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Draft Review - San Francisco Giants

I've posted a review of the San Francisco Giants' draft over at MLB Bonus Baby. There's comments on all 50 picks. The next team up will be the Atlanta Braves.

Here's an excerpt for you, this being the size of each year in my draft previews before the draft:

1. Zack Wheeler, RHP, East Paulding HS (GA), #6 overall, 6’3’’/180: This wasn’t unexpected at all, as Wheeler had been seen by Giants’ GM Brian Sabean weeks before the draft. Wheeler had the most helium of any of the top prep pitchers over the course of the season, as he started running his fastball up and showed excellent potential. He hasn’t signed yet, but I expect him to reach a deal sometime on the deadline day. DOB: 5/30/90. Commitment: Kennesaw State.

2. Tommy Joseph, C, Horizon HS (AZ), #55 overall, 6’1’’/215: I had some people criticize my next-to-last mock draft, because I left Joseph out of the three round mock altogether. I even had a few people say it was idiotic for Joseph to be left out of the first round, as he was a lock. However, I felt a subtle shift in his stock late in the season, as teams were always sure of his bat, but became more apprehensive about his glove. I see first base in his future, as his mechanics behind the plate just aren’t those of a catcher in today’s game. He could easily improve greatly and prove me wrong, but I just don’t see the skills. He does have the tools, however, as his arm is quite strong. He hasn’t signed, but I expect him to agree shortly before Wheeler. DOB: 7/16/91. Commitment: Arizona.

3. Chris Dominguez, 3B, Louisville, #86 overall, 6’5’’/235: I love this pick for the Giants, as Dominguez is one of those rare college third basemen that could turn out to be a starter at that position in the big leagues. He has enormous tools, and you have to start with the raw power. He’s got enough strength to hit 30 homers a year if he improves his approach, though that’s tough, as he struggles with pitch recognition. His arm is also a plus, and he can handle third with it in the long-run, though, as with most third base prospects, he needs reps in order to become consistent. He’s still raw, despite having been a 5th round pick last year by the Rockies as a draft-eligible sophomore, but he’s got enormous potential. This wrapped up a great first day for the Giants. Dominguez signed quickly, and after a quick .306/.375/.528 run through the AZL in 36 ABs, he’s 8-for-21 (.381) with Salem-Keizer in the Northwest League. DOB: 11/22/86. Signing bonus: $411,300.

4. Jason Stoffel, RHP, Arizona, #117 overall, 6’2’’/220: Stoffel was one of those rare cases in which I firmly believe he was the subject of pitching abuse, though he was a reliever in college. The Wildcats used him early and often, and he threw over 50 innings over a three month span, equivalent to over 100 innings in relief over a six month Major League season. No manager in the Majors would subject such a high-end arm like Stoffel’s to that kind of use. However, it happened, and as a result, Stoffel’s pure stuff was down, as was his command, and I personally speculated a few times that Stoffel might be having arm troubles. He fell this far as a result of the diminished results, and the Giants might have gotten a steal. He signed already, but has yet to be assigned to a roster. DOB: 9/15/88. Signing bonus: $254,700.

5. Brandon Belt, 1B, Texas, #147 overall, 6’5’’/210: This was a surprising overdraft to me, as I loved what the Giants had done with their first four picks. However, Belt, despite blessed with exceptional size and good natural power, lacks the performance numbers or tools to be drafted this high. Since being drafted in the 11th round in both 2006 and 2007 (Red Sox and Braves), Belt has been a huge disappointment, with relatively weak hitting, making him going this high a big surprise. He’s got good tools at first, and with mechanical adjustments, he might become a more powerful hitter, but it’s just not likely. He hasn’t signed yet. DOB: 4/20/88.

The cutoff point in the Giants' draft in terms of transitioning to unsignable or organizational players is after the Chris Gloor pick in the 17th round.

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I liked but didn’t love this draft. Wheeler was an ok pick but I would’ve preferred Grant Green or Jacob Turner. I like their picks in rounds 2-8 (Joseph-Benusa) but I wish Givens had lasted 1 pick longer. I think Stoffel was a steal in the 4th round. I hope Belt can break through and rise past guys like Andy D’Alessio, Brett Pill & CJ Ziegler who were college 1B who toiled in the low minors (although Pill made it to AA). As far as late picks I like White because of his raw speed and Demko because of his stats. I agree with your grade of A- for the Giants draft.

