1 Hopefully sensible Trade Proposition

by sagecoll on Jul 11, 2009 10:34 PM EDT Comment 29 comments

I'm a realist. The Mets have no chance of making the playoffs. So they should probably start dealing. Let's see if these work

1)Mets trade Carlos Delgado, Sean Green, and Jeff Francouer

to the Giants for: Tim Alderson and Nate Schierholtz

The trade gives the Giants the power bat they might need during the playoff push with Delgado (assuming he's a step-up from Ishikawa when he gets back---look at his VORP pre-injury), and also gives them a bullpen specialist which will also help for the same purpose.

For the Mets, it gets them a solid pitcher back, and the Giants have a surplus of pitchers so they may be more willing to part with one. It also gets rid of the brat that is Jeff Francouer and offers Schierholtz the opportunity to start consistently that he didn't get in San-Fran

The other thing that makes this work is Sabean-nuff said.

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I don't see the Giants' benefit

Even if the Mets do eat some of his contract, the Giants are probably adding at least $10 million to their payroll for a player coming back in mid-August best case. And who knows how he’ll take the return. Green’s OK, but I don’t see how valuable he is in comparison to Alderson. As with Francoeur — if the Giants wanted him, I’m sure the Mets wouldnt have ended up with him.

by METSMETSMETS on Jul 11, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

Nothing there to interest the Giants. Certainly nothing worth giving up Alderson for.

Heck, I wouldnt give up Schierholtz for Delgado and Francouer… nevermind throw in a very good (if overrated) pitching prospect.

by alskor on Jul 11, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

I think of Schierholtz as basically Jeff Francoeur with less service time… that’s “better,” but it’s not that much better…

I’d do that deal in a second, assuming the money is available.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 11, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The biggest reason I wouldnt do it is b/c of Delgado's salary

and the fact you have no idea what youd get from him.

As for just Francouer vs. Schierholtz, I dont like either… but Francouer’s poor approach is damning, IMHO. I was basically thinking expense and years of control there… they’re both pretty flawed players, if you ask me. Heck, I might take Francouer… but its certainly not worth taking on Delgado’s money OR giving up Alderson – never mind both.

by alskor on Jul 12, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think they're slightly different

franceour has more power, schierholz has more speed. But theyre alike enough; no plate discipline, good arms, and hard to spell last names

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by harendaman365 on Jul 13, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by Kenan and Kel on Jul 11, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

why the F would the giants want delgado?? he is old, hurt, and cost a ton

by jsmall404 on Jul 12, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's a trade proposition for the Mets

Mets trade Jeff Francoeur, Brad Holt, Wilmer Flores and Sean Ratliff

to the Indians for Victor Martinez & Ben Francisco

by METSMETSMETS on Jul 11, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Mets get 1.5 years of Martinez for $12 million

and renogotiate after that.

by METSMETSMETS on Jul 11, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

Ishikawa’s pretty mediocre, but upgrading from him to Delgado for a quarter of a season isn’t worth Tim Alderson.

by PaulThomas on Jul 11, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This.

by Forza Hudd on Jul 13, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eh

Throw in Marte for the Mets, and Kiescheck for the Giants…..any difference?

And btw, Alderson could be replaced by Jonathan Sanchez if that would make the deal different.

by sagecoll on Jul 11, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

not really

Marte’s value is very abstract at this point, and honestly he doesn’t help a deal that’s already pretty much a landslide in one direction in both money and talent.

by METSMETSMETS on Jul 12, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Money?

The mets are eating Delgado’s contract. After that he’s a free agent. If I’m not mistaken, that’s the only real money in the deal

by sagecoll on Jul 12, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well you didn't mention

the Mets eating any contract but even then from the Giants prospective they are basically trading Alderson, a top flight talent who could easily end up part of the rotation or in a blockbuster trade for Delgado, an aging 1B coming off a rather large injury and a mediocre middle reliever.

They are better off looking for Adam LaRoche, who is a monster bat in the second half.

by METSMETSMETS on Jul 12, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What

Do you think it would take the Giants to get Laroche from the Bucs?

by sagecoll on Jul 12, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Less than Tim Alderson.

by alskor on Jul 12, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brandon Crawford?

by rutgersjpm on Jul 12, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about F. Sanchez & Ad. LaRoche

For J. Sanchez, Crawford and Merkin Valdez? I don’t know if the Pirates would bite on that but as a Giants fan I’d be happy with that trade

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by Gobroks on Jul 12, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I'm the Bucs I definitely don't do that.

by nivarsity on Jul 12, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Definitely?

