Tuesday Discussion: You're the GM! Baltimore Orioles
You wake up this morning and discovered that you were no longer GM of the Indians, but are now GM of the Orioles. You have a team with some young talent, and your farm system is in pretty decent shape....but you are in a very tough division. How do you handle your current roster, and what do you do to challenge the rest of this highly-competitive division?
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Trade Luke Scott/ Aubry Huff for pitching
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jun 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Huff sure
Scott, no. He’s got 2 arby-eligible years left which will probably cost the team ~12-14 million dollars. He’s worth that over two years easy.
by slamcactus on Jul 2, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Snyder
Brandon Snyder was doing very well in AA and was promoted to AAA a few weeks ago and has since gone downhill a little. What kind of player can he turn into? He was a very high draft pick, did he turn some type of corner this year?
by thefordhamflash on Jun 30, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not much
I don’t think there’s a lot to do at this point. The orioles are pretty far along in the rebuilding process. Now it’s more a question of waiting (and hoping) for the young guys to develop.
I would trade Baez and Huff if I can get something decent. I would only trade Scott, Sherrill, and Guthrie if I can get some really excellent prospects - there’s no point in trading them for a bunch of B guys.
Their biggest need at this point is 3B. I’d sign DeRosa to a 2 year deal if he’s not a type A. Or maybe Beltre if he seems healthy.
They could also use a good starter of course, but given the depth in the system I wouldn’t go nuts for a FA.
Assuming Snyder continues to do well, I’d pencil him in for 1b next year. Otherwise, they could probably get a 1-2 year stopgap as a FA. And if they don’t trade Huff, offer him arb. If he accepts, you get a decent 1b for another year, and if not they get the picks.
A lineup next year of
Roberts 2b
Jones CF
Markakis RF
Wieters C
Reimold LF
Scott DH
Derosa 3b
Snyder/Huff 1b
Andino/Izturis SS
with a rotation of
Matusz
Tillman
Arrieta
Bergesen
Hernandez/Patton/Guthrie/FA
could easily win 85 games — 90 with some luck. And they should continue to improve as the young players get closer to their peaks.
by rp0806 on Jun 30, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your strategy, but not your projections
There’s no way a rotation headed by Matusz/Tillman/Arrieta wins 85, let alone 90 games, in 2009. They could eventually be excellent starters, but it isn’t certain that Matusz and Arrieta even make the majors by the start of 2009, and they probably won’t excel immediately.
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by OldProspects on Jun 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, 2010
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by OldProspects on Jun 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
That rotation is more a 2011 Opening Day rotation if all goes well. Maybe it’s also a September call-up rotation at the end of 2010.
by basemonkey on Jul 3, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skeleton roster for 2010
C Wieters
1B
2B Roberts
SS Izturis
3B Wigginton
LF Reimold
CF Jones
RF Markakis
DH Scott
BN Andino
BN Pie
BN
BN
SP
SP
SP Guthrie
SP Uehara
SP Bergesen
RP Sherill
RP Johnson
RP Ray
RP Albers
RP
RP
RP
These are the guys who are signed through next year and have shown enough at the major league level to be expected to produce. These players will cost about $45MM combined.
The obvious holes to fill are corner infield and pitching.
Step one is to see if you can get anything at the deadline for the free agents-to-be (Huff, Baez, Mora). It’s doubtful these guys will fetch anything more than depth players.
Step two is to make a decision on whether to keep some of the older players who might have more trade value (Guthrie, Sherill, Scott). These players are valuable and cost-controlled, so it should take a lot of talent to move them.
Step three is to assess the internal options. There is obviously a lot of young starting pitching in the high minors and majors, so the rest of the year and next spring should be spent sorting through who is ready to contribute now. Brandon Snyder should be considered for the 1B job if he continues to rake.
Step four is to fill whatever holes are left through free agency. Depending on the Orioles assessment of their finances, they could be willing to spend anywhere from 0 to $50MM in the offseason.
Step five is to break the streak of 12 consecutive losing seasons with the revamped roster.
by dkdc on Jun 30, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They're on the right track
I’d try to maximize Luke Scott’s performance and deal him for a pitcher.
Maybe you can deal Felix Pie for a similar player – former prospect, fallen on hard times – possibly Daric Barton? Or maybe a guy like Mike Jacobs. If you can’t swing that, there are a bunch of decent AAAA 1B that can fill in and maybe give you a Russ Branyan-type breakout.
I like what they’ve done with the defense. I think that, plus building a good pen can help develop the young starting pitching. Bring in some decent relievers so long as they don’t require draft pick compensation.
Really though, they’re on the right track. Just gotta wait for the pitchers to develop and Wieters to rake.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It depends what year we are talking about here....
I would deal Jeremy Guthrie for JJ Hardy if the deal was able to get done first of all….
Huff and Baez to Mets for Brad Holt and Tejeda(Courtesy of Pappas on OH)
2009 would still be a was, but Id make sure that Matusz gets promoted to AAA to get some reps there and insure him being ready for opening day 2010 on the big club
Sign Beltre in the offseason
Bring up Snyder, Matusz, Tillman ,Arrieta for 2010
1B Snyder
2B Roberts
SS Hardy
3B Beltre
C Wieters
LF Reimold
CF Jones
RF Markakis
DH Scott
Bench Zaun
Bench Wiggington
Bench Salazaar
Bench Pie
SP Bergesen
SP Matusz
SP Tillman
SP Arrieta
SP Holt/Uehara/Patton
RP Hernandez
RP Johnson
RP Sherrill
RP Bass
RP Hill
RP Ray
RP Albers
All the relievers would be able to go multiple innings except for Sherrill which would allow me to run with a 12 man pitching staff and a 4 man bench. Both the bullpen and bench will be strengths for the O’s in this case. If anyone goes down with injury, the backups will be able to step in with similar offensive numbers…..
IMO this ball club right here would be able to win you 90 games. You will be competitive and depnding on how well the rookie starters acclimate to the bigs, the ball club has an upside of being a 100 game winner, it all lies on the pitching which has a ton of potential. The way the club is constructed here, you will not need to add anyone else to make it a perrenial contender, you just need to let the arms get used to big league hitting.
The lineup is well balanced with speed, power and hitting ability. The OF is IMO the best young OF in the majors with all 3 of the guys being 5 tool talents. The biggest question mark would be Snyder at first and how well he can continue to progress with the glove. Regardless Im pretty confident that he will hit at the big league level.
The pitching staff has probably the best upside as any other team. Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta and Holt all have TOR potential and Bergy has the ceiling of a #3 kinda guy and is very consistent and will keep the ball in the park on the ground….very well balanced ball club all around…..
by QBsIllest1 on Jun 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many 90 win teams
Had four rookie pitchers?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many rookie pitchers do you know...
that are rock-solid guarantees for greatness like these ones are?
by PissedMick on Jun 30, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many teams had 4 TOR rookie starters come up at the very same time? You can slip Uehara in there for Holt because Holt wouldnt be ready probably, but that would give you what you need to be a 90 win team…..Matusz will come up and probably do the best of the Big 3 right off bat…..Tillman and Arrieta will probably supply ML average starts in the 1st half and in the 2nd half begin to really take off. You also have to remember that when the Orioles bring up a pitcher, or any player for that matter, they are definately ready. This year every rookie the orioles have brought up have been prepared mentally and physically. The only O’s rook this year who looks out of place IMO is Berken, everyone else hit the ground running pretty much, and you cannot expect that from all the prospects, but the O’s certainly make sure the prospect is ready for the bigs before being brought up……
by QBsIllest1 on Jun 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the O's have been very smart with their minor leaguers
…which is why they would never, ever consider this plan.
by alskor on Jun 30, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats wrong with the plan I mentioned?
