Except they included Francisco as well.

I don’t think this is a bad deal.

B. I suspect Donald becomes a 2B for Cleveland.

the problem with including marson is that it now means the phillies have no alternative to carlos ruiz. there could have been a nice spring training competition between the two next year, but now, it’s carlos ruiz or bust.

this also means that if carlos ruiz gets injured, paul bako is catching 6 days a week, and god knows who is catching the other one.

Probably won’t happen, but if it did…..That would be one insane rotation. I would think that this move takes Philly out of the Halladay sweepstakes, and makes the Boston the favorite (although I doubt a deal gets down at this point).

i mean, besides the comments like, if TOR wanted people to think BOS was offering clay buchholz, i don’t think they realized that the phillies have noone they could offer that could match that.

put it this way, ricciardi was a tease, shapiro put out.

I think Phillie jumped on this because they didn’t have to deal those guys. I just think the Indians could have acquired a better prospect if they held out a bit longer.

It’s not the package everyone expected in a Lee deal, but I don’t think it’s that bad. Cleveland can move VMart now and give Marson a chance in the bigs. Sure he’s not nearly as good as Santana, but having Marson could allow you to keep Santana down in the minors next year like the O’s did with Wieters this year, get that extra year of control out of the deal. Carrasco could step into the rotation now, and I don’t think it takes a lot of imagination to see him as a consistent #3 guy for awhile. Donald allows you to deal Peralta now, in the offseason, or next year—whenever the return looks greatest. Knapp gives you a high upside arm a few years away from the show.

Sure, Taylor being in this deal would make it look a lot better for Cleveland, but at that point I’d question why Philly made the trade at all.

Very athletic, but his arm isn’t great. He’ll be a decent big leaguer, but his biggest strength is his batting eye and ability to work walks.

If the Red Sox really offered something like Buchholz + Bowden/Anderson + another guy, I’d at least sit down at the table and really negotiate this one out. I don’t get the big deal about the intradivision thing . . .if the Blue Jays trade Halladay, clearly winning is taking a back seat to rebuilding for the moment, which means having Halladay in the division isn’t going to be a concern for at least 2-3 years, by which point Halladay will be well into his mid-30s.

The Jays can look at this as giving one of their division rivals their best player . . .but they’d also be depriving one of their division rivals of several of its choice prospects. The Red Sox, rather than paying Buchholz close to the minimum to pitch for them, will instead be paying Halladay a boatload of money. It doesn’t just open up money for Toronto to bring in more youngsters, it may also restrain Boston’s financial flexibility. Considering that Toronto post-Halladay trade would be looking down at the battle for the division several years down the line, what Boston is able to do in terms of setting up its future should matter much more than what the Red Sox can do at present.

Am I wrong for thinking this makes way too much sense for Toronto to get this done? Certainly I’d make Boston trade a bundle, as you can be pretty certain that part of the incentive for Boston to make the deal is that exclusive negotiating period they’ll have to sign Halladay long-term. But even if Boston were to trade, say, Buchholz + Bowden + one of Josh Reddick or Ryan Westmoreland + another youngster with good potential, both sides should be sleeping easy after this one . . .and if that’s the case, why didn’t this get done already?