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by Gobroks on Jul 18, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I want to know

why the Giants drafted another catcher in the 2nd round. You guys have Posey, or are the Giants planning on developing him at first?

by The_Fan on Jul 18, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the consensus is that he won’t stay behind the plate.

waiting for 2011....

by Osama91w9 on Jul 18, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya

he is a good enough hitter to go to 1st, and the giants need a hitter bad

by The_Fan on Jul 18, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not. I have heard next to nothing indicating he won’t catch. Where did you pick up this consensus?

by FreshStart on Jul 21, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every single scouting report on him? I think they should give him the chance to stick, but it’s looking pretty unlikely.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Jul 21, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there's some excuse for drafting based on need in the first round

when you figure there’s a moderately high chance that the player will actually work out in the majors. If he’s going to be blocked by a good player already at that position, you might direct your pick elsewhere.

That said, after the first round, positional need really shouldn’t even enter the equation. On top of that, there’s no tangible evidence that C will be blocked in the future. Posey looks good right now, but he has only a handful of games played at high levels.

Worst case scenario, you trade him or you have a good backup catcher. That seems non-horrible to me.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 19, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

We already have a Grant Green

His name is Brandon Crawford and he’s playing SS in Conn. with much better D than Green will ever have. As for Wheeler, once he physically matures (he should easily put on about 10-20 pounds of muscle) and adds 2-5 MPH to his FB, I believe that he’ll be seen as a steal at #6. Both Matzek and Turner already seem to be about as tall and muscular as they’re going to get, so I don’t see them adding much velocity in the future.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 18, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they

need to add much more velocity, haven’t both Turner and Matzek hit 98mph and sit 93-95? How can u justify saying that Matzek & Turner have physically matured while Wheeler has not? Seems like homerism at its best.

by AthleticsReign on Jul 19, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just look at them, and listen to what the scouts have to say. Turner and Matzek weigh about 20-30 pounds more than Wheeler and look fully grown, while Wheeler looks like a young skinny colt. On draft day Wheeler was standing next to his older brother (about 5 years older). They looked like carbon copies of each other in terms of height, frame and facial features, except the older bro had about 20 pounds more muscle than Zack. Obviously it’s not a science, but of the 3 pitchers Wheeler is by far the most likely to continue growing into his frame.

Besides that, Wheeler pitches at the same velocities as Turner and Matzek right now (sits around 93 and can hit 98 when he wants to). That’s why I believe Wheeler has a higher velocity ceiling. With these 3 kids, though, in the end it won’t be velocity that makes the difference between them. The one(s) that makes it big will be able to have command and control of their FB, and to develop 1 or 2 strong secondary pitches.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 19, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler seems good

2-3 years till the majors I bet. Is he the brother of Dan Wheeler?

by The_Fan on Jul 18, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Joseph

I can’t really explain that pick-Stassi was regarded as a better Catcher and Posey is regarded as the catcher of the future and other HS pitchers were available so maybe they thought they needed a position player and saw Joseph as an easier sign then Stassi.

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by Gobroks on Jul 18, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Giants don’t really need another top-of-the line catcher with Posey and Sandoval around, so Stassi would have been a luxury. The Giants do badly need a 1B with power (for that matter they’re looking for power at every position). Both Joseph and Dominguez fit this bill. Although not specifically drafted for 1B, I firmly believe this is where they’ll end up (unless Sandoval can’t stick at 3B long-term – then they’ll keep Dominguez at 3B).

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 18, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Giants need an OF more than 1B

They have Villalona in San Jose who has some of the best power in the system but their OF’s are more high risk-high reward (IE R. Rodriguez, W. Fairley). They do also have Roger Kieschnick & Thomas Neal but I think another OF would be more helpful than another 1B.

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by Gobroks on Jul 19, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

We definitely need a backup plan to Villalona. He’s not anywhere near a sure thing to even make the big leagues.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 19, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Villalona is not even 19 yet (he’ll turn 19 in about a month) has tremendous raw power (rated as the best power in the Giants system by BA) rated as their 3rd best prospect by BA and 4th best overall by John Sickels. Now I’m not saying he’s a lock to being the next Miguel Cabrera as everyone says he is but he is a damn good prospect and 1B is most likely not an area of concern for the Giants front office.