Tillman and Arrieta will definately be ready by next year ST and Matusz is in all hoensty probably mroe ready than either of them. He will taste AAA this year probably and if Andy MacPhail feels the orioles are ready to compete next year, he will probably make sure Matusz starts 2010 in Baltimore. Snyder will be ready next year as well….what is it that you dont think will be considered? I would really like to know…..I actually kept this pretty realistic…
The idea of this whole thing is if YOU were the GM, so aside from me thinking that this is very realistic for the O’s to do, the thread here is about what YOU would do….not what you think the O’s would do, but regardless, this plan is very realistic and I am itnerested to hear what you think is unrealistic here……
by QBsIllest1 on Jun 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting the season with that many rookies is unrealistic AND foolish
A more realistic scenario would be signing crappy fill in like Hendrickson again and giving them until May or June then working the kids in gradually.
I just cant imagine them relying on that many kids. Youre hurting yourself service time wise, development wise AND youre throwing it up in the air luck wise. You just cant rely on that many rookies.
The fact all the O’s rookies of late have “hit the ground running” in your opinion (which I would dispute anyway – look at Wieters) doesnt increase the chances these other rookies will do the same. Don’t credit them too much with some sort of special development program. They do a great job, but rookies will sometimes struggle no matter how well you prepare them. Also, the pressures of a pennant race is a different situation to break into the majors then what theyve been doing recently.
by alskor on Jun 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be even more clear
I would expect most of these guys to contribute by the end of 2010 – but to slot them all into important roles to begin the year is crazy. No way MacPhail considers it.
by alskor on Jun 30, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with your plan is that Matusz...
pitched quite a pile up of innings in college, and clubs frown on adding on more than 30 innings to their previous year’s totals, esp. for golden-armed young pitching prospects. It’s more likely he gets shutdown this season at some point, and, only starts to get innings built up towards the end of next year. Even Jim Palmer got injured and almost derailed for pitching too many innings while still in the pitching nexus.
by basemonkey on Jul 3, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Filling up a lineup on paper...
…using statistical logic makes numerical sense, but not baseball sense. Just because a kid in AAA is posting numbers that look dominant doesn’t mean he necessarily deserves a promotion to MLB. For one thing, Tillman has made major strides this season with his curveball command but it still needs some refinement. True that it’s probably getting close enough to refine it in the majors for some clubs, but it depends on how much taste for that this regime has for learning in the majors. So far, this regime doesn’t like to see guys with command issues promoted.
The major thing for me to look for with young pitching prospects is the innings and arm conditioning. The Os have had their share of decently talented prospects in the last 10 years but they’ve really rushed them when their arms were poorly conditioned or they just didn’t have the command ready. Who comes to mind is Olson, who in my opinion could have at least had a Bergesen or Berken-esque showing if he was developed properly to throw strikes.
