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Prospect Retro: Brian Bannister

Prospect Retro: Brian Bannister

     Brian Bannister was drafted by the New York Mets in the seventh round in 2003, out of Southern Cal. He was successful in college and well-known to scouts due to his family background, being the son of Floyd Bannister, the David Price of 1976. Floyd was a decent pitcher who never quite lived up to expectations. His son didn't have the same kind of arm strength, but Brian was considered extremely polished. He pitched well in the New York-Penn League after signing, posting a 2.15 ERA with a 42/18 K/BB in 46 innings and allowing just 27 hits. I gave him a Grade C+ in the 2004 book, noting his strong curveball and feel for pitching but also noting his mediocre fastball.

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Bannister began 2004 with St. Lucie in the Florida State League, going 5-7, 4.32 with a 106/27 K/BB in 110 innings, allowing 111 hits. He held his own after a late promotion to Double-A, going 3-3, 4.06 in eight starts with a 28/17 K/BB in 44 innings, 45 hits allowed. Note how his strikeout rate dropped at the higher level. Despite this I gave him another Grade C+, projecting him as a useful fifth starter or long reliever.

    Bannister began '05 in Double-A and made adjustments, going 9-4, 2.56 with a 94/27 K/BB in 109 innings with 91 hits allowed. Logically promoted to Triple-A, he continued to perform well with a 4-1, 3.18 mark in eight starts with a 48/13 K/BB in 45 innings, 48 hits. His strikeout rate was moving upward, and he was now getting attention as a sleeper prospect in the baseball press. I continued to rate him as a Grade C+ prospect and future inning-eater.

    Bannister began 2006 in the Mets rotation after a strong spring training. A pulled hamstring sent him back to the minors and he ended up splitting the season between the Mets (38 innings, 4.26 ERA, 19/22 K/BB), Triple-A Norfolk (30 innings, 24/5 K/BB, 3.56 ERA) and St. Lucie (two starts). The Mets gave up on him at that point and shipped him to Kansas City for a better arm, Ambiorix Burgos. Remember him?

     Burgos had a better arm, but Bannister was the better pitcher. He went 12-9, 3.87 with a 77/44 K/BB in 165 innings for the Royals in '07, allowing 156 hits and being one of the best rookie pitchers in the game. Statheads, however, were frightened of his very low strikeout rate, warning that he was likely to go backwards in '08.

     Bannister, however, is a stathead himself and was well aware of the fact that strikeouts indicate potential for future success. He adjusted his approach in '08, and indeed he did strike out more guys last year, posting a 113/58 K/BB in 183 innings and increasing his K/9 from 4.2 to 5.6. However, it didn't help the results: his ERA jumped to 5.76 and he went 9-16. The main difference was a sharp increase in his hit rate (10.6 H/9 vs. 8.5 in '07) and more home runs given up.

      Did Bannister just have bad luck on balls in play last year, or was the league genuinely catching up to him? From watching him pitch a lot, I think it was a combination of both factors, actually. . .he had worse luck, but he also seemed to hang more pitches high in the strike zone at bad times. He seems to have turned things around this year, 4.17 ERA with a 47/25 k/BB in 78 innings, 78 hits allowed. His WHIP is 1.33, compared to 1.21 in '07 and 1.49 last year, right in between. His K/9 is 5.42, not quite as high as last year but better than '07.

      Because he doesn't have plus velocity, Bannister will live on the margins, but his intellect and feel for pitching give him an edge in adaptability and survival. As a minor leaguer, he showed the same ability to adapt that he's shown in the majors. While I don't think he's going to have a hugely successful career, he could be an average starter and  eat innings for several years, and that has value.

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re: sometimes raw tools are overrated

At least Brian will be a useful, fairly reliable innings-eater/ long-relief option, even if the Royals get a better prospect to eventually replace him in the rotation. I think the league probably caught up to him, as he does not have such crafty or even good stuff, but he will have a long career…
…. whereas, Burgos…coughs at least he used his arm for something…
That said, I’d rather have prospects who can play, not just based on pure talent alone!

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by feslenraster on Jul 1, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have only seen Bannister pitches 1 or 2 times but he does look hittable and I dont think he projects any better than a #3 starter

by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 1, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

confusing

usually a comment like this would be for someone who doesn’t already have like 4 years of major league service…there’s not much projectability at all for him. i don’t know if anyone ever projected him as a “3”, either.

not a big deal, just saying.

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by flipgatey3 on Jul 2, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think anyone expects more than that

but I think Bannister is a good example of how solid mid/back-rotation starters can be undervalued. If Bannister can go out and throw 180-200 IP with an ERA in the 4-4.3 range, that is valuable to almost any MLB team.

by deezle on Jul 1, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

banny

i was not optimistic about him but he developed a cutter and he rarely throws a straight pitch. everything seems to cut, fade, or dive away from hitters. also seems to improve his curveball a little and can get some whiffs out of the zone. i think he could be a very good #4 on a playoff caliber team.

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by doublestix on Jul 1, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Bannister

He’s a pitcher who gets the most out of his ability. He doesn’t throw hard. He uses deception, movement, speed changes, and location to effectively retire big league hitters. Something that tells me he knows how to pitch is that the second time through the lineup, hitters averages drop significantly compared to the first time through. However, the batters catch on and change their approach as he wears down the third time through destroying him.

He’ll get better with age and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go over 200 IP a few times in his career with a 4.30 ERA.

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by 306008 on Jul 1, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

He’ll have a long career in the majors…. as a scout / FO / Coach. as a player? Probably a lot better than what you could hope for a guy who barely touch 90, but that means a useful back end guy for a few more years.

Still, not bad for a 7th rounder

by RollingWave on Jul 2, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't see him having much of a career as a pitcher

I am not fond of his BB:K ratio since he is not a strike out pitcher and he is not really as big of a groundball pitcher as I would like if he is not going to be striking out guys. His ERA with the Mets should have been much higher if not for the fact that he had a knack for getting the right play at the right time and would frequently strand runners in scoring position, but that luck is not going to last forever

by mtk52983 on Jul 2, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't think that the style of pitching was partially to blame for that?

Bannister knows how to tempt batters to chase a pitch. Watch him in a few starts. Sure he has plenty of runners, but he also knows how to PITCH. It’s not that he’s lucky, it’s that he sets up hitters and gets them to roll over on a BP fastball or chase a curve that started over the plate. He knows how to pitch and that will get him outs. Is it Grienke style? Not even close. Is it Maddux/Glavine/Moyer style? You bet. Don’t discount someone because he doesn’t have stats that you are fond of. They aren’t trendy stats.

But this guy knows how to pitch and if he had stuff that was 94…. he’d be one of the best pitchers in baseball. But because he doesn’t, he does things that few guys do. Pitch and get by with below average velocity. He’ll get blown up, but so do the best.

Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.

by 306008 on Jul 3, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Side bar: Are you an angry Mets fan?

Are you holding a grudge because Burgos was a terrible pick up? Don’t take it out on Banni, take it out on Omar.

Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.

by 306008 on Jul 3, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he was a lefty

He’d probably be pitching into his late 30s.

Or is Kendry perhaps the one who needs to sit?

by BBFan1 on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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