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by Gobroks on Jul 19, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

I’m a huge Giant fan and stick up for AnVil all the time. But, it’s not smart to put all our eggs in 1 basket in developing our 1B for the future. AnVil has a high upside, but you have to admit he also has a high chance of failure due to his lack of contact, plate discipline and overall concentration level. Above and beyond that, knock on wood, players do get injured. If you look around our farm system, the only other halfway legit 1B right now is Pill in Conn.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 19, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree AnVil is a high risk-high reward player

I just don’t think AnVil has shown that he’s going to be a bust although next year at Conn. will be a huge test because the Hi-A to AA jump is extremely difficult. If he doesn’t pan out then we still have Ishikawa who is still pretty young, very good defensively and improving offensively.

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by Gobroks on Jul 20, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he IS high-reward

Really. What’s his realistic best case scenario? Let’s say 35 HR and 35 2B a season, which is really pushing the envelope, but I’ll play along for purposes of this example. BABIP of around .320, K rate of 25% of his PA, walk rate of 5%. We can now figure out how good he is in a typical 600 PA season:

150 strikeouts
30 walks
35 HR
35 2B
88 1B

.277/.313/.522

That’s in the neighborhood of 10 RAA as a hitter. Even if he’s a fairly good defensive 1B (+2.5 runs compared to an average 1B), that’s a league average player, maybe a little above.

Yes, you read that correctly. Angel Villalona can hit 35 home runs a season and be a league average player. That’s what happens when you have only one tool that’s MLB-quality.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That tool is what the Giants need

If the Giants have a future middle of the order of Sandoval, Posey & Villalona then Sandoval & Posey will get pitches to hit because the pitchers won’t want to face the raw power of AnVil… plus the scouting report is that he needs better pitch recognition which is typical of a lot of young Giants players (Bowker & Sandoval being 2 obvious choices) if he can develop that pitch recognition which Sandoval did then maybe he has a shot of being the next Miguel Cabrera like the scouts projected.

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by Gobroks on Jul 20, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

It’s gonna be Posey – Sandoval – THOMAS NEAL.

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by jponry on Jul 20, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup protection doesn't exist

No one who’s studied it has ever found any effect whatsoever.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

it exists in part, at least.

It is hard to detect statistically, though. Many lineups change significantly year to year, so it is almost always SSS. A lot depends on the particular players in question: putting a good fastball hitter in front a top, top level hitter can definitely have an effect. Good examples of this would be Aurilia’s career year in front of Bonds, and Ethier last year in front of ManRam. Other examples can certainly be named.

Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball

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by haverecords on Jul 20, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other examples can certainly be named cherrypicked from the vast morass of meaningless data.

Corrected.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

nein.

It would only be cherrypicking if I were to claim that protection exists in something like a normative fashion. You may wish to re-read, with accuracy in mind this time.

Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball

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by haverecords on Jul 21, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK

I see this:

it exists in part, at least.

Seems pretty “normative” to me, at least if that means what I think it means.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, not exactly. There are qualifications even to that statement. Given the qualifications which follow that statement, it is more "it exists under certain circumstances, and thus in part—but only in part’.

An interesting study would be to look at good fastball hitters, and how they performed when in front of a top level hitter, and how they did otherwise. (and also how more balanced, or hitters who excel hitting other pitchers do in similar situation). Even if this study demonstrated or suggested fastball hitters especially excel in front of a top hitter, it wouldn’t prove any more than that. The anecdotal evidence for it is pretty strong, but the study would be nice.

Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball

"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson

by haverecords on Jul 21, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've now resorted to a dictionary

and determined that “normative” does not, in fact, mean what I thought it meant, but doesn’t mean what you think it means either. It in fact means something like “A statement about what ought to be the case.”

Since I have no idea why anyone would claim that protection ought to exist (or even what that statement would mean in a baseball context— that baseball isn’t real baseball unless hitter protection exists??), I think we can safely eliminate the philosophy buzzwords from the conversation.

I have no idea why you think your “anecdotal evidence” is strong. It isn’t— it’s exactly the kind of “evidence” which has routinely proven to be totally worthless.

