6/17 MILB Thread
by rdf8585 on Jun 17, 2009 12:20 PM EDT
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PrintHere are some starting pitchers to track throughout the day and night
Jake Arrieta (in progress: 1 IP 1 BB 2 K), Homer Bailey (in progress: 1 IP 1 H), John Smoltz AAA rehab, Jon Niese, Jeanmar Gomez, Brian Matusz AA debut, Jenrry Mejia, Henry Sosa, Zack Stewart, Dan Cortes, Trevor Reckling, Scott Barnes, Tyson Ross, Mark Rogers, Tyler Chatwood, Juan Carlos Sulbaran, Andrew Brackman (in progress: 3-6-6-3-5), Ross Seaton, Matt Moore, Randall Delgado, Carlos Pimentel.
As is often the case, there may be a few others as MILB adds names to the scoreboard pages but these are the bulk of them.
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Brackman
Whats his deal? Is he ever going to live up to the 1st round hype?
OK fine
Do you realize he had TJ surgery shortly after he was drafted in 2007 and missed debuting in 2007 and all of 2008? He finally took the mound in the HWL this off-season and K’d a guy per inning. This is his FIRST season of pro ball dude. He hasnt been great but he has got a lot of grounballs, again K’d a guy per inning.
As long as he isnt getting destroyed out there how about we let him be healthy and actually PITCH and develop a bit ok?
Randall Delgado
with one of his best outings of the year.
6 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K
Glad to see the walks down for him, that’s what has gotten him into trouble this year. That and Rome’s infield defense just being an absolute joke…
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
I really like Delgado
But his control seems to have steadily gone worse. I hope that this might be an improvement
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by OldProspects on Jun 17, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Homer
8 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K 11/5 GO/AO.
His June line in 4 starts is
31.1 IP, 24 H, 1 ER, 5 BB, 30 K
DAMN
is this guy really going to be an AAAA pitcher or will he figure things out and dominate in the Big Leagues like he is dominating AAA?!?!?!?!?
by Summa Slugga on Jun 17, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What he needs
is a real chance to pitch in the bigs. As it stands, he comes up knowing if he bombs they’re shipping him back to AAA. That kind of stuff puts unnecessary pressure on a young pitcher. What they need to do is wait until after the trade deadline, and if they’re out of the playoff race, bring up Bailey and let him start the rest of the year. He has to adjust to the bigs at some point, and he needs an extended chance to do so, not just a start here or there and the threat of demotion if he struggles.
A change of scenery to a team who would give him that long leash right now wouldn’t be a bad idea either, but that comes down to what his trade value is right now and whether the Reds want to move him.
RIP Nick Adenhart
When in doubt...
Blame Dusty.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
Why Not?
He’s ruined young pitchers before. And I think he’s responsible for global warming.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jun 17, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Moore...
another dominant June start for Moore. He’s coming around.
6.2 IP, 1H, 1 ER, 2BB, 10K.
He’s got a 1.99 ERA in 4 June starts with a 35/7 BB/K ratio in 22.2 innings.
the rise of ben hornbeck
promoted to AA, has gone though now 3 levels in 09 so far.
32nd rd pick in 08 from Kansas St. (i wonder if Sickles has input on him since its around the midwest area)
He’ll join a AA midland staff with 3 other SP midseason all stars (Banwart/Godfrey/Fernandez) and an all star closer (demel)…pretty solid
A's got a couple of potential late-round steals out of that draft
The round after Hornbeck was taken, they picked Shane Haviland, who’s a bit of a soft-tosser but could be a #4 starter with a fringe-average fastball and a potentially plus curveball.
Hornbeck apparently has an 88-90 fastball (average velo for a lefty) with a mediocre curveball and a very strong changeup. Good news is, that’s pretty similar to a guy who’s doing pretty good work for the A’s right now (Dallas Braden).
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Thomas Neal on a homer streak
13th of the season
Posey 3-4, R, RBI
he's allowed 3 runs, 2 earned but has 7 K's in 4.1 IP
he’s getting awfully unlucky tonight with groundballs.