Dunno … seems like it could be mildly intriguing for them to land a talented guy like Crawford and an arm that’s always had some potential in Sanchez. I’m not sure which way I’d lean, yes or no, in this hypothetical, but I don’t know about definitely.

Certainly, they might be able to do better dealing them separately, but it’s not that bad, imo, to automatically rule out.

by toonsterwu on Jul 12, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This would never even be considered

Sabean has already stated multiple times that he will not trade A/B/C tier prospects for any player that will be a FA next year. So forget the Delgados, Nick Johnsons, Adam Laroches, and Aubrey Huffs of the world, unless their current teams are willing to give them up for next to nothing in a salary dump.

Above and beyond this, the trade makes no sense for the Giants because:
1. The Giants already have one of the top 2 pens in the all of baseball. They aren’t in the market for pen arms, they’re shopping them for a bat.

2. The Giants badly need RH bats with power – most especially at 2b, but also in LF/RF. They have horrible splits against LH pitching, and AT&T Park severely punishes LH power hitters (but is fair to RHs). Any 1B that they would consider would have to be RH, or a LH power hitting stud (see Prince Fielder).

3. Why would the Giants trade one of their top Minor League prospects for an OF guy that isn’t an upgrade over Schierholtz, Winn, and Lewis; and a 36 year old 1B coming off of hip surgery? Nobody has a clue how Delgado will perform the rest of the year.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 12, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this is an awful trade idea, it sounds like something one of those yahoos who listen to wfan would come up with, like this gem i heard earlier this week: Oliver Perez, Ryan Church and Daniel Murphy for Halladay…..right.

by loop on Jul 12, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, this move would make no sense for really either team imo. The giants already have a 1b (sandoval), and a top 1b prospect (villalona). They don’t want/need/desire Delgado. Also, although Alderson is good, I think he’s a #2 at the highest. If the mets want to go into rebuilding mode, then theyve gotta target #1’s and potential stars, not #2s imo

by Mets2k9 on Jul 12, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

A Couple things

1) Sandoval plays 3B, Ishikawa plays 1st.
2) There’s no telling if Villalona is even going to make the majors -267/306/397 in his third season in the minors at Hi-A
3) Your comment about #2s and 1s is kinda laughable-there are perhaps 10 young guys that you can see as being number 1s right now—-Porcello, Kershaw, Price, Strasburg, Bumgarner, Parker, Anderson (maybe Felix/Cueto), and the mets shouldn’t target anyone not in this list as far as pitchers goes?

by sagecoll on Jul 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sandoval plays 3B… not well.

by alskor on Jul 12, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

1. Sandoval will stick at 3B unless the Giants can trade for another All-Star type 3B (then he would move to 1B). Although he may move to C next year as a bridge between Molina and Posey

2. I think the Giants are intent on giving Ishikawa another 2 months to see if he can continue his recent improved hitting spree. He already is a ++ defender at 1B, and if he can just hit a minumum .270 / 20 HR / 75 RBI, then he’ll be a keeper.

3. Seeing that they play in the media fishbowl that is NYC, and they compete for eyeballs with the Yanks, can the Mets ever truly be in a full rebuilding mode? I don’t think they can resist the urge to splurge on high-profile FAs, or admit that they aren’t contending for the title at the start of any year. Certainly the current front office (and manager) can’t go into a rebuilding mode without losing their jobs.

4. If the Mets are going to target elite starting pitching prospects they’ll have to offer something other than Delgado and Francouer – and a lot of it. Face it, nobody wants those guys. I’ll be surprised if Delgado gets more than a 1 year incentive-laden contract for $5 M in FA next year.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

crap deal for the giants they take on alot of salary and not really that great of players for what exactly?

by Fishfan79 on Jul 12, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Don't want to blast because I tend to dream too,so I'll just say

that I heard Sabean on and he was very adoment that niether Bum or Alderman would be traded for a rent a bat, Francoeur has a .282OBP and .634 OPBS Shierholtz and Frenchie are one in the same so that’s strait up at best, so what your saying is Delgado for Alderson, at this point in thier career’s could this trade really be justified in the Bay area, especially after the work he just completed in San Jose. I know Sabean is the sharpest knife in the draw but he smart enough to keep his job. And who in their right mind would trade for frenchie, oh sorry Omar would.

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by fourfingerwoo on Jul 13, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs