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My Top 50 Prospects


My criteria for this list is 130 AB's for position players (which is why Andrew McCutchen and his 126 AB's are on this list) and 50 IP for Pitchers.

1-Matt Wieters-C-Orioles

2-Tommy Hanson-RHP-Braves

3-Jason Heyward-OF-Braves

4-Mike Stanton-OF-Marlins

5-Madison Bumgarner-LHP-Giants

6-Andrew McCutchen-OF-Pirates

7-Gordon Beckham-SS-White Sox

8-Jarrod Parker-RHP-D-Backs

9-Tim Beckham-SS-Rays

10-Justin Smoak-1B-Rangers

11-Pedro Alvarez-3B-Pirates

12-Eric Hosmer-1B-Royals

13-Buster Posey-C-Giants

14-Yonder Alonso-1B-Reds

15-Jesus Montero-C-Yankees

16-Chris Tillman-RHP-Orioles

17-Mike Moustakas-3B-Royals

18-Josh Vitters-3B-Cubs

19-Brian Matusz-LHP-Orioles

20-Desmond Jennings-OF-Rays

21-Fernando Martinez-OF-Mets

22-Tim Alderson-RHP-Giants

23-Casey Kelly-RHP-Red Sox

24-Carlos Santana-C-Indians

25-Aaron Hicks-OF-Twins

26-Austin Jackson-OF-Yankees

27-Lars Anderson-1B-Red Sox

28-Ben Revere-OF-Twins

29-Michael Bowden-RHP-Red Sox

30-Brett Wallace-3B-Cardinals

31-Logan Morrison-1B-Marlins

32-Danny Duffy-LHP-Royals

33-Angel Villalona-1B-Giants

34-Josh Reddick-OF-Red Sox

35-Matt Moore-LHP-Rays

36-Tim Melville-RHP-Royals

37-Chris Carter-1B-A's

38-Neftali Feliz-RHP-Rangers

39-Mat Gamel-3B-Brewers

40-Jeremy Hellickson-RHP-Rays

41-Matt LaPorta-OF-Indians

42-Wilmer Flores-SS-Mets

43-Martin Perez-LHP-Rangers

44-Lonnie Chisenhall-3B-Indians

45-Jason Castro-C-Astros

46-Aaron Poreda-LHP-White Sox

47-Dominic Brown-OF-Phillies

48-Kyle Drabek-RHP-Phillies

49-Jordan Lyles-RHP-Astros

50-Jenrry Mejia-RHP-Mets

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Montero Montero Montero…he’s going to be absolutely huge. 15 while he’s dominating at age 20 at AA? Behind ALVAREZ? Who’s 2 years older and struggling at the same level? Behind ALONSO? Who was doing well at AA before getting hurt and also 2 years older? And BECKHAM too? The low A doing decently top draft pick? Maybe next year, but not now.
Smoak too face palm
Drabek at 48? AND NO BROWN AND TAYLOR? Ugh. All three of them are easily top 30 possibly top 20 by end of year. I already have two of them top 20.
Santana also wayyy too low.

Ugh, I’m done with this list already.

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by cwhitman412 on Jul 5, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Montero's 19

which further proves your point

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by lemonjello on Jul 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have many things to say.

Many of which are not appropriate for this site because of that comment.

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by cwhitman412 on Jul 5, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a great prospect but

he’s also a DH.

Let me put it another way – last year, the community list (very controversially) put Max Ramirez at #40 or so. The argument was that he would hit .300, 30 HRs, plenty of walks, and might be a decent catcher. No real list put him above 90.

Now, let’s put aside that Ramirez has not had a good year this year – do you think that Montero will be a substantially better hitter than people thought Ramirez would be last year? Considering, so far as I know, nobody thinks that Montero will be able to stick at C, or even OF or 1B, he would have to either hit for a higher average, more power, or walk more to make up the possible positional value difference. Honestly, I’m not sure what I think – I think that Montero is a better prospect than Ramirez was, but I’m not sure I think he’s a top 10 prospect

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by OldProspects on Jul 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Montero v. Ramirez

Ramirez did put up huge numbers at AA, but he was 23 when he first made it to AA. Montero is 19, and if he continues at this pace, should be making his major league debut by 21. The number of guys who make it to AA as teenagers is very small, and if they hit well at AA (as Montero has), they often end up in the top 10. Montero is a different caliber of prospect than Ramirez was, and yes, I think he will be a substantially better hitter. Obviously this is an optimistic comp, but in terms of ARL, speed of advancement, likely position, and minor league performance, the best comp for Montero is Miguel Cabrera (though Cabrera did not make AA until age 20).