by basemonkey on Jul 3, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they’re saying it’s dumb to think these pitchers will ALL come up and immediately be productive. list of the top 2007 pitching prospects (from BA)
4. Philip Hughes, rhp, Yankees – done alright, in the ‘pen now
5. Homer Bailey, rhp, Reds – extreme control problems in big leagues
10. Andrew Miller, lhp, Tigers – still has command problems, mediocre so far
11. Tim Lincecum, rhp, Giants – exception to the rule
16. Yovani Gallardo, rhp, Brewers – done very well
20. Mike Pelfrey, rhp, Mets – took a year before settling in
21. Matt Garza, rhp, Twins – struggled for a while before breaking out
23. Adam Miller, rhp, Indians – injuries
24. Clayton Kershaw, lhp, Dodgers – done very well despite command issues
30. Franklin Morales, lhp, Rockies – has done almost nothing
31. Scott Elbert, lhp, Dodgers – injures, still in AAA
32. Luke Hochevar, rhp, Royals – took a year, might finally be figuring it out
34. Nick Adenhart, rhp, Angels – RIP
35. Jeff Niemann, rhp, Devil Rays – doing well but getting lucky with mediocre peripherals
37. Jacob Mcgee, lhp, Devil Rays – injuries
40. Chris Volstad, rhp, Marlins – done very well
41. Carlos Carrasco, rhp, Phillies – yet to be seen
42. Jason Hirsh, rhp, Rockies – injuries and struggles
51. Clay Buchholz, rhp, Red Sox – command issues at first
52. Donald Veal, lhp, Cubs – ugh
54. Chuck Lofgren, lhp, Indians – no idea what happened here, but it wasn’t good
56. John Danks, lhp, White Sox – took a season before figuring it out
57. Humberto Sanchez, rhp, Yankees – injuries
58. Troy Patton, lhp, Astros – injuries
59. Jonathan Sanchez, lhp, Giants – fairly decent but command issues
66. Glen Perkins, lhp, Twins – done well
68. Eric Hurley, rhp, Rangers – uh…
69. Brad Lincoln, rhp, Pirates – injuries
70. Jaime Garcia, lhp, Cardinals – who?
71. Kevin Slowey, rhp, Twins – done well
72. Gio Gonzalez, lhp, White Sox – severe command issues
73. Philip Humber, rhp, Mets – looking like a bust
75. Joba Chamberlain, rhp, Yankees – done well
getting the picture? chances all those guys come up and have immediate success, especially in such a tough division…..extremely slim to nearly none. and slim left the building. you’re praying for .500 if you go in with that plan, and even that’s unlikely.
baseball rules.
by doublestix on Jun 30, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasnt disagreeing with the projections which may be optimistic, but he was diagreeing with who will be brought up in 2010 and I guess implying that what I would do would be rushing them….
You may think its optimistic to think these pitchers will do well right off bat, but like I said, the Orioles dont throw pitchers to the sharks like many other organizations do, they make sure the prospects are ready, this is why the prospects they pulled up this year have been so successful.
Bergesen has done well, and with Matusz having certain similar attributes but way better stuff, I honestly think he will do very well right out of the gates. Pair him with Bergesen who is doing very well and possibly Uehara who also has done very well and you have a strong 1st 3. Arrieta and Tillman, even if they provide league average performances will allow the strong offense to take charge and win most games…..I know you cannot expect them to pitch to their ceilings right away, but they will find some success and if they are anywhere near as ready as the 1st batch that has come up, it will be a successful season most definately…..
by QBsIllest1 on Jun 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Orioles not rushing their prospects is...
…a recent thing under MacPhail. I think the primary reason they’ve struggled under other regimes is because of rushed prospects straight from AA ball.
by basemonkey on Jul 3, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
..and again with Matusz...
He won’t pitch next year based on the inning growth plan. It takes a minimum of time for a pitcher to build up major league caliber innings. I suppose they could shut him down next season though if he reaches the majors.
by basemonkey on Jul 3, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First and foremost be patient
This is not about 2010, and if you start acting as though it is then you could jeopardize beyond 2010.
1) I would dump Baez’s salary and Huff’s salary and use that extra cash to sign extra over-slot draft picks and possibly Sano or other bonus babies.
2) Fill Huff’s spot by using Wieters, Scott and Wigginton at 1B (there are not enough AB’s to go around at the moment)
3) Let Mora go at the end of the year and just put Wigginton there for the time being and use Scott and Wieters at 1B and Pie as the 4th OF (leaving space for Snyder when he is ready next year).
4) Make no major FA signings and keep the payroll low so that when the young guys are ready you can keep them and sign a few key pieces.
5) Most importantly, let the prospects develop on their own schedules and dont bring them to the major leagues until they are developed enough.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is about 2010
I know its been a long time, but it is really here. The prospects are ready.
Tillman will have had a full successful year at AAA.
Arrieta and Patton will have had a nearly full successful year at AAA.