Case reports in scientific literature are used as a way of saying “hey, this was something interesting/memorable/awful that happened. Someone should check it out further.” Well, in this case, people HAVE checked it out further. It’s junk. Google “lineup protection in baseball” and you can read up on it to your heart’s content, or perhaps discontent would be a better word in this case.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 22, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Mike Jacobs

And that is obviously not a compliment.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Jul 20, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've made the comparison before

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Jacobs? Really?

He’s one of the youngest players in the Cal league and he’s holding his own-although his OBP is troubling (.306) he’s also the 2nd best hitting prospect in a good farm system and IMO the 7th best Minor League 1B (behind Smoak, Hosmer, Alonso, Lars Anderson, Logan Morrison & Chris Carter) all of which are very good 1B’s and as far as only having 1 ML tool- I think his hitting, defense, arm and power will all be at least average, his speed might be his only tool that’s not ML average.

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by Gobroks on Jul 20, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus

OK, if I hear the phrase “holding his own” applied to Angel Villalona one more time, I’m going to lose my lunch. Seriously, is this some kind of Fox News-style talking point that the SFSOVA (San Francisco Society of Villalona Apologists) put out in their latest bulletin or something?

He’s not holding his own. He’s been fucking awful this year. If you want to say that’s because of ARL, fine— say that he’s been fucking awful because of ARL this year. But don’t claim that he’s holding his own, which is just fictional.

As for tools:

Hitting: I just showed you what his BA looks like with 35 HR power and a .320 BABIP (and it’s basically average). There’s pretty much no one who can sustain numbers in excess of those— the handful of super-high BABIP guys don’t have super-power and the handful of super-powerful guys don’t have super-high BABIP. Unless he cuts his strikeout rate waaaaaay down, which is very unusual, his career average will basically be .270 or worse.

Defense: It is basically impossible for a first baseman to have league-average value defensively. Albert Pujols, who metrics and scouts agree is basically the best defensive 1B in recent memory, is around 35 runs below average for his career in defensive value (despite being around 35 runs ABOVE the average first baseman).

Arm: To all practical intents and purposes, this is not a tool for first basemen.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd Best?

He’s not even 2nd best on his own team in A ball right now. You have him ahead of Posey, Neal, Kieschnick, Crawford, and Bowker as a hitting prospect? As I said, I’m a huge Giants fan, and I think that AnVil has huge potential, but so far the negatives far outweigh the positives. He is very young, and has shown an ablility to adapt for brief stretches, but let’s not pin too much hope on a young kid who hasn’t come close to looking like a pro hitter for more than several weeks, here and there, in his career.

 That’s why I think it’s a good idea to look at Dominguez and Joseph at 1B for the future – it would just be too foolish to count on AnVil being our savior at 1B.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 20, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not as good as Posey but he’s better than Kieschnick & Bowker and as for Crawford and Neal i’d like to make sure that this year isn’t an abberation- As far as him holding his own he is batting .267 which isn’t terrible he’s 4th on the team in HR’s and 3rd on the active roster now that Posey in AAA and 5th on the team in RBI’s and 4th on the active roster. I do agree that depth is not a bad thing I just don’t think it’s smart to give up on an 18 year old kid who has enormous potential- I think even if he can’t pull it together then at WORST he’s Adam Dunn with better Defense at 1B

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by Gobroks on Jul 21, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing I cannot see Angel being, is adam dunn like: Dunn walks. Villalona doesn’t. Hopefully Villalona improves it, but its extremely unlikely he’ll ever get in that territory, discipline wise.

That said, you are write to speak against those ‘giving up’ or
‘writing off’ a Dominican 18 year old in high a with decent numbers. Development can come fast and sudden in such situations, and it may with AnVil. To do is rash foolishness.

Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball

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by haverecords on Jul 21, 2009 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously I don’t agree with your ranking him ahead of Neal, Kieschnick, Bowker and Crawford, but I do agree with you that it’s idiotic for people to be writing him off as a flop. After all, he won’t be 19 until next month, so this is his high school senior year. Name me one other HS player that was drafted in June of this year that will play the whole season in A+ ball. The answer is none – in fact I’ll guarantee that none of them even gets to play 1 game in A+ ball this year. Even when AnVil starts the season back at SJ again next year he’ll still be one the highest-placed HS players from that class.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 21, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think even if he can’t pull it together then at WORST he’s Adam Dunn with better Defense at 1B

You have got to be kidding me.