As for nobody thinking Montero will stick at catcher, I am not sure that is the case. Nobody thinks he will be good there, but the Yankees (and maybe others) have seen improvement, and even if he is never an average defensive catcher, he could be adequate enough that with his bat, he could have tremendous value at catcher. He may never be Johnny Bench, but he could be Mike Piazza. Right now, he is being given every chance to stay at catcher.

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by lemonjello on Jul 5, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

My impression is that people have described him not simply as bad defensively, but horrifically bad. I think your Miguel Cabrera is interesting – I’m not sure if I agree, but it’s appealing. I definitely think you’re right that Montero is a better prospect than Max-Ram, but I’m not sure how much better we’re talking about

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by OldProspects on Jul 5, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question about Montero

I heard he was an athletic kid last year- can’t he play corner OF?

by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 6, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is not athletic

He is big and slow. Not quick at all.

by alskor on Jul 6, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never

heard anyone question whether or not he can play 1B, saying he is a DH seems like a faulty conclusion.

even if you consider him a 1B, it would be tough to make an argument for any of the 1B on this list to be ranked ahead of him

by skiinginNJ on Jul 5, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

montero

he’s top 10 for me even as a 1B.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Jul 5, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

Close though. I think Montero will end up in the teens on my list when all is said and done.

even if you consider him a 1B, it would be tough to make an argument for any of the 1B on this list to be ranked ahead of him

You would really have trouble making an argument for Smoak over Montero…?

by alskor on Jul 5, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Smoak and Montero are pretty darn close IMO.

by guru4u on Jul 6, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no Taylor

this is the second top 50 i have seen omitting him. I guess the gae thing bothers people, but he is only 23. he has torn it up 2 years in a row now.

by wobatus on Jul 6, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?

Michael Taylor is gay?

And, he was in both my top 50 and Braves’.

by Frederick0220 on Jul 6, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I mis-typed age. Lysdexia. No, i saw a top 50 list not posted on here. From Project prospect, meddler linked to it on the amazing amazinavenue.com.

by wobatus on Jul 6, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like seeing Moore

But IMO his teammate Nick Barnese is better. Unfortunately he missed the first month or so. Those two are the new Davis-McGee duo for the Rays.

by dannythegreat on Jul 5, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Though I do find it interesting

that Moore and Hellickson make the list but not Davis. Maybe a bit of SNTS,

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by Brickhaus on Jul 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Matusz

Is the best SP in my minors right now!!!! He should be top 5.

by Summa Slugga on Jul 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Melville

36 seems rather high.

by jar75 on Jul 5, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In general, this list is WAY too high on 2009 draftees, IMO (though surprisingly, way too low on Matusz).

by WrenFGun on Jul 5, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Posey > Alvarez

The only reason Posey isn’t in AAA right now is because he was hit in the head with a pitch

by superk1ng on Jul 5, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tim Beckham

Is too high.

Mejia should be higher and Holt should be there.

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by jimduquettesucked on Jul 5, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is coming from a Twins fan....

…and a Big fan of Both Revere and Hicks…..

but Aaron Hicks is about 20-25 spots too high
and Ben Revere isn’t a top 50 prospect period.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 5, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clue us in more on your selection criteria

Clue me in on the selection bias that keeps outfielder Michael Taylor (Reading) off this list, and keeps a first baseman (and probable future DH) such as Chris Carter ranked as high as he is. Please don’t tell me age (they are one year apart) or that the Texas League is tougher on hitters than the Eastern League, or that a first baseman/DH has more value than an outfielder. You certainly must have some other reason you deem valid. Some of these picks seem to appear here primarily because of age, not production (even at low levels). At some point, projection gives way to production (see Andy Marte as an obvious example).

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by zzard on Jul 5, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marte?

Marte is actually a really bad example of projection-versus-production with regard to prospect evaluation. The guy produced at every single level of the minors, with a .878 OPS in AAA back in 2005. He drew plenty of walks and his strikeout rate wasn’t high, especially considering his power production. The only statistical issue you could raise was that his pre-2009 career high in BA at any level was .285, which wasn’t really something that anybody would lose sleep over.

As it turned out, you’d have to refer to scouting for his inability to produce. He’s got a relatively slow bat (which may help to explain the lack of dominant batting average), and then in trying to compensate his plate discipline has fallen apart.

