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Sean Gallagher

Sean Gallagher was included in the Scott Hairston deal, making the package the As dealt to the Padres Craig Italiano, Ryan Webb, and Gallagher.

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Gallagher is currently on the AAA DL with a knee injury, but he seems like a potentially big prize for the Padres if he successfully heals. He had quite a bit of success in the minors, striking out enough batters and giving up few enough homers to survive questionable control and consistently have a FIP in the 3s. In 128 IP over 2 seasons in the majors, he's actually done reasonably well - striking out 113, though walking 65, for an FIP of 4.50 - not a disastrous start for a 23 year old pitcher. Considering he's moving to one of the best pitchers' park in the game, he might have an even better chance to be an impact pitcher.

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Billy Beane?

How can he possibly spin this to make the trade look like in anyway it was a good one for the A’s?

He trades for a player that in no way is going to help his team get out of the cellar, at the moment he should be begging other GM’s to take Matt Holliday off of his hands.

by CoolCat23 on Jul 13, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree.

He fills a long term hole for the team offensively and defensively at CF. The A’s are not far from contending in any way, shape, or form. Hairston is not a rental. Sweeney can’t hit LHP and is a platoon player at best. Buck and Cunningham are better suited for a corner, and Corey Brown is a ways away. There aren’t that many good CF available on the market, whether FA or trade, and there will be many teams bidding. In a better economy, Hairston would net much more than Gallagher and two filler prospects in trade.

You have to give to get.

Beane still can trade Holliday, or he can hold him for the draft picks.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How was Gallagher helping them?

I dont like giving him up, but bottom line he’s been disappointing since that trade. He screwed up a locked up rotation spot in spring and eventually got passed up by cahill, anderson, mazzaro, braden, outman, etc. Its obvious SD didnt want an eveland, simmons, gio, etc and A’s werent trading those other pitchers. They desparately needed some offense and beane was forced to beat another hairston trade offer. I believe there were giants sanchez for hairston rumors. The question is will they miss a potential solid 3/4 in gallagher and will they get a similar type caliber prospect when they trade holliday and others

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 13, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I look at this trade a couple of different ways.

The A’s traded depth (2 complete wild card minor league pitchers, one high ceiling/injury prone/unable to put it together at the MLB level pitcher) for an outfielder who can play in CF (an organizatinal weakness), or in the corners where his should also play well at this point in his career. Holliday is as good as gone, and I don’t buy into the fact that Beane should be “begging” other GM’s to take him off his hands. He’s having problems adjusting to a new team, and a new league. He also has a pretty underwhelming, and underperforming lineup around him which isn’t helping matters. That doesn’t take away from the fact that he’s a solid defender, and his down offensive year is hardly reason to believe he won’t continue to be a force on the offensive side of the ball as well.

Hairston is a productive player on both sides of the ball, and is under team control for another couple years. When Holliday departs, Hairston takes his spot which is obviously a bit of a downgrade, but a piece the A’s will need regardless. If he continues to man CF well, he immediately becomes one of the best offensive CF’rs in the league. He is hardly a guy that you get for pieces out of the scrap heap. His play, and contract situation make him a very nice piece for most, if not all teams.

Gallagher has a chance to be a solid #2-3 starter, but at this point he’s not. He had 2 good outings for the A’s after he got traded, and he’s been dealing with injuries nearly the entire time as well. There’s just as good a chance that he never reaches his potential (injuries/performance) as there is of him becoming a mainstay in somebody’s rotation. It’s hard to judge this deal at this point because the only established player in the deal in sitting in the A’s dugout, while the other 3 are still question marks. Webb and Italiano may never even see the big leagues, and were absolutely buried in the A’s depth charts. You can’t just judge a deal based on the players involved. You judge the deal as a whole, from the players, to the needs that these players fill for each team. I like this deal for both teams, and would still give the A’s the edge at this point. Remember, Beane didn’t make this deal to pull the A’s out of the cellar in 2009. He made this deal to give them a productive player beyond 2009. This is the way he’s going to have to do things considering Oakland seems to be one of the LAST places free agents consider. Deal strengths for weakness’s and hope for the best.

by JPShark on Jul 13, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Gallagher, but I think the impulse to trade pitching for hitting was clearly correct on Oakland's part

It’s not really a question of who “won” the trade, as ideally it ends up being a win for both teams.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 13, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This.

