No Brainer Deal right? Right????
by ADLC on Jul 18, 2009 11:14 PM EDT
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20 team Dynasty league, 25 man active roster +8 MiL spots, keeping 28.
I've been struggling at 3b/DH (Started Coughlin at 3b for the last 8 weeks) this season, and only have 1 legit pitching prospect (Parker) and three studs (ZG, Oswalt and Peavy)
I've been trying to deal for Sandoval, and think I've gotten an intriguing offer for him.
Tex for Sandoval/Bumgarner. Leaves me with Nick Johnson at 1B, Gordon/Sandoval at 3B, and the third guy at DH. Next season I can replace Johnson with Smoak and try to flip Gamel for a quality SS prospect.
I think the difference between Tex and Sandoval is close enough that the top pitching prospect makes up for it. But Im having second thoughts.
Thoughts?
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i'd keep Tex
It’s not like he’s old, and there’s a pretty big difference between him and Sandoval as players I think. Maybe some will disagree, but I think Tex is a far superior player. I’d stick with him, but I can see why some might argue.
no brainer indeed
Perennial All Star 1B Mark Teixeira for potential one year wonder Pablo Sandoval and a 19 year old pitcher who hasn’t pitched beyond AA yet?
Easy easy decision.
Agreed
Only someone without a brain would do this deal. Keep the stud – Teixeira is a consistent monster who slugs .550+ like clockwork and plays in one of the most hitter friendly parks in the majors in one of the best offenses in baseball.
There’s a world of difference between Sandoval and Tex in fantasy. AND If youre trading for Sandoval you have to play him at C. That’s the real value of Sandoval. Love him there. Sandoval at 3B and Nick Johnson at 1B is a big downgrade, especially long term. You really want to go from Tex (great park, great offense) and whoever to Sandoval (big park, atrocious offense) and Johnson (injury prone, worst team in baseball)? Even if their rated stats were equal going forward (not a great bet) youre going to seriously downgrade your runs and RBIs.
It seems like youre blowing up your core/trading one of your best pieces because youve become infatuated with the ideal of Sandoval. Id just try to grab a high ceiling/high risk guy at 3B. Or two. Or more. Grab a few lottery ticket guys who are underperforming and hope they turn it around. You can certainly get one of those for way less than the cost of Mark Teixeira.
Also, long term, 3B is pretty much the easiest position to fill in fantasy. You just dont pay premium rates for 3B.
no need to be a dick...
Just needed to be talked down on getting too excited about a hot prospect. (and Im pretty well loaded at C w/Soto and God)
Im dissapointed in you...
…Kupe. Normally you are so bright and reasoned as a talent evaluator that I almost cant believe you wrote that. There isn’t a damned thing fluky about what Sandoval has done and Bumgarner doesn’t look like somebody who’s going to have any trouble in the big leagues.
I agree its an easy decision though. Do it! Take Panda and Gardenhoser. See if you can squeeze more first though. Maybe the owner the poster is trading with is as misguided about about the two Giant’s abilities as some of these guys are!
Another prospective
Sandoval is a good enough hitter to be a top flight 1B guys. There isnt ANYTHING questionable or maybe about his bat.. Get real.
If I were you Id do it and start to think in terms of Sandoval at 1b and Gamel at 3b- who is also producing. Both are fine hitters and like what, 23 years old?
This is without even mentioning Bumgarner, who’s talent is so amazing and should be obvious, that I doubt he has even much of an adjustment period before he’s a fine starter for you.
The Panda is cool AND it makes sense!
By the way
If you want to read more “expertise” from Alskor about Pablo Sandoval you might want to read some of this thread. Where he says his bat would be a “major problem” at 1B. I suppose, if being one of the NL’s best hitters this year is some kind of problem. He’s young, has an aggressive approach – like many, many fine hitters- and is a fantastic hitter.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/4/13/829773/pablo-sandoval-crystal-ball
In fact, he’s even better than I projected him to be, I admit, but at least I didnt basically say he was no good.
I guess the part that is annoying to me is that this dude and others kind of trashed his abilities last season and he goes out and proves them all WRONG this year- and he STILL is getting criticized. All because he has a stomach- really, that is IT. There was no reason to think a kid with his hitting talent, power, ability to put solid would on the ball, and yes his DEFENSIVE abilities – wouldn’t be ourstanding as he has been.
Who wouldn’t want a guy like that on thier team? Grab him in the last few months any of these non-evaluators still don’t respect that he is really, really good. C.mon guys- you don’t have to be that bright to figure this one out.
Check again in a year
His approach isnt good and he still is a 1B playing 3B. No friggin way has his defense been “outstanding.”
Im glad you think you can close the book on him after a half year of stats, but I will guarantee his rates go down from here. He’s not going to hit .330 every year – he’s been lucky. He increased his walk rate, and I expect that to drop back down a bit, too. I guess we’ll see.
He’s good and I was wrong about him – I already posted about how wrong i was about Sandoval, but he’s not this good and he’s getting overhyped. I just dont like to bet on guys coming out of nowhere without good gloves or good approaches at the plate – I dont put my money on guys having Vlad Guerrero/Nomar Garciaparra-like contact abilities. They have to show me first. Its been three months and Ill admit his bat has really impressed so far.
Should I go back and look at all the guys youve been wrong about and mock your “expertise?” I already admitted I was wrong on this this site… I mean… is this how we’re gonna be about this stuff? Should we keep score?
Im fine with it
Thats the whole idea for some of us. His approach is fricking terrific- unless you think Ichiro Suzuki has a bad approach as well. You say you were wrong about him but you refuse to “come on in” and except the obvious- he’s a freaking outstanding hitter.
He’s also been solid average at 3b, which makes him pretty outstanding at First-Base.
I’ve been wrong about plenty of players but rarely have I seen plenty of evidence that a player was good…. went with my gut and said he wouldn’t be… then made excuses when he clearly was better than I thought.
Why in the world would he have to hit .330 every year? He’s got pop in that barrel- lots of it. You and me and almost everybody has underestimated his power. There is some luck in the .330 average, sure, but not in the 15 home runs. Thats where you were FLAT WRONG and continue to be by insisting that he isn’t going to be a run-producing 1B.
You may be smart on a lot of things but I just wanted to tell this fella that if he listens to you on Pablo .Sandoval he is getting bad advice
Also
If Im not mistaken didn’t Pablo Sandoval play ZERO 3b in the minor leagues?? In 61 games he has shown average range, made 4 errors, and started 8 double plays. That is freaking amazing all things considered. He’s been real solid over there.
So lets see…defensively… solid at 3b, very good at 1b, and a pretty darned good Catcher. Wrong about his defensive abilities as well eh?
Dave Cameron made some great points about Pablo today
I guess I should address the whole Sandoval thing. As I said in the Honorable Mentions post, I like Sandoval – the kid can hit. But based on the comments early on in the series, Giant fans need to pull back on the hyperbole train. 503 major league career plate appearances is simply not anything close to enough to establish his current batting line as his true talent level. There’s a reason ZIPS projects him for a .357 wOBA going forward despite his tremendous start to the 2009 season – he simply cannot maintain a .360 batting average on balls in play over the long term, which is the driving force behind his .400 wOBA this year.
The foundation of his offensive performance to date is, unfortunately, not a repeatable skill. For a player with that kind of developed body, you simply can’t project future growth like you can with most 22-year-olds (where strength is tied to added muscle as the body develops, which simply won’t happen with Kung Fu Panda), so there’s less upside here than with most players his age. He’s a good player, not a great one.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2009-mlb-trade-value-recap/
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