Matusz will be ready by the all star break next year if he doesn’t force mcphails hand in spring training.
Hernandez and Bergensen are ready to be #3-4 mlb starters next year.
Not saying they can win 90. They are still missing a front line Ace and a 3b. But next year is for real.
p.s. Weiters ain’t gonna play 1b
by b_duardo on Jun 30, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree somewhat
You have to let the pitching prospects progress at their own rate, they will force AM’s hand soon enough (and most likely next year) but you dont want to depend on them and possibly overextend them. I would rather see this team bolstered after they’ve proven themselves and not before. One more year of patience could be the difference between the playoffs and 3rd or 4th place in the AL East.
Hopefully they have their ace coming, with quantity and quality pitching prospects at high levels.
To clarify i meant Wieters playing 1B for 30 or so games in order to get him in the lineup while resting his knees. He will be a full time catcher but most full time catchers only play 120-130 games a year behind the plate at the most.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for the record
Arrieta has pitched 17.2 IP so far in AAA. 17.2 IP. Maybe we can wait a second before guaranteeing him immediate major league success?
Just remember, none of these prospects – not one of them – is as safe as David Price was coming into this year, or Clay Buchholz coming into last. Now, I have little doubt that Price and Buchholz will eventually be good major league pitchers and very plausibly stars, but it sometimes takes time. If you can name me more than 10 pitchers in the last two decades who were stars from the moment they entered the majors until the end of their careers, I would be astonished. Pitchers just aren’t that reliable
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by OldProspects on Jun 30, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take her easy
Things are lined up for them O’s.
The only real priority to get done this year is to deal Baez.
The rest of the bunch; Huff, Guthrie, Wigginton, Mora can be shopped but there is no priority to move them. I would like to get one of them young middle infielders in the Mets system.
In the offseason it would be great to sign a 3b, but there is really not anyone available that really interests me. We do have trade chips in young pitching prospects.
First thing I would do this winter ring up charm city’s favorite bristly canadian. Take bedard out to dinner. Let him know that he can go home again.
by b_duardo on Jun 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd deal Adam Jones, Aubrey Huff, and Jeremy Guthrie
to the Devil Rays for B.J. Upton and Wade Davis
ini 2010 this opens the door for 1B Brandon Snyder
C Weiters
1B Snyder
2B Roberts
SS Andino/ Izturis
3B Wigginton/ Moore
OF Reimold
CF Upton
OF Markakis
DH Scott
bench: Pie, Zaun, Montanez, Salazar
Rotation: 1 Matusz, 2 Davis, 3 Tillman, 4 Rich Hill, 5 David Hernandez, 6th Arrieta – 7th Erbe
Bullpen:
CL- Sherril SU – Ray SU- Johnson Middle Relief – Albers, Patton, Mickolio, Walker, Bass, Bergeson
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 30, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That trade
Orioles and Rays basing a trade off of Jones for Upton would make much sense. I don’t like that deal for the Orioles. More risk on their side IMO. Why not trade Huff and Guthrie and try to grab 2 B level prospects instead of swapping CF’s and getting 1 B+ prospect?
Huff is a type A free agent upcoming so the O’s can end up getting 2 picks for him or getting him for one more year.
Add in trading Sherrill and you’re talking 3 B level prospects at least and some additional throw-ins. And once again you get to keep Adam Jones. I’m a BJ Upton fan so don’t get me wrong, getting him isn’t a problem…
by cowboy4eva on Jun 30, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Adam Jones makes no sense
I like Bossman, but Jones >> Upton.
I’d resign Huff. He’s said that he wants with the O’s since he left TB right when they made it. His defense at 1B is becoming playable, he can hit, and he’s 32. It would take a really nice package to send him away.