I really don’t see why anybody thinks this is a bad deal for either team. The only reason this trade doesn’t make sense is when it comes to the Pads trading away what little cheap offense they had. Still, it helps both teams.

by NateHST on Jul 13, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what i didn't like about the trade

was the when. I just didn’t see why they couldn’t wait a bit longer.

That said, adding Gallagher, who has “2/3” potential IMO but obviously hasn’t put it together yet, made this trade sound better than befre (Webb/Italiano and a PTBNL just didn’t sound that good). There’s two ways to look at this -

a) The A’s probably got a solid deal value wise. A productive, cheap OF with CF ability going for those 3 guys is either fair value, or slightly to the A’s favor, in this market

but

b) Getting 3 decent-solid arms in any deal is tough, with how protective teams are these days. The Padres should be targeting pitching, and getting a 1 solid starting talent in Gallagher is a nice return.

Overall, with the Gallagher addition, it’s about a draw. I can understand the deal from both sides – Oakland has a lot of pitching and could use, well, any offense. As for the Padres, well, Krasovic noted how another talent evaluator thought it would be 5 years before the Padres were good again. I don’t know if it’ll take that long, but Hairston wasn’t going to be a central part of any plan for their future. A nice stopgap piece, but now, they can potentially look forward to a Latos/Gallagher rotation in the near future, with perhaps Webb/Italiano as setup men (and heck, if they spin Bell, maybe Italiano can develop into a closer). Next step? Spinning Kouzmanoff for whatever they can get (more arms would probably be the focus). Getting a good starting arm in a Peavy deal and testing the waters on what they can get for Bell, Gonzalez. The latter probably isn’t something they’ll ponder this year, but considering Adrian’s age and the rebuilding process, it’s something they have to at least ponder.

by toonsterwu on Jul 13, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

webb/italiano

i think both are interesting pitchers to keep a check on, but to project them as setup man at this point is really unknown. They came in as fairly highly regarded highschool pitchers and are in their 5th/6th yrs of pro ball. I dont know if its an issue for padres,but webb was taking up a 40 man spot the last 2 yrs and italiano will be rule 5 eligible this offseason. Is their farm system void of any other power pitchers?

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 14, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't follow it as closely

only got time for my Cubs these days, but off the top, I think their best power arms are all in the lower levels, unless you consider a guy like Carrillo.

Btw, I shouldn’t have said setup. Middle relief to potentially setting up was my thought process, if they develop (I gotta think they can afford to try them as 7th inning types in the near future).

by toonsterwu on Jul 14, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a list of things the Padres need to be worried about this offseason

Finding enough space on their 40 man roster for talent is not even a blip…
Between their 40 man and 60-day DL guys, there are easily 15 who could drop off without any Padres fans dreaming of shedding a tear!

by realitypolice on Jul 17, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked Gallagher as much as the next guy a year ago

But he hasn’t been the same since Geren left him out there to give up 10 runs after he complained of pain (8-19-08). He had just four more starts after that, and only one was good. He’s been worse this year.

I’m not saying he’s been permanently damaged – I don’t think he’s actually injured now – but I do wonder if that injury last year has lowered his ceiling a bunch.

Plus, Geren clearly hates Gallagher more than he hates Travis Buck. He wasn’t going to get a fair shot with that assclown managing the team, so may as well move him.

by thejd44 on Jul 13, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been wondering what happened

thanks for pointing out the game for me. Was it something Gallagher did to get on Bob G’s bad side?

by toonsterwu on Jul 13, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling that Geren has some dumbass old school football mentality

Where he thinks a guy is “soft” if he in any way doesn’t want to play because of injury. I think that’s part of why Harden was traded, why Buck has gotten the shaft over and over again, why Cunningham is relegated to Sacramento, and why Gallagher was in the doghouse and is now in San Diego. Seems like the nagging injury types or guys who get hurt a couple times get on Geren’s bad side and are out the door (except veterans like Chavez, Ellis, and Duchscherer, because Geren loves veterans like Amy Winehouse loves being a crackwhore). You could even go back to Bradley, though everybody ends up hating Bradley so I guess that one isn’t on Geren.

