Top Mets Prospects
Here are my Mets Top Prospects and Sickels-styles grades for this point of the season
(Fernando Martinez isn't included as he'll almost definitely break the MLB experience barrier in September, however he would be #1 on the list)
1, Jenrry Mejia, RHP, A- Mejia combines his youth, talent, polish and makeup to show himself as one of the elite prospects of the game. At 19, Mejia has already show his innate dominance at A+ ball, where in 9 starts he pitched 50.1 innings, striking out 44, walking 16, allowing no home runs and a 2.21 GO/AO rate. Even at AA, Mejia is doing more than just holding his own. Mejia has been clocked as high as 102, but his fastball generally lies in the mid-90s. The pitch has some downward life and he already has demonstrated pretty good command on it. He also has a high-80s change that many believe resembles a splitter or 12-6 curve. This is the better of his two second pitches, and the other one is a nice, but not plus curve.
2. Brad Holt, RHP, B+ He's not as electric as Mejia, and not as dominant this year, but still has enough polish and talent to warrant this ranking. He's got plenty of durability -- he's been known to carry a mid-90s fastball to the seventh inning, and also good movement and placement of the pitch. Holt has better command than Mejia, and is more of a strikeout pitcher, but Mejia also has better secondary stuff, and is three years younger. Holt has an electric fastball, a good, low-80s power curve, and a developing changeup. He dominated the NYPL following the draft, Did more than well and St. Lucie striking out 54 in 43.1 innings, walking only 13 and receiving a 3.12 ERA. In AA, he battled a minor injury, and his two starts returning from injury were a combined 3.2 innings with 9 earned runs. He walked 4 and struck out 6. However, outside of these efforts, Holt has been very dominant at the AA level.
3. Wilmer Flores, IF/OF, B+ Obviously very young, Flores already has a goldmine of talent and a little bit of polish to boot. He has a very smooth swing and already has a bit of pop. He also has very good pitch recognition at the plate. Flores may need his age to catch up with his league to get a higher BABIP, but can work on filling out for pop and being more selective at the plate. Sometimes I doubt his value but scouts always seem to go head over heels for the guy. Obviously his position going forward is in doubt as well. Despite some Mets fans' hopes and expectations, Flores is still a long way off with his .275/.315/353 line in the SALLY league.
4. Jonathon Niese, LHP, B With a plus pitch since he was 18, Niese is STILL a very interesting and valuable prospect in my eyes. His monstrous curve is one of the best I've seen since Zito was good, and since working out his secondary pitches in AAA he's been flat out incredible in the league (look at his last 8 or so starts). It's obvious it's time for Niese to be promoted, but I still doubt that the Mets will do so especially if Maine is coming back. It seems he didn't develop a slider like I hoped but he seems to have done something to stop all the singles he'd allowed.
5. Ike Davis, 1B/OF, B After a breakout year in college, Ike Davis received high praise from scouts, and became the Mets' first selection in the 2008 draft. Soon after, he already began to disappoint. For the Cyclones in the NYPL, he had a whopping .256/.326/.326 line. It boggled my mind to think that he was known for his pop, as he hit 0 home runs in 213 ABs. Luckily for the Mets I was wrong. In a tough FSL league, Davis posted a .288/.376/.486 for St. Lucie, and after his promotion to Binghamton he's hit for a .278/.381/.467 line. This year in 312 ABs he's hit .285 with 11 HR, 22 2B and 3 3B. He's walked plenty and the only problem that seems to exist is his strikeout rate, which is over 1 K per 4 AB
6. Ruben Tejada, SS/2B, B- Tejada possesses incredible speed, good discipline at the dish, as well as very good contact ability. He's 19 years old and in AA. Right now, Ruben Tejada has the ability to become the perfect leadoff hitter, or at least a #2 hitter after Jose Reyes. Tejada has prowess with the glove as well. Offensively, it's quite clear that Tejada has to bulk up from 165 pounds, and learn to get a good jump on the basepaths. It doesn't take much to see the kind of power Tejada doesn't have. At 17 in the GCL, his ISO was .084. In the FSL, it was .067. This year in the EAS, its .076. Dreadful. Defensively, the only problem is the position change.