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by lenscrafters on Jul 22, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, in your opinion,

the best case scenario for Angel Villalona is a .145 ISOP? Now, I’m not Villalona’s fan at all, but that’s simply ludicrous as a best case scenario. Besides scouts saying that he has potentially plus-plus power, we have the results of a .165 ISOP in R ball at age 16, a .172 ISOP in A ball at age 17, and a .130 ISOP in A+ ball at age 18. In other words, a .145 ISOP seems like a rather conservative estimate rather than a best-case scenario at all.

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by OldProspects on Jul 20, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might want to recheck the ol' math there

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 20, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're saying I shouldn't post with fever?

I apologize

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by OldProspects on Jul 20, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem

Honest mistake— I’ve done it plenty of times.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re a sharp guy, but I don’t think .277/.313/.522 is necessarily a realistic best-case scenario. I guess it all depends on your definition of “realistic.”

I look at young players, especially teenage prospects, as highly unpredictable. Prospects sometimes take a giant step forward without any obvious explanation why. If that happens to Angel, he’ll be a real asset at first base. If not, well, whatever.

I think youngsters are more unpredictable than most people think. Your skepticism is warranted, but I think you’re selling his upside a bit short, too.

by Dan from NM on Jul 20, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point I'm trying to make here is that players who don't walk, strike out a lot and don't play defense

have a really hard cap on how good they can possibly be.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 21, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he doesn’t improve over the next 7 weeks AnVil will be back at SJ next year. No way they promote him to AA with these results.

Also, the Giants AA team is about 95% certain to be out of Conn. and into Richmond, VA this offseason.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 20, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 correction and 1 question

Andy, great job as usual. I have 1 correction and then 1 question for you. I already posted them on the McCovey Chronicles site, but wanted to put them here also, just in case you didn’t have time to wade through all the comments on the McCoven.

First the correction. At least 2 oulets have reported that Alex Burg (the #24 round pick from WSU) already signed way back in the beginning of June. He had arthroscopic knee surgery on June 29, and is already in Scottsdale waiting for it to heal before playing. As an aside, I think that you may be selling Burg a bit short, as it appears to me that he was held back from starting more games at C because of his knee injury. He was the leading hitter on the team with an avg/obp/slg line of .346/.469/.631 – outstanding for a C. I could only find a link to one of the sources with his signing info (I believe the other was the SF Chronicle), but here it is:
http://washingtonstate.scout.com/a.z?s=137&p=9&c=2&cid=877338&nid=4430696&fhn=1

Now the question. In your experience, what is the history of pitchers whose arms have been abused during their college year(s)? Do they often recover back to their past levels of success, and, if so, what ballpark percentages are we talking about, and how long does it usually take? I imagine that with pitchers like that it would behoove the Giants to shut them down the rest of this year as much as possible, and then treat them with kid gloves next year. I’m guessing that’s why Stoffel has yet to be assigned or pitch even though he signed several weeks ago.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 18, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Andy, I was trying to find a way to contact you on your blog without making a post to ask my question so sent an e-mail to the e-mail address you have listed on your account here. The website looks like it hasn’t been touched in months so I don’t know if you still check it or not. Do you have another way to contact you so I can send the e-mail again if you do not have access to that address anymore? Thanks.

by jfish26101 on Jul 19, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Question: ?

who are the current top 3 OF prospects for the San. Fran Giants right Now ?

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 20, 2009 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Gotta say...

Roger Kieschnick, Thomas Neal & Rafael Rodriguez.

by royshowell on Jul 20, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ordering those three, I’d go:

Neal
Rodriguez
Kieschnick

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jul 20, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say

1. Thomas Neal (A+ Cal League)
2. John Bowker (AAA PCL – just called up to the Majors 2 weeks ago)
3. Roger Kieschnick (A+ Cal League)
4. Rafael Rodriguez (AZ Rookie League)

In general, the vast majority of the Giants’ hitting talent is at A+ and below, while the pitching talent is much more evenly spread out – with the jewels in the crown at AA.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 20, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Stoffel's pro debut

Stoffel pitched the 7th inning last night (July 19th) for the Giants’ AZ Rookie League affiliate, in a blow-out win. It was 3-up, 3-down with 3 flyball outs. No info available on what his velocity was like.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jul 20, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

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