So what’s the deal this year? A possible explanation (although somebody who has actually seen him would be a better source): Marte is entering his prime with an accompanying peak in his body strength, which corresponds to an increase in bat speed. Making him an interesting post-hype guy to keep an eye on.

by mrkupe on Jul 5, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matusz, Montero & Carter

I do think Matusz is very good-I have him being the 2nd best LHP prospect but I don’t think he’s the best SP in his own organization (Tillman) and not top 5.
Montero’s bat is great but I think he’ll eventually move to 1B or DH and that’s why he was ranked below the other guys.
Carter Over Taylor-I love Carter’s raw power-44 Hr’s last year-albeit he was in the hitter friendly Cal League-I think he’ll be a very good middle of the order hitter for the A’s

FYI-My #51 prospect is Jhoulys Chacin-RHP-Col in case anyone was wondering

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by Gobroks on Jul 5, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Montero is ranked below a number of future 1st basemen

Smoak, Hosmer, Alonso, and possibly Alvarez. He outhit Alonso at the same level despite being 3 years younger and catching half of the time. He is the same age as Hosmer, but is putting up superior numbers 2 levels higher. He performed better than Alvarez despite being 3 years younger (though I could see Alvarez over Montero if you think Pedro stays at 3rd). Smoak is the only one of these 4 who has performed as well as Montero, but he’s doing it at the same level as Montero, and is 3 years older. Based on these stats, it’s hard to argue that Montero shouldn’t be top 10, especially since he has been putting up these numbers as a catcher (even if his future is elsewhere). It’s interesting that Montero gets downgraded for being a likely future 1b/DH, but yet he is ranked behind older 1st basemen whom he has outperformed.

I could make a performance argument for Montero over Stanton and Heyward, but I will save that argument for another time, since both Stanton and Heyward are Montero’s age, and will likely have more positional value in the future (unless Montero stays at catcher, in which case the argument will be flipped).

/rant over

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by lemonjello on Jul 5, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MONTERO

List need major work, but most of you have NO IDEA how good Jesus Montero is now and will be. The two comps that you will see with him are Miguel Cabrera and Albert Pujols. He is better defensively than both of them as well. He is 19 YEARS OLD and RAKING IN AA. HELLO !!!!

by justinupton on Jul 5, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

He’s is better defensively than Pujols? Yeah, sure…

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 5, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this was sarcasm/trolling

It was this guy’s first post… so probably a regular using a new name.

Just in case its not, I’ll point out that Montero has NEVER appeared at 1B EVER.

Also, call me crazy, but probably a 50/50 shot Pujols would be the better catcher out of the two! One is often described as big and “sluggish” and the other one’s first name is Albert.

by alskor on Jul 5, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe

Justin Upton feels so strongly about Montero’s ability that he felt compelled to join the site and make his voice heard. We should probably listen to him, as his projection tool is plus-plus.

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by lemonjello on Jul 5, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The hyperbole is hilarious

But Montero definitely deserves top 5 consideration. I’m a huge Smoak homer; I think his upside is somewhere between Helton and Morneau… but I like Montero better.

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by Conjunction on Jul 5, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

where did you get that from?

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by JT12340 on Jul 5, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was considered fat.

which is much different. Pablo Sandoval is fat, and very athletic.

by PissedMick on Jul 5, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball players can be fat

To a degree, of course.

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by Baltimo on Jul 5, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is it that everybody adores about Austin Jackson?

Not to be a biased jerk, but what does he have over Mike Saunders?

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 5, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’ll be upfront and say I’m a Mets fan, but I can’t see a case for Austin Jackson being a top 50 prospect, maybe closer to 70 or 80. Right now he’s batting like .320, but his BABIP is somewhere near .430. He has zero power and is striking out at a 25% rate this year with an 8% walk rate. He’s a plus defender in center, which is always valuable, but it doesn’t look like his bat will hold up in the majors.

I don’t really know about prospects that much, so maybe I’m missing something, but that’s just what I see.

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by Evan_S on Jul 5, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

I’m not totally sold that his bat won’t hold up eventually, he has enough speed to make up a bit of offensive value on the basepaths, and he also clearly has more upside than Melky Cabrera or Brett Gardner do at this point, so he’ll eventually have every opportunity unless the Yanks spend big on CF in the offseason. I just don’t think his upside is really anything special. Best case scenario, he’s an answer to Jacoby Ellsbury with less contact and maybe a bit more defensive value. Though TotalZone was a lot kinder to Ellsbury than its been to Jackson in the minors, UZR doesn’t think Ellsbury nearly as special as some of the ESPN highlight reels would have you believe either.

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by Meddler on Jul 6, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Jackson's ceiling is higher than that

Ellsbury with less contact and maybe a little more defensive value is what Brett Gardner currently is. That maybe be the most likely outcome for Jackson, or possibly a floor, but I would argue that he has more power potential than that. I agree that Jackson hasn’t shown much power since he moved up to AA, but I think that the potential is still there for some 15-20 homer seasons.

