Logan Morrison
by wobatus on Jun 15, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
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Back up to AA Jacksonville, after starting his comeback back at Jupiter, 2-6 with a double yesterday. Has done well in a small sample this year due to the shoulder injury.
Where does he rank now? He is slightly younger than Smoak, who I think rates ahead of him. I think Morrison ranks ahead of Alonso now in my book, who has struggled in the short time he has been in AA. Alonso did pretty well in FSL, albeit his patience wasn't quite what I expected. Lars Anderson has been a little disappointing repeating AA, but still looks quite promising. I rated Morrison ahead of him coming into this year, as i felt FSL hid his power. Plus he raked in Arizona. But i understood why Anderson was rated more highly by many.
Chris Carter has been pretty good in AA, raising his average. I still have Morrison ahead of him, but I like carter.
Blanks' average is down, but i still like him as well. Hosmer taking some time to develop, it seems. Freeman's power is down, but he IS only 19 and in high A carolina.
As of right now, I rank Morrison second (and i may be completely forgetting some prospects-maybe Montero counts as a first basemen, Flowers, although I have Morrison ahead of him, etc.). Kila has been good but maybe too old, Carp has also been good this year. Still prefer Morrison.
Ike Davis may be creeping into the very bottom of the top 100. Up to a .284/.369/.487 slash line in FSL. He has a high babip and isn't hitting lefties, but he is crushing righties and that isa tough league for power guys. At least we may be able to start calling him that.
Anyway, good to see Morrison back. I know it is a small sample yet, but where do you all see him as far as first base prospect rankings?
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Forgot Angel Villalona
Still prefer Morrison, due to the plate discipline thing with Angel, but I should cut Angel slack. He IS only 18. I guess most would rank him more highly than Morrison. I also think Beau Mills, Chris Marrero, Brandon Allen and Gaby Sanchez. I am likely still missing some guys. Oh well, not meant to be exhaustive.
by wobatus on Jun 15, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually agree
Logan would be 2nd on my list of first basemen behind only Smoak.
I’d rank them (1-5):
Smoak, Logan, Lars, Hosmer, then Yonder
by soxkid on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Angel, huh?
OK, by me, but i know some will love the youth angle. But assuming you are a Red Sox fan, if you put Logan ahead of lars, I must be onto something. :)
If we include the no position, catcher types that also project as 1B or DH, here was the community poll ranking:
1. Matt LaPorta (outfielder now?, overrank?)
2. Lars Anderson
3. Justin Smoak (he is clear number 1 now in my book)
4. Angel Villalona (ah, those SF stuffers may have been onto something too)
5. Eric Hosmer
6. Max Ramirez (whither Max’s bat?)
7. Jesus Montero
8. Logan Morrison
9. Yonder Alonso
10.Freddie Freeman
11. Chris Carter (the much debated)
12. Tyler Flowers
13. Kyle Blanks
14. Beau Mills
15. Kila Ka’aihue
16. David Cooper
Yup, Morrison second behind Smoak. Did I miss Brandon Allen, Gaby Sanchez?
As for Ike Davis? Well, Beau Muills crept into the bottom of the top 100 at 99. I rank Ike ahead of him now, and Max Ramirez. And David Cooper, who has been terrible. A lot of the guys at the top have graduated. Of course, Davis has yet to make the dreaded A+ to AA jump.
A lot of folks were saying we had too many 1B/DH types ranked in the community poll 100. I suppose, even as a diehard mets fan, he may not quite make it. Will need to get to Bighmaton and keep it up perhaps. Of course, the Mets will have Mejia and Holt high on a lot of lists.
by wobatus on Jun 15, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max has been battling an injured wrist all year.
I think JD’s doing this to spite all the "when we gon’ get sum pitchin’ in here" idiots.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"~ RCCook.