7. Jeurys Familia, RHP, B- Perhaps I'm being generous, but overall Familia just IS B-. He's got good command, durability and velocity, and it seems that all he needs is his secondary pitches and consistency. He's 19 years old and in A ball this year he's pitched 99 innings in 17 starts, striking out 80 and walking 33. He's allowed 79 hits and just 3 home runs, and his ERA is 3.09. He's a big body guy, can throw a 93, 94 MPH fastball with some regularity and should be interesting going forward.
8. Robert Carson, LHP, C+ A BIG grounball pitcher who is currently dominating the SALLY league. Deserves a promotion and needs one to be properly evaluated, as he probably won't keep up his 2.53 ERA at the higher levels. He's developed good command and I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would chose his as their home run derby pitcher. In 99.2 innings, he's allowed 2 HR. In a career 162.1 innings, he's allowed 4. If all goes well he could end up in the middle of a rotation. Just another pitcher to add to the Mets farm system's rich glossary. Pitches: Low-90s fastball and low- to mid-80s slider. Not sure if he has a changeup. Both should be plus pitches.
9. Reese Havens, IF/OF, C+ He's been battling injury and a low BABIP, but there's still plenty of potential in Havens. He's already managed to lower his K rate from last year, and at this point has some of the best plate discipline in the game. His power is wonderful as well. After being placed in the NYPL in 2008, he hit .247/.340/.471. What was truly alarming wasn't necessarily the batting average, but the 27 Ks in 85 ABs, which is only a little better than 1 K per 3 ABs, and Havens is no Ryan Howard. In St. Lucie, he was able to dramatically lower that rate. In 197 ABS, he has struck out 37 times, and walked 30 as well. He has a very nice .188 ISO as well. The only problem was his batting average to bring his line down to .228/.341/.416. The average and the injuries are what keep him from being a flat B.
10. Eric Beaulac, RHP, C+ Already armed with two very nice pitches in his fastball and power curve, Beaulac may very well be on the fast track to the Mets bullpen. However the Mets intend to see if he can fare in the rotation. Beaulac has started 11 games and relieved 7 of them, pitching 81 innings. Beaulac struck out 97 and walked 29, allowing just 5 homers. It wouldn't be ludicrous to say Beaulac could keep up his K rate all the way to the bigs -- throughout the past two years between college, Kingspot and Savannah it's been around 11.0 per 9 -- his command and ability to keep the ball in the park could be challenged. He's 22 and will likely be aggresively promoted soon.
11. Kirk Nieuwenhuis, OF, C+ Drafted in 2008, Nieuwenhuis often cited comparison to Eric Byrnes. In the pros, Nieuwenhuis has shown good ability to take a walk, good power, and nice speed. The only part of his game he needs to work on is the strikeouts. His BABIP is fine for a guy with his tools at .324, but he's either going to need better luck or a less Ks if he wants his average above the .240 which it is at right now. He's stolen 12 bases in 13 attempts, has a nice .156 ISO in the FSL, and a whatever .240/.336/.396 line.
12.Jefry Marte, 3B, C+ Still extremely far from the majors -- much more so than Flores -- Marte is a big whiffer. So far in 364 Savannah ABs he's struck out 93 times already. However Marte has already developed a good deal of pop and has hit for a solid 26 XBHs including 5 homers, 3 more than Flores. Marte is starting to show better discipline and better contact ability in the past 2 months however, as in the 167 ABs he's had between June and July, he's been hitting for a .282/.322/.401 line, which is in stark contrast to his dreadful April and May. He's a big guy with great bat speed and could have passable season numbers by August's end.