It’s all conjecture, but there seems to be a developing pattern.

by thejd44 on Jul 14, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re

I posted about it a couple times on AN. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he’s got a significant undiagnosed larbral tear. They’re hard as hell to see on MRI (plus every pitcher has labral fraying which is really small tears and that just confuses the diagnostic issue even more). I don’t know what his continuing velocity problems indicate other than arm problems. I don’t buy Geren’s suggestion of mechanical problems at all. That’s cya stuff for the A’s running him out there multiple times while hurt last year.

by AgitationStation on Jul 14, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Decent Trade

The A’s get OF Depth so they can trade Holliday without their offense hurting too much and the A’s have a lot of pitching depth so Gallagher was expendable and the Padres seem to be stock piling Arms and Gallagher is one of the better one’s they’ve aquired this year.

Grab Some Pine Meat!

by Gobroks on Jul 13, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SD has taken far too much heat for the trade

I like their side. I understand the Athletics side and the value in Hairston but they’re getting the young pitching they’ve coveted for months now and I’m still a fan of Gallagher. I understand Hairston’s value but he’s replaceable, especially to a team with no shot of winning. His production types can be found/acquired relatively easily (obviously easier before they reach their potential ala the Padres first acquiring him).

by cowboy4eva on Jul 13, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, this isn't a bad trade for SD

Although I don’t think Webb will amount to much and I think Italiano’s ceiling is in the bullpen. It’s a pretty fair trade, but I think people are down on the SD side because they traded away a need (offense). But they’re not winning now anyway, so why not just get that offense later on? It’s not like they traded Adrian Gonzalez.

I want to know how SD tricked Oakland into thinking Scott Hairston can handle center fielder competently.

by thejd44 on Jul 14, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty easy to sign reasonable approximations of Scott Hairston without breaking the bank

Decent young starters with upside and options who are under team control are a bit harder to come by.

by alskor on Jul 14, 2009 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I find interesting is that the A's seem to have identified Hairston as the CF

When it’s possible that Cunningham, Buck, and Sweeney are all better defensively (and Cunningham and Buck are probably better offensively).

by thejd44 on Jul 14, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't tell if you're drinking the A's prospect kool-aid or the Scott Hairston haterade

but this

(and Cunningham and Buck are probably better offensively)

is just silly. Both of them dream of one day posting a season as good as the one Hairston has already posted.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 14, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, I was halfway referring to a more developed Cunningham/Buck

and halfway making an argument that both guys are good enough to play regularly in the majors right now.

Neither of which necessarily means they’d put up better numbers than Hairston immediately, though that’s kinda what I said. I was intending to speak more towards ability/ceiling that current skill level.

I don’t dislike Hairston. I like the move for Oakland.

by thejd44 on Jul 14, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

If we’re talking 3 years from now, it’s a different story. Of course, 3 years from now, Hairston won’t be an Athletic.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 14, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope that the A's are seeing Cunningham/Hairston/Buck as the outfield

and not Sweeney in the long term picture, assuming that Buck and Cunningham improve a decent bit (which I think is very, very feasible if they’re given full time playing time).

Both Cunningham and Buck are good enough to play regularly in the majors right now, I agree.

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 14, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must have missed the part where Martin Perez reached the majors

Wait, excuse me, did I say the majors? I meant High-A ball.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 14, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shrug

It’s very possible that I will have, but it hasn’t happened yet. If it does, I won’t be crying in my coffee.

It’s not even relevant to this discussion… just KH being a gratuitous jackass…

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 14, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is what i got from it

if Buck/Cunningham dream of Hairston MLB season, then Perez dreams to put up a Simmons season in the higher majors. He’s coming at your reasoning that just because BuckIngham haven’t had a season like Hairston has that doesn’t mean that they aren’t the more talented players and deserve playing time. Most would agree that Perez is the better player even though he hasn’t put up a decent season in the higher levels of the minors.

by smoooooth on Jul 14, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The original post, which I will requote for clarity:

(and Cunningham and Buck are probably better offensively)

If JD had replaced “are” with “will eventually be”, I wouldn’t have said it was a silly statement, although one can still argue whether it’s true or not (I would tend to agree w/r/t Cunningham, but not Buck— too many nagging injuries).