Mejia
Final line: 5IP 8H 2ER 2BB 8K
Through three AA starts: 16IP 17H 4ER 7BB 17K 2.25ERA 1.50WHIP
Obviously some bad luck on balls in play screwed Mejia today, but if he keeps going at this rate, what’s holding him back from being a top-25 prospect? He’s got the mid-to-high-90’s fastball, a strong change, and a third major league pitch in the curve. He’s yet to turn 20, and he’s carving up AA.
I guess the question is: What do you need from see from Mejia to say by the end of the year, “yeah, he’s a Matusz/Alderson level pitcher”
Just curious...
Who do you consider to be the top 10 pitchers currently in the minors?
Mejia sounds good in some ways, not in others. Like being an undersized, max effort guy, and he does allow a fair number of baserunners, but he does have a mean FB, is 19/20 in AA and not doing poorly, per se.
Anyway, I’d like to see a nice stretch of 40-50 innings with around a 1 WHIP, 1 k per inning or better, under 3 BB per 9. Then I might be ready to put him in the debate with those other guys.
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Top 10...
in no definite order: Bumgarner, Parker, Feliz, Latos, Tillman, Matusz, Chacin, Carrasco, Arrieta…(damn that’s only 9)…I’ll hedge and put Drabek/Bowden/Alderson at the end. Drabek with the helium, and Bowden/Alderson as pretty low-risk guys.
After that there are guys like Cecil/Rondon/Reckling (not necessarily the next in line, just an example) who I like, but who I don’t think have what it takes to make it to the next tier, and guys like Mejia/Holt/Lincoln and maybe even Knapp/Lyles/MartinPerez who don’t have the track record yet but have the ceiling to make a big leap.
I’m not saying Mejia will be there by the end of the year, but I do really like what I’m seeing from the kid. Scouting reports have been great (the ones that deal with his pitching and not his size, of course), and the results are hard to argue with. Just wondering what it would take for people to jump on the bandwagon.
That's a good group...
There are a few A guys I like, like Matt Moore. Dexter Carter and Dan Hudson.
I have to admit that Bailey is elevating himself back into the discussion. I’ve been keeping an eye on him as someone who may turn it on one day. His velocity was still mid-90s in his spot start, and his recent run makes me wonder if this is when he turns into an ace.
Anyway, Mejia is an interesting one. I’m real curious to see more recent reports about his mechanics. And as I said, I’d like to see him dominate sometime. Like the reports of his stuff sound good, but really, the results haven’t been there in my opinion. But really, his WHIP isn’t good, and he seems to give up a fair share of hits as well as walks, but he does get a good chunk of groundballs. I’ll be watching him more closely now, thanks for the post!
Poster formerly known as artie
Not to sound arrogant
and Im really not agaisnt Homer or anything but Homer will NEVER, EVER, EVER be an ace. He may have something close to an ace arm but nowhere close to anything else you need to be an ace at the big league level- guts, aptitude, smarts. I believe he has a chance to be a good big league starter but the jury is out on that front. I believe the jury is IN on him being any kind of ace – no chance.
Not really what I meant...
I was more relating ace to what kind of stats he could post, as a fantasy pitcher. I think as long as he still has top shelf stuff, he has a chance to post top shelf stats. And given his recent string of success, which is the first time since like 2006 he’s experienced a nice stretch of statistical success, it’s possible he’s putting it together.
I’d think anyone would be thrilled if he turned into a Burnett-type minus the health issues. Best case is with 30+ starts, he posts 12-18 wins, 200+ innings, 200+ ks, and those are ace numbers to me.
He may never have the grit and determination of a Halladay or Johnson or Pedro, but then again, the guy is only 23, thankfully people didn’t think the jury was in on my leadership abilities when I was 23!
Poster formerly known as artie
Johnson is an oddity
But remember, he had what, 50 wins at age 30? Homer has time to figure it out…
“Matusz/Alderson level pitcher”? Matusz is and should be much more highly regarded than Alderson.
What do you need from an Catching prospect to say by the end of the year “yeah, he’s a Wieters/Shipworth level catcher?”
Okay, so bad choice with Alderson.
Take the graduates off of BA’s list, and he’s in the 25-30 range. I personally don’t like him though, so it’s no difference to me.
Still, the point of the question is clear, whether or not you want to quibble with the examples. What does it take to make Mejia a top 10-15 pitching prospect by the end of the year? Is it possible?