13. Dillon Gee, RHP, C+ The 23 year old has moved quietly but not unnoticed through the Mets system. He is mainly a command pitcher with a good fastball-change combo and a curve to mix things up. It seems that he is battling injury for the first time this year, but is usually very healthy. His fastball is a high-80s pitch that hits 90 and 91 often, and he locates the pitch phenominally. His change is usually low-80s and gets Gee's Ks. The curve generates a lot of pop ups and weak grounders. His numbers are pretty good in the pros. His K/9 usually sits in the 7 area, he doesn't allow a lot of homers, and gets most of his outs off of pop ups. He should be a fine MLB pitcher who works out of the back of the rotation. Not a lot of potential here.
14. Zach Lutz, 3B, C+ I'm expecting to receive the most flak for this one, but I see Lutz as a player with huge sleeper potential. He showed great prowess with the bat with Brooklyn in 2008 until getting hurt. Lutz has a rather large injury tendency, but he hits the ball damn hard. His power numbers may be diminished by playing in St. Lucie, and he's not exactly young at 23, but I could see Lutz getting a 2010 September callup if all goes right. In Brooklyn, he went 24-for-72 with 3 doubles, 4 homers, 14 walks and 12 Ks. In St. Lucie he's hitting .275/.384/.422. 32 walks, 42 Ks.
15. Kyle Allen, RHP, C+ Has bullpen potential right now. His fastball is 88-90 MPH, has good movement on his off-speed. He commands his fastball very well but struggles putting his curve and change in the zone. With a bit more velocity Allen could become a rotation candidate or set up man candidate. At 18 he was dominant in the GCL but has been rather mediocre in terms of numbers in the Sally. In 80 innings (17 G, 11 GS) he's struck out 69 and walked 32, allowing 77 hits, 7 of which are homers. He has a not over-or-underwhelming 4.16 ERA, but a lot of time to improve at age 19.
16. Brant Rustich, RHP, C+ He's pretty damn old to be in A+ ball and still be considered a good prospect at 24, but he's got three pitches that he throws for strikes and also have very nice movement, especially his slider, a mid-80s pitch that bites very well. His fastball travels mid-90s and I've only heard about his changeup. Rustich's biggest issue is health. He is oft-injured and gets appearances essentially on a weekly basis as a reliever. If he stays healthy he is a huge asset but there are plenty of doubts about that.
16. Josh Thole, C, C/C+ On one hand, the Mets.com posterboy has spectacular plate discipline and contact ability at a position where hitting is at a premium, on the other hand he has absolutely no pop and may need to move to a position where his numbers just won't matter. Thole only gets C+ consideration to his very nice average this year.
17. Francisco Pena, C, C Pena has good defense behind the plate and a solid swing and power, but needs to lose a few or at least turn those pounds into mucles. Plate discipline is also something he shouldn't take for granted. Pena has been rushed to St. Lucie, but I think the Mets should make him repeat.
18. Cesar Puello, OF, C A long way off, but Puello is a very toolsy outfielder with the ability to hit for average. Major sleeper potential for 2010.
19. Sean Ratliff, OF, C He hits the ball hard, but has NO plate discipline and the numbers just don't add up to him being very good right now.
20. Yohan Almonte, RHP, C I know nothing about him but hopefully he moves quickly through the organization
HMs (C): Eddie Kunz RHP, Scott Shaw RHP, Chris Schwinden RHP, Lucas Duda 1B/OF, Shawn Bowman 3B, Jake Ruckle RHP, Stefan Welch 1B, James Fuller LHP, Roy Merrit LHP, Aderlin Rodriguez 3B, Javier Rodriguez OF, Nick Santomauro OF, Charlie Hinojosa 2B, Alonzo Harris 2B, Angel Calero LHP
I think I'm going to do the Royals next. They have an extremely intriguing system.
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Bravesin07 showed a link to a report suggesting Mejia tore a tendon in a finger on his throwing hand ala Zumaya. Any word on that? I’m still amazed at how overboard the prospecting community is going over him when he hasn’t shown the durability to be a SP longterm.
by jfish26101 on Jul 19, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought
it was scheduled rest… that’s what the overall impression is I think.
by METSMETSMETS on Jul 19, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From my looking around, the Mets are purposely not saying much. We will know if he pitches again this year. If he doesn’t pitch again this year, I’d say it was fairly seirous.
by jfish26101 on Jul 19, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're limiting his innings. That's it.
