New Thread: Liveblogging the Futures Game
by John Sickels on Jul 12, 2009 6:32 PM EDT
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The gun on Gameday
Has Felix in the 97-100 range:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_07_12_wftmin_uftmin_1&mode=gameday
Tillman was working 92 – 96
that seems more right to me
than the gun on ESPN
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
feliz
After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard.
by John Sickels on Jul 12, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Totally agree.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
This will be interesting
i saw a few times in Frisco last yr and Feliz was TERRIBLE holding runners. Dont think wallace is really a threat though
Q about Wallace
I’ve heard there are doubts about whether he can stick at third. Is this true?
Yeah, he made a good play earlier in the game, but the consensus is that he'll have to move across the diamond...
not that he will with Pujols there, so I believe St. Louis will play him at third when he’s ready to be called up and suffer with the defense if they have too.
That’s just my opinion on the situation though.
by byronlhsdrmr on Jul 12, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter lines to Feliz.
Ouch.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
true. More like "pops", except it wasn't very high
lol.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Is it Bumgarner time?
me hope so
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
i’m guessing he won’t pitch. he was warming up before the delay, so he probably went the way of Tazawa
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
i was really excited
to see the both of them
"If you were a hot dog, would you eat yourself?"
if thats the case.......
i will be muy angry
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
drabekj
drabek. Ok this guy is having a great year. Looks like he’s overcome makeup issue and the arm problms too
not sure what to think about feliz
Obviously it’s a tiny sample size, but he didn’t overly impress me. Yes, he throws very hard but it was straight as an arrow, his breaking pitch didn’t seem to have that much movement, and I think major league hitters will lay off a lot more of his pitches outside the zone.
Sorry. But I laugh at you, if you weren’t impressed.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
I'm impressed by the arm, absolutely
just not everything else by that small exposure to him. How many swings did he get on fastballs well outside of the zone? Do you really think major league hitters are going to swing at those?
More than you realize. He’s got a good bit more movement than your picking up, and at that velocity, you don’t have time to be picky. Sure, he needs better control, but he’s super young, so wait on that. Especially with arm like that.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
I'm not nailing the coffin shut on him
I’m just saying that from that inning, I wasn’t as impressed as I expected I’d be based on the report on him
This is comical
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
how is it funny?
I’m not saying that I think he’s terrible or anything like that. I’m just saying from that inning, he didn’t life up to all the hype surrounding him in my eyes and I think if you looked past the velocity and hype, a lot of you would too. But whatever, you’re allowed to have your own opinions just like I am but I’m not going to be a dick about it.
It's comical
because you’re actually having a discussion about movement when you could just get the velocity and break data from gameday. 97-101 with about 6’ of break. Yeah, your eyes can tell you what you want, but to straight up dismiss gameday in order to make yourself feel better about a horrid trade is comical.
So your denial, that’s what’s comical
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
so can Zumaya
and he’s lit the world on fire so far in his career. I still really like him as a prospect, I’m just saying from that inning, I wasn’t as impressed as I expected to be.
ok, well what more do want him to do?
throw 110? He threw every pitch over 97 and alot of them at 100 with 6 inches of movement on it, there just arent pitchers who can do that
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
well if I could change something that inning
I’d like to see him throw more pitches in the strikezone because as I’ve said, I don’t think major leaguers will swing at nearly as many balls as minor leaguers.
We'll get a chance to see
pretty soon. He’ll be in the Rangers bullpen in a week or two.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
try sitting behind the plate at a game he pitches
the ball isnt nearly as straight as you think it is
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno the fastball he used to srikeout
Young Jr. exploded out of the zone
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
lol
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 12, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
laugh
but how many guys are there in the majors that can throw 95 easily and aren’t that successful? A big arm doesn’t necessarily mean success
he wasnt throwing 95
he was throwing 97-101 according to Mayo. The ESPN was not right during his whole inning
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of speed. you might want to type slower. It will keep you from embarrassing yourself more.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
You're kind of a dick, aren't you?
God forbid someone have an opinion that doesn’t completely fit in with the general thought.