Trade bait: Baez, Sherill, Guthrie, Scott, in that order, depending of course on what the haul is. Baez is a fine pitcher and will be just the reliever lots of playoff teams will need. Same with Sherill
I would keep Scott but for the right offer. They have a crowded outfield and Pie is the natural choice for 4th OF, with his CF abilities and speed. I don’t see Guts moving since he’s having a terrible year and is pretty average, but he’s still cheap and serviceable.
The O’s need prospects, especially infield bats. They also need pitching, but only temporarily, considering all of the pitching prospects lining up to join the big club.
"When is the last time Jeremy Guthrie hit somebody? Think about it." -- Jim Palmer 7/2/09
by CoachOfEarl on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sell off the parts leaving after this year for whatever
unless you’re sure Huff won’t accept arbitration, he could possibly think he could get more than arb and doesn’t seem to like Baltimore. Ride out Bergesen, Guthrie and Uehara for all they’re worth, bringing in the three pitching prospects by July next year(be it through relief or otherwise). Get a lot of undervalued players to fill out the roster(it’s hard to identify these guys as a lot of it has to do with advanced scouting and luck), and then in the offseason of 2010, get one or two marquee free agents to lead the team. I’d try to get one real good relief pitcher, one starter and se if there isn’t a good all-around player. Trade prospects if you must. The infield and rotation should be the biggest needs at that point, filling out the bullpen with guys that didn’t make it as starters and bringing arms in through trade and FA.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 30, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Sherrill
Trade Sherrill
Trade Sherrill
Trade Sherrill
Trade Sherrill
Trade Sherrill
by cowboy4eva on Jun 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
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by Orioles77 on Jul 2, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stick with the program...
…as an O’s fan, I’m pretty happy. My #1 priority is that they spend what it takes to land Berry, Givens, and their other signability picks. Getting in on Sano is a good sign too.
Players like Huff, Scott, Baez, Sherrill, and Guthrie are all on the market, but MacPhail is doing the right thing by not making deals like the Pirates. The O’s don’t need depth in the minors, so only high-ceiling prospects are worth giving them up for.
So long as the Hobgood pick isn’t the start of the club going cheap on player development, I like where this is going. You’ve got four more years of this offensive core, and it ought to be a strong one if Reimold maintains his start. You’ve got a lot of young pitching lined up – if three of Bergesen, Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta, Patton, Hernandez and Berken turn out to be above average major leaguers, this team can contend in the AL east. And that’s all you can hope for.
by James F on Jun 30, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
1. Get Milwaukee on the phone immediately. See if you can turn some combination of Baez, Sherrill and Guthrie (who all immediately improve them on the cheap) for some combination of Escobar/Gamel/Lawrie. Escobar is blocked by JJH and Gamel doesnt look like he can play third (and is blocked at first). Im not sure if you can get 2 of those three but see what works if they want to make a run this year. Guthrie would be their #3 and Sherrill/Baez slot into that pen nicely.
2. Leave everyone but Tillman down this year unless someone forces their way up.
3. See if you can turn Scott into a young reliever
4. Sign Sheets when he is ready to come back with a club option for 2010.
5. Sign a couple FAs this offseason. Preferably a veteran 3B for two years with a 3rd as a club option (Crede?) and a big money starter.
Thinking Bedard/Lackey type if not don’t settle for a second tier guy and save for someone from the 2011 class (Lee/Webb/Halladay)
6. I probably pick up Mora’s option if I cant pick up Gamel or if Snyder/Costanzo don’t earn their way into the lineup. Hes a quality clubhouse guy.
7. Work on signing a Longoria style deal with Weiters and Jones this season. Its time to make that commitment and buy out the arb years along with the first couple FA years.