That same week after he was injured, he was seen in the dugout laughing and playing catch. He’s fine.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 22, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I ask BA a chat question and they said he might be back soon
donno what to think what’s going on with Mejia.
by Bravesin07 on Jul 19, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Thole ranking seems purely contrarian
Even if you have serious issues with the guy, I have a hard time seeing how anyone could rank him that low with a straight face.
by aap212 on Jul 20, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, concerns about Thole’s D or not (Even though most reports have it as improving, it is only his 2nd year as a full time catcher), you have to concede that he’s a 22 year old catcher hitting .340 in AA. That alone, given how scarce decent hitting catching is in the big leagues, should put him in the Top 10.
I’d also contend that F-Mart’s recent injury should maintain his rookie status, as there’s now every chance he won’t surpass the 130 AB threshold nor 45 days on the ACTIVE roster (Non-Expanded Roster time)
On the other hand, some of the other rankings seem a bit optimistic to me, I think Mejia (To B+), Flores (To B), Niese (To B-), and Tejada (To C+) could all be bumped down a level.
Some who missed who I think should get more consideration….Alonzo Harris, 2B, Scott Moviel, RHP, Angel Calero, LHP
PS: The guy from Scoutingthesally had Allen at 90-93 his last outing. I’d still leave him as a C+ for now, but I think you’re selling his velocity short.
by adropofvenom on Jul 20, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
I added Alonzo Harris and I’ll add Calero to the HMs. I’m not adding Moviel.
Answers to rankings:
On Mejia: We have great numbers, velocity, command, movement, and age here. No reason why he should be lower than A-
On Flores: I was a Flores doubter going into the year, and was puzzled at why John put him as the Mets’ number one prospect, but he has been showing that he deserves it as of late. You can go to Toby Hyde’s site Metsminorleagueblog.com to see the exact numbers but he’s been hitting pretty well for the past two and a half months in A ball (and he’s still 17). However it is conceivable that he IS a B prospect that this point.
On Niese; Niese struggled a bit at the end of last year and the beginning of this year with singles and singles and singles, but the Mets’ coaching staff was able to diagnose the problem pretty well: He had little command of his changeup so he began continuously throwing the fastball. From what it looks like from his past 8 starts with a 0.96 ERA, he’s rectified the problem
Tejada: like Flores I guess it’s understandable that he could be downgraded, but watching him play I saw only one fatal flaw: he was tiny and rather weak. He didn’t have the strength to get a groundball past the shortstop through the hole or to hit many balls above the outfielders’ heads. Honestly this kind of problem is the easiest to rectify at age 19, IMO.
by METSMETSMETS on Jul 20, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Especially in an organization where catcher is such a position of weakness, and where Thole is supposedly performing at an average defensive level this year (big strides from last year).
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word on Mejia is that he needs Tommy John
True story. Nothing confirmed.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 20, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and Dillon Gee
Is also out with Tommy John surgery. Great season so far, eh fellow Mets fans?
by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 20, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee
He was supposed to have Labrum surgery and then didn’t so clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I am beginning to lose patience
With my personal relations.
They are not deep
And they are not cheap.
W.H. Auden
by jimduquettesucked on Jul 20, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right, that's my mistake
Gee is lambrum. But I did hear TJ for Mejia. Not sure how or why.
by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 20, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both of these stories are false.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 22, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ?
He hits the DL with a finger injury and it ends up TJ? That doesn’t add up, everything I’ve read is about a finger on his throwing hand (most likely index or middle). Either way, sounds like he is shut down for the year which should deflat his massive helium baloon he has been hanging on to.
by jfish26101 on Jul 20, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow
We’ll hear that his right hand has been amputated.
These rumors keep mutating into worse and worse scenarios without any reports from credible sources.