But..But..But
is generally not thought of as an opinion.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Not going out of my way to be so. I’m serious, you keep digging yourself a hole here—and i’m hardly the only one who thinks that. So, for your own sake, be more judicious.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
I really could care less about what everyone else thinks
Otherwise I’d go “wow, VELOCITY!!!!” like everyone else. I laid out exactly what I thought. Great arm, really good velocity (I dont think it was 101, but 96-98 consistently seems right (and considering the report was 4 mph low, that sounds about right), and a lot of swings at fastballs out of the zone that major leaguers would lay off. Not saying he won’t improve his command, not saying he won’t be a very successful major leaguer, not saying I’m not impressed by his outing, just not as impressed as I expected to be since I really have liked him since he started pitching with the Braves.
alright
But that was 100 MPH stuff, he’s been throwing like that ever since he’s been put in the pen, and you wont find a better fastball in the entirety of MiLB… The pitch is just that unique with great movement, he gets swing and misses on it because of that. He’s been improving his control all year at AAA to the tune of posting the 2nd best FIP in the PCL. He’s walked less and less batters. He still needs to work on his secondary pitches, but he’s 21 YRs old.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Dude, he's like Josey
just stop.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 12, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
why does everyone think I'm saying he sucks?
The guys in the booth were sayin that he could have a big impact on the AL West this season and that ‘s the kind of hype he has, I’m not saying he won’t ever be a huge impact arm and obviously he has a ton of time to improve because he is young, but I just don’t think he lived up to the hype from that tiny little sample.
so, you can tell if someone is throwing 101 by watching on TV?
wow, what kind of eye surgery did you have.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
but wow
He’s REALLY short. I’d love to know his REAL height.
When I met Jimmy Rollins
the man was no more than 5’5"
He’s listed as 5’10"
Same deal with Lo Duca
I’m 5’8 so i can tell the difference between those heights pretty easily too.
by METSMETSMETS on Jul 12, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. if he has command like his dad, with that stuff…very nice!
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
drabek
really looks like a major league pitcher. If he can keep the makeup shit under control he’ll be great.
John your in
St Louis correct? It’s true Bumgarner isn’t going to pitch right?
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
no
No I’m sitting here in my office in Lawrence, watching on TV like the rest of you.
by John Sickels on Jul 12, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Flores
missed the first ab of the inning. How did flores look?
well
he didnt see a ton of pitches…grounded out to 2nd…but at 17 not many people are ready for drabek…seriously, is he a miggy clone or what
wallace is also at home.....
but their both butcher like i wouldnt look to much into it
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
I think it's more telling of the location of the game
Maybe it has something to do with defense but I would guess it is more of a nod to the hometown crowd.
predictable?
Pedro Alvarez gets put away without much of a problem by lefty with decent stuff.
yeah
looked terrible in that 1st at bat and not so good his 2nd either
despite my mention of his height
I really like this one. He’s got the whole package . . .maybe only a couple of minor league arms I’d take over him. Maybe.
i like oswalt comp more
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
I can see it
mid 90s FB good curve/changes speeds well
by byronlhsdrmr on Jul 12, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
he’s already a badass
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 12, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
He has a LOT of room to fill out. Very, very lanky.
and there's a ton to like.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
with all that Atl
gave up in the Tex trade, very impressed they still have Hanson and Heyward in the org.
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Flowers and Heyward back to back singles.
about it.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
Was that 96 mph a breaking ball?
They just said that on TV
They had a 93 MPH breaking ball from Feliz earlier
So . . .for the sake of their arms, I sure hope not.
gun
ignore the gun. just look at the movement, how the hitters pick it up or don’t pick it up.
by John Sickels on Jul 12, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like it. We’ll see where in the minors he ends up this year. That’ll tell us how aggressively they want to move him.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
Eh
Opening day? Probably would be a really bad idea.
Mid-season? Maybe, but probably still not a good idea unless they move him really quickly to AAA and he handles that competition easily.
I would hope by now we’d all understand the value of a lot of patience. Especially with prospects not yet old enough to drink.
I wouldn't consider it too likely.
Not really a smart idea to rush up a prospect like that. Maybe mid 2010, but I let him have all the AA and AAA time he needs.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
I think we could see him
after he ineligible to be a super-2 player
by jason heyward on Jul 12, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
heyward has
alot more weight he could add on his frame 2
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
couldn't agree more
but he was a stronger pitcher than I expected, based off of what I’ve read.
Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson
boy do i wish..........
bumgarner was throwing…….? what pitcher is everyone most excited 2 c mine is……Latos or parker
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
Parker
Although I’d like to see Houston’s Chi Jen-Lo as well
by byronlhsdrmr on Jul 12, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i assume you are a Giants fan with that SN...
enjoy the next 10 yrs with Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner and Alderson
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah the giants
have a bright future….Just have to get some bats (dont know much about their system)
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
System has bats. Posey, Villalona, Neal all are nice hitting prospects. And there some other interesting ones too.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
okay so couple them with Sandoval
and i like the Giants to win some West titles.
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
havent heard much about him before today
got anymore info?
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he hearing impaired?
Just saw what looked like hearing aids. Wow, makes the kid’s accomplishments all the more impressive.
Yep
30% one ear and 60% other.
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agree
Agree. Now it looks like he’s quickening up but his first few pitches looked kind of awkward
by John Sickels on Jul 12, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
matusz
frankly I thought he looked smoother in college. His delivery is concerning me for some reason…looks stressful on back and shoulder.
by John Sickels on Jul 12, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gary Thorne
doing play by play, I know about his gaffes all too well. The amount of 95 mph “sliders” I see during O’s games is baffling
Matusz
looks like he has a premature follow through what i mean by this is that he prematurely releases the ball and is upright rather than a normal motion he looks hunched upon released
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
that was as easy a steal of 3rd as you’ll see
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
Matusz
I think he’ll need time to solidify his command at the highest levels. . .but he’s got a nice deep repertoire of quality pitches.
matusz
ok, matusz impressions…..it was just one inning, but IIRC he looked smoother in college. I liked Drabek’s delivery a lot better.
honestly
drabek looks like the son of a MLer. That is type of delivery you teach to your kids, wow
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
This guy just jumped 10-15 spots on everybody’s list . . .well, the ones who didn’t have him rated properly, that is.
Well...
I had the top three Phillies guys all top 20. Drabek i had over Latos. Kid’s a beast.
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That wasn't his delivery coming out of high school though
The Phils “rebuilt” his mechanics after his TJ surgery.
agreed according to BA
“Ben Badler, whose sitting down behind the plate, reports that Yohan Flande strides toward first and throws across his body” via twitter Flande has some problems 2
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
I really wanted to see Bumgarner
since reported fasbtall readings are conflicting and to see how pedestrian his secondary offerings are
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
the reports on the secondary stuff is inconsistent, because the pitch is inconsistent. It can look very good, and it can not. Fastball readings have been pretty consistent: where are you getting the different reads?
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
I've heard 92-94
ive heard 93-96 bt yea I understand what you mean i’ve heard it’s been plus to underwhelming at times for that reson
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
Yeah, he floats in that range….no real difference in those reports(92-96). The key for him will be the change.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
numbers don't lie
Eric Young Jr. homers off him, not a huge power threat.
Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson
K/9ip
is good but otherwise agreed also Santana is cathcing now
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
Eric Young Jr.
When is he gonna get a call-up?
young
Eric Young!!
I really think people underrate this guy, and I’m not sure why….he’s very fast, son of a major leaguer.
Fielding
I heard his glove was bad at second – shift to outfield (Uptons) may be in his future
by byronlhsdrmr on Jul 12, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
glove
yeah i’ve heard that too. But i’ve seen him play a lot in the minors and he’s never looked bad to me…maybe not great, but not bad.
by John Sickels on Jul 12, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
Yes, they are. But I still like him.
by John Sickels on Jul 12, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
reasons
-lack of draft pedigree
-plays in the Colorado system (a bunch of offense-happy places)
-some may believe his pop doesn’t project to the majors (related to the second)
-glove questions
I guess it’s a credit to sabermetrics, although mistakenly so in this case?
draft
I think point ONE is the most important one….because traditionalists who still look at the tradiitonal things more than the stat things don’t praise him much, The guy can fly, and usually traditionalists love that.
by John Sickels on Jul 12, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i think there should be a new rule
that if Erin Andrews talks at all, she MUST also be shown on a split screen ha
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Samuel is short-arming the ball
could see arm-issues arriving unless he changes something.
Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson
LOL at Dodgers for giving him up for Casey Blake.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
that was the biggest jump I have ever seen
he was at third before santana got the ball
Adoptive parent of Kyle Nicholson
reminds me of Juan Salas' 2-3 years ago in the futures game
http://caincecum.blogspot.com/
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