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max Ramirez
My bad. His line this year is so out of the ordinary for him, I shouldn’t put him down so bad. I’d say he still ranks ahead of Ike. Not Morrison, in my book, though. He’s 24. he ws still in the Appy league at the same age Logan Morrison was raking in FSL. Of course, Max can’t help where they put him. he has always hit, wOBA’s always over .400, well over .450 last year.
Good catch on my blowing him off.
by wobatus on Jun 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll differ a bit from the consensus here
If we are considering Montero a 1B, I’d rank them as follows:
1. Montero
2. Smoak
3. Morrison
4. LaPorta
5. Lars
by guru4u on Jun 15, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I guess if he counts as 1B. He ws catcher in community poll, but we all suspect he will move…but DH most likely?
He is raking and he IS 19, and now in AA. That’s a fair rank. If we make it 1B/DH. Is he still catching in AA?
by wobatus on Jun 15, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Montero is still catching in AA.
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by lemonjello on Jun 15, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
In fact, part of the reason the Yanks pushed him up to AA was to give him one last chance to catch full time. They left Romine in High A.
I have been EXTREMELY impressed with Montero thus far. If you believe he is a catcher in the long run, I see no reason to not have him in your top 5 overall. Even at 1B, he is easily a top 20 guy. The bat just looks that special to me. Given that he is a Yanks prospect, I am very surprised that the hype machine is not stuck in overdrive.
by guru4u on Jun 15, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me
1. Smoak
2. Lars
3. Hosmer
4. Carter
5. Morrison
If we have to put Montero in there… probably 2nd?
by alskor on Jun 15, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lars
My issue with him is the .356 wOBA this year in AA. of course, he ws .430 last year but a small sample. In single A Lars went .408, Morrison .406, but FSL is tough. I admit it is hard to push logan ahead of Lars because Lars has not dominated AA this year, whereas Logan was injured.
Hosmer, i have a hard time ranking ahead of Morrison. he is only 19, and midwest is tough, but .348 wOBA at 19 there, i’d have to see him next year besting Morrison’s line from FSL at 20 last year. Of course, he was very highly touted, and Morrison didn’t light up the world at 19 either.
Carter, .400 last year with te heavy power component, .412 this year with the average up and power a tad lower…but he has immense power potential, maybe only Stanton compares.
These guysa re all right there. I guess Morrison has to keep putting up in AA now that he is healthy.
by wobatus on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to focus on tools, projections and long term outlooks
Im not ready to drop a guy for two months of so-so performance. Sometimes I want to, but I have to remind myself to take the long view. For instance, there is very little that Hosmer could do this year that would change my opinion of him. Good or bad.
At least for position players. Pitchers are a different matter.
by alskor on Jun 15, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I acknowledge that it is tough to take Hosmer or Anderson down a peg just due to a couple of months. The problem is, for me, that as for Hosmer I can only go on the scouting and projectability, since I myself can’t really look at some tape and say he’s a hitter. I don’t have that skill set.. As for Anderson, I just liked Morrison based on the lower k rate and it being FSL as opposed to Cal League for Anderson, Morrison did well in Arizona Fall, and he did show more ISO in low A than in FSL, typical. Anderson’s slight dropoff merely added to my pre-existing disposition towards Morrison. And in an admittedly tiny sample, Morrison is performing at AA. But it is probably a razor thin margin and I can understand folks going for Hosmer or Anderson.
If we do gauge them all as 1b/dh, Montero is right there with Smoak, Smoak at least being a guy who can field the position it seems. And I understand Montero is still catching, but from accounts that really won’t last. But maybe I am not up to date.
by wobatus on Jun 16, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone so impressed by Villalona?
Dude still has a 52/9 K/BB ratio, and an OBP under .330.
In other words, he’s pretty much in the same place he was in a couple months ago.
by RedSoxFaithful on Jun 15, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll honestly be surprised if he ever posts an above-average season
Players with zero defensive value and zero plate discipline are, virtually without exception, garbage.