I would have to say probably not
but it will be pretty close.
For me, I need to Meija do this at a higher level, so there’s not much that’s going to change my opinion of him – I already like him a lot, but Im not ready to call him elite.
Why is Matusz substantially better than Alderson?
This year, Matusz is at A+ ball with a 3.14 FIP. Last year, Alderson pitched at A+ ball with a 3.23 FIP. Roughly the same except that Matusz is 22 while Alderson was 19. Granted that age doesn’t matter as much for pitchers than hitters, but that Alderson could do as well against the same opposition with three less years of development time is impressive.
This year, Alderson had some trouble in A+ ball but when he got brought up to AA, did even better than he did in A+ ball last year in his first few starts. He hasn’t struck out quite as many people as Matusz, but still has a very good K rate and showed outstanding control at higher levels than Matusz has at a significantly younger age. I can see the argument that the greater K rate and better secondary stuff makes Matusz an equal prospect, but I don’t understand why you think that Matusz is so much better
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by OldProspects on Jun 19, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
I think “substantially” may be pushing it (that’s all in the eye of the beholder I suppose), but I’d definitely take Matusz due to his much more well rounded game.
Though I’ve been consistently surprised by Alderson, so I could still be underrating him.
What do you think he is?
Between, say, Michael Bowden and Thomas Hanson, who do you think he is closer to?
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by OldProspects on Jun 19, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say he's closer to Hanson
He’s got 4 above average pitches, great pitching frame, mechanics, consistency, and he’s got the perfect pitcher’s mentality. I think he is most likely a #2 in a big league rotation with an outside chance of being a true ace, whereas Bowden seems more like a #3-4 to me at best (and I’m a Sox fan).
Freddie Freeman went 3-4 tonight with a double after hitting 2 HR yesterday…
He’s up to .310/.389/.465 — .854 OPS on the year…
And he’s hit .341/.429/.457 — .886 OPS since April.
I think the injuries sapped his power for a bit, but he looks to be going full steam ahead now.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
Agreed. He’s very under-rated IMO. Plus defense, a .300 bat, will take a walk, hit 18 HR last year in a pitcher’s park, still the youngest hitter in his league (Casey Kelly is a month younger), and he’s not afraid to lean in and wear a pitch (12 HBP already this year, which is more than Utley has in fewer PAs).
Looks like a stud to me, a lot depends on how much power he develops, but he’s already got a pretty good deal of it for his age, and he looks like he’s just going to hit for average regardless.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
Appreciate the update
I ws just getting some first base rankings from folks in a Logan Morrison post. No one came in to say Freeman was top 5. I noted his power ws down a bit (he is young) and I hadn’t heard of the injury, and looks like the power is coming back.
Some Rangers
Carlos Pimentel: 4.0IP 5H 6R 6ER 2BB 4K 2HR
Neil Ramirez: 1.2IP 3H 3R 3ER 3BB 2K 0HR
Richard Bleier: 7.0IP 5H 2R 2ER 0BB 6K 0HR, G-F: 15-.1
Mike Kirkman: 7.0IP 2H 2R 1ER 2BB 6K 0HR
Tommy Hunter: 6.0IP 6H 3R 3ER 5BB 4K 1HR
Julio Borbon: 2-6
Max Ramirez: 1-5 BB
Jose Vallejo: 1-3 2BB
I think JD’s doing this to spite all the "when we gon’ get sum pitchin’ in here" idiots.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"~ RCCook.
mejia question
a what if type question, where would mejia be drafted this year , in relation to purke, matzek, leake, wheeler, turner, scheppers
Guess it depends on how much he wanted to sign for… Lol.
Insert Mike Minor joke here
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jun 17, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was wondering this myself...
Mejia’s got to hold up pretty well to a guy like Jacob Turner when it comes to polish and stuff, and I think Turner was the best HS arm in the draft. The big difference is the size. I don’t think scouts would get behind a skinny six-footer. They want prototypical pitcher’s frames early in the draft.
Tyler Flowers
2-5, 3B, HR. .287/.429/.521 on the season now.
Aaron Cunningham
Don’t know if he still countsa s prospect, but 2 homers yesterday. Glad he is bouncing back from the concussion.
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