Most people, myself included, would agree that Martin Perez has now become the better prospect, but that obviously has a lot to do with their respective performances this season… and it also obviously is not anywhere close to a settled issue.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 14, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh...thats right

Martin Perez sucks then. All hail Doug Mathis!

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 14, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silly?

Scott Hairston is 29 year old average outfielder who will block the development of Cunningham and Buck.

Buck and Cunningham have youth and the ability to outperform Hairston

by gunkdog on Jul 14, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Average?

He has a wOBA of like .390 this year. Even assuming that’s not sustainable, ZiPS projects him at .351 for the rest of the season. The trend in his defensive numbers is generally positive, too.

I’d expect most projections to put him in the ~3 WAR a season range.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 14, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats

I love statistics – one can always find statistics to support their theory. Some people love wOBA, some do not. I could focus on a single stat too: Hairston’s 2009 BABIP is 55 points higher than his career average. But that stat is arguable as well.

Its comes down to an organization, out of the playoffs, acquiring a player who is either at his peak or just past his peak, and now blocks two of their top OF prospects in Buck and Cunningham. Hairston has never had more than 362 PA in a Major League Season.

The organization would be better off staying away from giving at-bats to guys like Cust, Davis, and Hairston, and just giving consistent playing time to Buck (25) and Cunningham (23) in the majors. Their peaks at 28/29 should be higher than Hairston’s, but they need to develop with regular PT.

Oh yeah, with consistent Major League playing time, Buck had a wOBA of 0.363 in 2007 as a 23 year old.

by gunkdog on Jul 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the gist of what you are saying.

although I like the Hairston deal as a whole.

Cust should be DH, full time. I do want to see him get his plate approach back together, which is likely (I hate you Geren).

Getting guys like Giambi, Cabrera, Nomar, and Crosby (and Holliday/Kennedy if they can be traded for acceptable returns) out of there ASAP should be priority #1.

Honestly, I’m not a Sweeney believer, as he can’t hit LHP and has never been able to, and think that he would benefit more from AAA time than Buck or Cunningham would (that is to say, none of them should be in AAA, but there are too many guys and not enough spots).

"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden

Free Travis Buck.

by Blicks on Jul 14, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does it "block" them?

There are 3 outfield positions. Before the Hairston deal, the A’s starting— starting!— outfield next season looked like Buck/Sweeney/Cunningham. I would love to believe that that outfield would be a competitive group, but the odds are that at least one and, very possibly, two of those players would either be injured or suck. At which point, you’re looking at some really shady replacements and/or rushing prospects to the majors.

I’ve been nosing around into this issue since before the trade was announced, and I really felt the A’s needed to solve at least four “problem areas” on their roster before next season in order to be competitive. They only had enough cash to basically solve two, which means two more needed to be dealt with through trades. The Hairston deal is a good start, I think.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 14, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was it his career positive UZR there?

Maybe the significant plus numbers he’s been posting as a corner OF? There’s really no reason to think that he can’t handle CF competently.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 14, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, aside from misplaying at least 3 balls in his first, what, 5 games with Oakland?

He was solid in center last year, not so much this year. And he doesn’t pass the eye test, either. I’d love it if he could handle center, but so far he’s been unable to make some fairly routine plays.

by thejd44 on Jul 14, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless my memory fails me…

One of those plays was a weird flyball to the crazy part of Fenway, where he had never played, and didn’t even have a chance to take outfield practice before the game.

I believe another was a miscommunication between him and Sweeney.

Not a great way to start things out, but nothing I would use to discount a guy’s history as a seemingly solid defender.

by chri5 on Jul 14, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have never thought much of Gallagher

I have horrified by the Harden trade so this actually makes me happy.

by novaoakland on Jul 14, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hairston replaces the 09 version of holliday

which isnnt too hard to do. with above avg CF defense.
cheap righty bat that destroys lefties, a huge weakness for A’s.
They dont trust cunningham/buck/sweeney yet and it buys some time to evaluate Brown/Desme/Doolittle/Sulentic/Spencer etc who may or may not be decent players eventually. Hopefully closer to Cruz/Ethier, than Hererra/Robnett/Putnam.

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 14, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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