That leaves an order of
1 2B Roberts
2 CF Jones
3 RF Markakis
4 LF Reimold
5 C Weiters
6 1B Gamel/Snyder
7 DH Gamel/Snyder/Mora
8 3B Crede/Costanzo
9 SS Escobar/Andino/Izturis
With Zaun (or another cheap vet C), Pie/Montanez and Andino/Izturis on the bench
Rotation
SP Veteran Signee (Im saying Lackey)
SP Hill/Uehera/Sheets
SP Rookie #1 Tillman/Matusz/Arrieta/Patton/Hernandez
SP Rookie #2
SP Bergeson (whos earned it so far this season)
The bullpen will look like
RP Bass
RP Hernandez (my guess)
RP Berken
RP Albers
RP Liz/Perez
SU Ray
CL Johnson (you could switch those two)
Its time to spend the money that Angelos promised. Even if its a year early with the youngsters development, having a legit ace at the front of the rotation will take a lot of pressure off the young starters and the pen.
You wind up with most of the order and 3/5ths of the rotation under team control for a couple more years.
by ADLC on Jul 1, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Basically do what theyve been doing
I think MacPhail has done a great job. So basically, I’d have two goals as GMtrade anyone who has no value to future teams in exchange for some good prospects, and clear salary. Trade Aubrey Huff, with the team agreeing to take on Baez’s salary, for some midlevel prospects to an AL team in a playoff race which needs a good DH. Detroit could be a destination, but they may not want to take on both salaries.
Next, I tell Peter Angelos to go screw himself and I finally pull the trigger on a deal sending Brian Roberts and George Sherril to the Cubs for a package centered around either Josh Vitters, Jay Jackson, or both (hopefully they’re desperate enough to do this)
In 2010 i let the prospects come up, and after a slow start to they year we hopefully show enough promise that people start talking about our great young core.
In 2011, with all the money I’v saved, I spend every single last penny trying to lure Joe Mauer to Baltimore, away from Boston and New York. Wieters moves to DH for the time being, until we decide its better for Mauer to move to third, and then Wieters moves back to catch, his knees rested for a year, lengthening his career with us after we sign him to an extension.
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by harendaman365 on Jul 1, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why Mauer?
You will wind up paying the catchers premium for a guy who will be redundant. If anything, in 2011 I take a couple of the prospects they’ve been building up and try to pull the trigger on a deal for a stud in the final year of their deal (Pujols, Reyes)
by ADLC on Jul 1, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols goes nowhere
especially with 10/5 rights. I can also only imagine the PR fallout if the Mets were to trade Reyes.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 1, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im just saying...
That makes more sense then signing Mauer. Not saying it would happen (though I could see Pujols happening if contract talks fall through next year and the new team promises a new contract)
by ADLC on Jul 1, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macphail
As weird as it is to say for a perennial bottom-dweller, I think MacPhail is doing pretty much everything right. Jones-Markakis-Wieters-Reimold-Scott is one of the best young cores in the game, and Brian Roberts is around another 3 years. They have 2 GREAT pitching prospects on the way and a couple other pretty good ones. Bergeson is looking like a revelation. Unfortunately, this all may not be enough, because of their division.
Macphail’s job is to do exactly what he’s doing and hope at the end of the day that a few things break his way. The Orioles should start to be potentially competitive as soon as next year. Probably not ACTUALLY competitive, because the 3 best teams in MLB all play in their division, but they should elevate themselves out of punching bag territory.
by slamcactus on Jul 3, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Os have...
3-4 great pitching prospects. Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, and now Hobgood.
by basemonkey on Jul 3, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would...
BULLPEN: We need to prepare the bullpen for the rising wave of arms. Everyone talks about the Big 3 but there’s a nice depth also due to arrive at about a few arms per year. For me the biggest thing to look to do is increase the managers’ options as much as possible. The primary reason why pitching prospects can struggle is when the manager stays with them too long on outings where they’re struggling. A lot of bad comes out of that, the worst of which can be injury. I wouldn’t preclude the idea of trading Sherrill but I would think long and hard about it. Losing your closer without an obvious replacement could throw the supporting cast for the pitching prospects into question. The bullpen as it’s currently comprised is actually pretty good so far. I would seriously look into making Uehara a RP. On a team with so many young arms due, you can never have too many RPs who can pitch multiple innings. Uehara has struggled but a lot of it is due to stamina, not overall effectiveness. He looks like he could actually be quite a plus in the bullpen. Baez should be absolutely traded since he won’t be back with the club.