I was at his last start, and he was still hitting near 100 MPH on the stadium gun and throwing breaking balls in the 6th inning right up until he was removed from the game. Seems fishy that he had some catastrophic injury considering that in his last game performance, there didn’t seem to be a medical problem holding him back.
by jibs on Jul 20, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying you aren’t concerned at all? They have shut him down purely to limit his IPs and created some injury?
I’ll agree that not saying anything leads to speculation so perhaps it isn’t something like a torn tendon or TJ but I don’t think I would just assume he is perfectly fine.
by jfish26101 on Jul 20, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, exactly. Everything we’ve heard is that it’s a finger injury, going from that to Tommy John seems like quite a stretch and probably more uncredible rumor-starting from someone assuming that something that begins bad will eventually become worse.
by adropofvenom on Jul 20, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
Most thought the Holt pick in the draft for the Mets was a bit early. Does he actually have some hype behind him, or does the lack of depth in the Mets system make him a better looking prospect?
by napes22 on Jul 20, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has something more than hype behind him
And the pick wasn’t a bit early. I’d be happy to find experts to back that up, if you’d like.
by JayWise on Jul 20, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
or has the Mets system under Omar constantly been a system where you say, it’s eh, but there’s some upside in the lower levels and one or two youngsters pushed to the higher levels? That’s just the way it seemed the last few years to me, off gut recall. That said, Jenrry is quite intriguing.
by toonsterwu on Jul 20, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no its not you
Omar maks really bad trades and likes keping some of these prospects lower and develop them longer.
by The_Fan on Jul 20, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What bad trade has he made?
Outside of Putz, which wasn’t even that bad.
Also, it’s quite the opposite, he moves them up very, very quickly, so it’s hard to judge them because you’re always saying that his performance his crappy but he has ARTL on his side, i.e. Ruben Tejada.
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad trades?
Off the top of my head, I recall him giving away two major league level closers for almost nothing (Heath Bell, Matt Lidstrom).
by JayWise on Jul 21, 2009 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly
Lindstrom and Owens wasn’t a terrible trade (Jason Vargas and Adam Bostick). And Lindstrom has shown that he’s really not a closer.
Bell was pushing 100 innings at the major league level and hadn’t shown a thing. Like, ERA upwards of 5.00 kind of hadn’t shown a thing.
It was an issue of needing the roster space for all of them, and getting something for them rather than losing them on waivers. What should he have done? You think anyone was going to give up anything good for those guys?
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad trades are bad trades
Independent of whether he had justification, he traded away both of those guys and within 1 season we had no bullpen.
As for Heath Bell, it’s hard to show something when Omar has you riding the Chinatown bus to and from Norfolk every other weekend, and your pitching coach is trying to fit you into a system that is entirely inconsistent with your abilities. Maybe if Wii fit had come out 3 years earlier, we’d be having a different discussion.
As for Matt Lidstrom, if I recall correctly, there was no issue of roster space or room. He gave him up because he wanted to have a few more arms to throw at rotation spots in camp.
by JayWise on Jul 21, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bell
When you get a month or two at a time, you ought to be able to show something besides your straight as an arrow fastball.
A bad trade is when you can tell at the time that the return is crap.
A trade that doesn’t work out is an entirely different beast.
Bell is the latter. No one thought he would become what he has.
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it wasn't a bad trade...
…when the twins acquired liriano, bonser, and nathan for pierzynski?
by JayWise on Jul 21, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was
Because that trade was widely panned at the time. Everyone knew Sabean was giving up too much.
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was considered
not totally, but kind of lopsided toward the Twins
Nathan was already a pretty well known good reliever after his 2003 season, Liriano was gaining hype after a very good 2003 performance, and Bonser was ranked as a Top 30 pitching prospects and a B+ by then as well.
In addition the Lindstrom trade wasn’t that bad.
But I DO concede that the Bell trade was pretty crappy
by METSMETSMETS on Jul 21, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
Find me a source of hand-wringing at the time of the the Bell trade. Because I don’t think there really was one.