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by lemonjello on Jul 6, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The potential is there, sure

but he hasn’t shown any power since his 07 year in high A. A 22 year old in triple A with a 120 ISO and lucky batting average certainly has had his stock drop significantly. Right now his best assets seems to be his speed and defensive. He’s going to have to improve his bat before he can be a number 26 prospect.

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by Evan_S on Jul 6, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

193 PAs isn’t enough to convince me that what we’re seeing this year from Gardner is what he is. As for Jackson’s power potential, maybe he as a scosche more than Ellsbury, but its hardly a given. They both have/had minor league HR/FB career totals in the 4-5% range, and they’re similar height/weight as well, so I’m not sure why one would assume Jackson would be upping his power any more than should have been assumed a few years ago with Jacoby. And despite the pretty batting line, Jackson’s “hit the wall” in the upper levels in a much bigger way than Ellsbury ever did. I certainly don’t think Ellsbury is either a floor or a most likely outcome for Jackson, there’s still plenty of different directions he could go in, and most of them are not as good as Ellsbury.

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by Meddler on Jul 6, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Arrieta?

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by Baltimo on Jul 5, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great list

This is the best list I have seen yet.

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by King Billy Royal on Jul 5, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice list

Interesting that you have Flores over Mejia. I get that Mejia has kind of that shiny new toy syndrome, and Flores has had some of the shine fade somewhat artificially, but I still think you have to give the nod to Mejia. And that’s not a knock on Flores’s SAL season thus far, I’m quite happy with it, but Mejia has just exploded something crazy. He’s still riskier than I want to believe, but producing in the upper levels at a silly ARL is really tough to overlook.

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What a fool I was to defy him"

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by Meddler on Jul 6, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wrote somewhere, based on what you pointed out in your fanpost on AA

Wilmer’s fly ball rate is ridiculous. He has a natural tendency to lift the ball and if that continues and adds the muscle we all think he will, he could be a big time home run hitter. But as of now, he hasn’t put up the numbers. He’s basically a singles hitter and is batting like .280, and it doesn’t seem that he has a lot of plate discipline, though he’s still just 17. His stock has dropped a bit, and I agree Mejia should be above him, but both are top 50 prospects.

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by Evan_S on Jul 6, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see it

I think if I were going to do a Top 50, the two Mets who would automatically have spots would be Mejia and Fernando, while Flores and Holt would both be right on the bubble.

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by Meddler on Jul 6, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I definitely agree with you about Flores’ power potential due to the frequency with which he generates flyballs. He’s never going to go Fernando on us and put up a 17% HR/FB in Triple-A, but he won’t need to. As long as he keeps hitting the ball in the air, his HR results are always going to be magnified by his FB%. It does also mean raw power development is going to be huge for him. The converse of this is its tough to sustain a high BABIP a low GB%, so he’s going to need some of those flyballs to wind up hits that don’t wind up in play if he wants to sustain a consistently solid average. Or he could learn how to walk, god forbid, and then this wouldn’t be nearly as much of an issue, and it would probably help him translate the power he does have better.

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by Meddler on Jul 6, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I could be wrong,

but I would imagine that has he matures as a hitter, he’ll learn to make better contact and hit the ball harder therefore turning some of those balls that have been fly balls into line drives. That’s hypothetical, but it seems that if he basically continues the approach he has now and just adds muscle, he’ll be a slugger. Either way, he has a huge amount of potential and it will be fun watching him mature over the next few years.

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by Evan_S on Jul 6, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

Its possible his batted ball profile changes drastically as he moves up the chain, but the fact that he’s been facing much older pitches for two years now and they still can’t figure out how to make him pound the ball into the ground is a great sign.

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What a fool I was to defy him"

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by Meddler on Jul 6, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas neal

He isn’t making any of the top 50 lists I have seen. I think he might make mine if I get around to it.

by wobatus on Jul 6, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh

Problem is that he is a good bat, but maybe not a great bat, and will be limited defensively . . .maybe that’s a guy who breaks in as a truly elite prospect if he’s at the upper levels of the minors, but out of an A baller you’re not going to get TOO excited too quickly.

by mrkupe on Jul 6, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not a great bat

maybe, but neutralize for park and he leads Cal league in wOBA at 21. Even over Forsyth on neutralized ops, although Forsyth plays 3rd and has a great batting eye. Hmm, Forsyth isn’t on this list either, but he has moved up on some I have seen. Maybe not top 50 for Neal but close. Luck and park neutralized he is at .349/.432/.618. Not too shabby even if stuck in left field.

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