BENCH: MacPhail has done a great job of increasing options off the bench by adding bargain good value position players who play mulitiple positions. If I ntpicked I may want more speed there. I would find more versatile speed/good bat combinations there. Not enough can be said in how much the Os have improved in this area this year. One may see the difference in their ability to cover injuries and keeping starters fresh. The Os might see it in fighting off an Aug-Sept swoon.
INFIELD: During the offseason the decision has to be made at 3B. Either Wiggington takes over and we replace the value he brought to the bench, or, we keep him there and add a 3B. Mora is gone and pretty untradable. The fact that he has quintuplets seems to factor into his willingness to waive his No Trade clause so there’s not much hope there. Itzturis is signed for another year and he has stabilized SS with a timely bat and excellent glove, both are nice additions to surround young pitchers with. I would try to find a 1B option thru trade (maybe that earlier mentioned Baez trade?). Snyder’s glove is underrated but he isn’t ready to be handed the fulltime 1B job. His bat may eventually be ready for 1B but I question if his defense makes him the longterm answer there. If we can’t find a trade then I’d be happy with a cheap good value option from the free agent market. To Salazar’s credit he’s proving his bat can hit ML pitching but he may be due to be part of a package in a trade. His age doesn’t make sense for this team.
GUTHRIE: I hear a lot about trading him but this is obviously an off year for him. What’s markedly different this season is that his fastball command has been non-existent. He’s a better pitcher than he’s shown, but his value is at a career low. If the big league club were flush with SPs I would but since it isn’t, the club should hold onto him and hope he turns things around in the second half.
by basemonkey on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
1. I trade Scott. To me, getting some depth behind the top guys pitching core is huge. They’re not all going to pan out. If they all do, the Os are really lucky. Also, the OF of the future is probably going to be Reimold-Jones-Markakis, and DHs are easier to find and less riskier to buy than good SP. Getting some top pitching prospects is definitely key in any deal.
2. Trade the obvious candidates: Huff, Baez, Sherrill. Eat any salary necessary to make a deal work and/or maximize the prospect return, if a team really wants to get that desperate.
3. Hope Guthrie puts up the counting/traditional stats to trade him.
4. Don’t rush the arms. Watch innings on Bergesen.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
by Blicks on Jul 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking but..
..no one will trade a top pitching prospect for Scott. Maybe a John Maine (or slightly better) type of prospect, a guy with some success and some upside. In spite of having a lot of respect for Scott’s game, it’s hard for me to imagine any team offering their Kershaw or Hanson or Bowden for Scott’s bat.
by basemonkey on Jul 7, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
..then again..
..if there’s a club out there who’ll offer anything close to that, the Os should jump immediately.
by basemonkey on Jul 7, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team has the potential
to compete in 2010 and I know starving Orioles fans want them to splash big time in Free Agency. I will say this, they MUST get a very good above average pitcher to head that rotation to stabilize it. Being a Clevelander, The Indians getting Dennis Martinez and Hershiser was imperitive in the 90’s.
I don’t know who that person is, but he could be Lackey (as mentioned above). they also need to get a corner infielder and the Idea of Gamel sounds like a winner.
I say be aggressive in signing Lackey try to find a deal for Gamel (I don’t think Guthrie gets him) and go from there. Lackey, Tillman, Guthrie, Matusz and Arrieta in 2010 would be good to win some games, get the young kids the experience and then go for it. Listen, the Indians did it with A young core and look at the Rays young core…it can be done, but in that division a stabalizing force in the rotation and adding a nice corner bat would be huge!
by gobuckeyes32 on Jul 7, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs