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are mischaracterizing my argument
I think it’s f-ing absurd to think that a trade is good if you get good value, but bad only if everyone knew it at the time. Some bad trades are just bad because the other side gets a disproportionate value.
by JayWise on Jul 21, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I'm saying
Is that if you’re going to say a GM makes awful trades, you need to judge the trades by the general consensus at the time. Every GM is going to make mistakes, good luck finding one who hasn’t made a few stinkers. That’s a lot different than making a trade that was widely considered reasonable at the time that turns out poorly.
Do you consider the Zobrist trade a bad one? Or the trade that brought Michael Young to Texas?
Sometimes guys are going to blossom into more than is expected of them.
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooops
Is that if you’re going to say a GM makes awful trades, you need to judge the trades by the general consensus at the time. Every GM is going to make mistakes, good luck finding one who hasn’t made a few stinkers. That’s a lot different than making a trade that was widely considered reasonable at the time that turns out poorly.
I meant to say that its a lot different to have a trade that turns out badly than to have a trade where you’re clearly being ripped off.
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no point in arguing
Because we clearly have different ideas as to what makes a bad trade. I still think the Bell and Lindstrom trades were bad for Omar. Other teams got almost immediate value from those players.
by JayWise on Jul 21, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please find me a source
of hand-wringing at the time of the Nolan Ryan trade. Otherwise, it wasn’t a bad trade.
by JayWise on Jul 21, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bell had outstanding peripherals for the Mets
Focusing on ERA is how they made the mistake.
by aap212 on Jul 21, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great peripherals
Outside of an ungodly HR/9 resulting from a straight fastball and an ugly H/9 that was backed up by his initial Triple-A performance. Considering he was a 26 year old with a year and a half in Triple-A by the time he started to show anything, then got batted around in the majors, there was good reason to believe he was a Quadruple-A guy.
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Church for Francouer comes to mind.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 22, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Ike Davis
the rest of the farm isn’t that good. But Im not an expert on the Mets system
by The_Fan on Jul 20, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think at this point
I know enough to tell you more
At this point I’d say Tejada and Familia are pretty good. Tejada’s stat lines aren’t overly impressive this year at AA ball, he’s hitting .272/.346/.351 with 8 steals, but the positives of Tejada are as follows
1) He is VERY fast. I watched him play a little bit last year in St. Lucie and he’s no doubt a speedster, but he needs to adjust to being able to get steals against experienced pitchers
2) Spectacular plate discipline. You’d think a 19-year-old in AA would either lose some walks or strike out a lot more, but in 316 ABs, Tejada has walked 29 times and struck out 42
3) Makes contact a lot — he strikes out once every 7 at bats. That’s pretty low especially by today’s standards
4) Good defender — Tejada was moved through the organization very quickly partly because of his prowess with the glove at the shortstop position. Should do very well at second base for the Mets.
For Tejada, all I think he needs to do is fill out. He’s 5’11" 165 LBS. That’s a small guy. When he does, I think his BABIP will increase as will his ISO.
Familia throws a very good fastball at 93, 94, backs it up with a above average slider and average change, and already has plus command. He’s only 19 and has a pretty tall frame with a little bit of room to fill out. His numbers are here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=famili001jeu
by METSMETSMETS on Jul 20, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Familia had a hell of a gme tonight
7 innings, 3 hits, 3 walks and 11 strikeouts. Also 6 ground outs to 4 fly outs I’m hoping he’s a guy who can make a huge jump next year the same way Mejia did this year. He has a solid k rate, doesn’t walk that many, good ground ball rate and doesn’t give up homers either. He has real potential to advance next year.
Tejada had three hits tonight too and has held his own in a league he had no business being in to start the year.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jul 20, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
for one thing, I’d expect Allen and Carson to rise through the system pretty quickly. Both are still rolls of the dice but Allen’s very projectable and Carson has had a lot of success.
The Mets also feature plenty of far off talent like Jefry Marte, Cesar Puello, and Aderlin Rodriguez.
by METSMETSMETS on Jul 20, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I have a little more respect for the Mets farm now. Didn’t it totally get destroyed in the Johan Santana trade?
by The_Fan on Jul 20, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually no
The Mets gave up Deolis Guerra (bust), Kevin Mulvey (question mark), Carlos Gomez (probable bust unless he gets disciplined) and Philip Humber (bust)
by METSMETSMETS on Jul 20, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a bunch of busts
actually a good move by Omar
by The_Fan on Jul 20, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Minaya has a very good eye for talent. He has his good moves (Santana, Perez from the Pirates, Maine, Delgado) and his bad (Castillo, Martinez, Perez at 3 years $36 million, Francoeur)
by METSMETSMETS on Jul 20, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially Francoeur
but he has more upside than Church has, but it was more of a planning move
by The_Fan on Jul 20, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how Francoeur was a bad move
When Church was a sure-thing to be non-tendered anyway, what with his low-.700 OPS since his second concussion.
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Church is an average baseball player
Francoeur is a horrendous baseball player
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jul 21, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should be happy...
…at least he didn’t trade the top left-handed prospect in all of baseball for him under the premise that the Mets could make a run at the palyoffs.
by JayWise on Jul 21, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But Church isn’t a starting quality major leaguer. And he’s not worth paying $5 million to have on the bench. It was roundly considered a sure-thing that he would be non-tendered anyway. Francoeur has been horrendous for the last year and a half, but it’s undeniable that he’s got more upside than Church, even if his floor is lower. So I don’t really know how you can say it’s a bad trade.
by Fanon on Jul 21, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
METSMETSMETS ranks Thole way too low.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 22, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always look forward to a Mets prospect report
Overall I like the rankings but you are saying F Mart > Mejia and Mejia is ranked A-. Well based on production alone I would say Fernando is A-/B+ but since staying healthy is a skill and F Mart looks like Alex Escobar part 2 right now I would drop him to a B+ so there is no way he is the top prospect in the Mets system right now. Mejia needs another half year at a higher level to prove he is an A- prospect. He can be borderline at A-/B+ right now.
Jefry Marte. How can anyone write about him without mentioning 30+ errors in only half a season? He gets a B for his age and his bat but a F-/DH for his glove or lack of.
I am praying Mejia is ok. I remember reading that he had an awkward and violent delivery so I am not too hopeful right now.
by BLieve on Jul 21, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On skill alone
Fernando is the best prospect in the Mets system. Injuries have hurt his progress but before he got called up this year for the first time, Fernando was probably the best player in the IL who was still a prospect. That is to say, everyone who was better than him was 25 or older while he is only 20. I think he is a A- prospect overall while Mejia is a B+. If Mejia comes back soon and pitches well in double A, I’b bump him up to A-.
Overall, I really like where this system will be next year. They should have good prospects at all levels. Davis, Thole and Holt can probably move up to Buffalo and help them at least compete for next to last place. They should keep Tejada and most likely Mejia in Binghamton to be joined by Havens, assuming he comes back and produces. Flores, Familia, Carson, and maybe others should be in St Lucie. Hopefully the don’t rush Marte and let him repeat in the Sally, although he has looked great this past month. I hate Omar as a GM but he has an eye for talent and I think as really turned this system into a respectable one, perhaps top 15.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
by Evan_S on Jul 21, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you say Fernando is Alex Escobar part 2? He's 20!
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 22, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Job
I’d have the first 18 guys in my top 20, with only some differences on ranking.
A few others I’d add to honorable mentions: LHP Eric Niesen, likely MLB bullpen arm with 90-92 FB, swing and miss slider; LHP Juan Urbina, who just signed for 1.25M; LHP Matz if he signs (not eligible yet I know); 2009 3rd round SS Robbie Shields, who defensively could stay at SS and has some potential with the bat; and RHP Nick Carr, who is one of the better bullpen arms, plus FB and nice SL, but really needs to cut down on the walks to rank.
by acerimusdux on Jul 23, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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