big strong kid, with great power potential, but Castro is so toolsy all around, and a bit better hitting skills right now.
I've come around
and would go with Castro now after pondering it some more.
I still prefer Jackson over the other arms, but certainly, one has to wait and see if Jackson learned his lesson. Here’s hoping.
Twins
Valencia/ Bromberg
I’m not counting Kyle Gibson because of the fact he has yet to throw a professional pitch and Aaron Hicks blows right now, but Ben Revere is in the mix.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 30, 2009 5:09 AM EDT reply actions
This one's tough - lots of depth but no top talent
I don’t think too much of Valencia right now, but who else is clearly better? Hicks, Revere, Morales, maybe even Parmelee (as a pure hitting prospect) – no one stands out.
I’d rate Guerra higher than Bromberg right now, what with the way he’s come on in AA recently.
I was such a huge Craig Grebeck fan when I was a kid
I have no earthly idea why.
by thejd44 on Aug 31, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Tigers
Turner/Sizemore
Probably a good argument for Crosby…I don’t see much else by way of hitters though.
Rays
Desmond Jennings/ Hell Boy
Everbody's Nobody
Isn't Fernando still going to be eligible?
I’d put him over Ike.
And I’m becoming so enamored with Nieuwenhuis that I might put him over as well.
I don't think you can put New-in-house in that tier just yet.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
He's absolutely red hot, though.
And he’s climbing, for sure.
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-Tug McGraw
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