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by PaulThomas on Jun 15, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's 18
and slugging mid 400s in high A. He should be a high school senior. I’d give him some time to improve the plate discipline. But it does give me some concern. You don’t know what he has been exposed to. THe light could go on given proper instruction.
by wobatus on Jun 15, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it hasn't, and there's no guarantee that it will
he’s top 70, at best.
he’s just not that good right now, and to assume that he’ll get better because he’s kinda young is repeating the same mistake made with joel guzman.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Jun 15, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
He’s not just kinda young. He’s at least serviceable at an extremely young age. And his strikeout rate has come down a little. It is just that his walk rate has stayed very low. Mark Reynolds strikeout at a huge rate yet is succesful. He walks more, yes, but he was a UVA freshman at Villalona’s age.
And I will give you a comp. Sammy Sosa. Of course, at that age Sosa was a lithe outfielder. But his walk rate in the sally was 3.9%, his k rate 23.7%, for a .16 bb/k. Angel is at 3.7, 22.7 and .17.
I myself prefer Morrison and almost forgot Angel, but I can understand people thinking he could end up special, despite the 52/9 k to bb.
by wobatus on Jun 16, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
19 in 2 months
Not to nitpick but in most instances kids born in Aug-1990 have just finished their Freshman Year of college and are 1 year removed from high school.
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by Wilbur Wood on Jun 16, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Well, I guess he got held back a year.
by wobatus on Jun 16, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
but he gets the athlete extra year pre-college bonus plan.
Smoak was a freshman at 19 in spring 2006 (he turned 20 in December that year).
Alonso was a freshman at 19 in April 2006, when he turned.
Ike Davis was a freshman at 19 in march of 2006, when he turned 19.
I assume Angel wouldn’t be freshman until next year, if he keeps up his studies. :)
I think i go by whatever the players age is in June just as a simple rule of thumb. He will be a little older than those guys were as freshman, or when they were high school seniors. Not by much.
of course, i don’t know if I have to worry about the DR age discount too.
He is a classic tweener. Certainly older than most high school seniors. I dunno, we had a lot of PG seniors playing sports at my high school.
by wobatus on Jun 16, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garbage?
Like… Edwin Jackson type garbage?
Paul Thomas… you’re my HERO.
by slurve on Jun 16, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm
There is no need to try to act trollish. We all get it…you liked Edwin Jackson. Lots of us believed in Edwin Jackson. However, how is a starting pitcher relevant in this discussion? Instead you should give examples of guys with poor defensive abilities and poor plate discipline who were still effective players. Guys off the top of my head who fall into this mold include Dave Kingman, Juan Gonzalez, and Joe Carter.
Besides, I haven’t heard anyone state that Angel has NO defensive value. At his age there is a very good chance he can develop into a decent firstbaseman. There seems to be a misconception that plate discipline cannot be taught. Some players do not develop power early in their career (I.E. Sammy Sosa) but learn the trait as they grow older.
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 17, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alonso
Pretty small sample size on Alonso in AA. His BAPIP so far is .239 at AA. If it was the .328 it was in Sarasota, his line would be .302/.367/.453 and that’s assuming none of his 4 extra hits was for extra bases. I’m not saying I’d necessarily rank him ahead of Smoak or Morrison but the sample size is way too small at this point to use his AA performance against him.
by joerote on Jun 16, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alonso
I am not holding AA against him much, despite the offhand comment, as it is way too small a sample. He homered the other day, just noting in passing. More so, although he did pretty well in AA, and his walk rate was moving up, I think Morrison did better in the FSL at a younger age, so that’s why I bump him above Alonso. Alonso showed slightly more home run power.
Where do folks rank Carp now? He may have moved into top 10. He is still fairly young.
by wobatus on Jun 17, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carp
Probably in the bottom of a top 10 would be fair. He has flashed some good power this year, and qutie honestly power was always the biggest hangup with him. I don’t think he’ll make any All-Star games, but could post a decent career if the power continues.
by guru4u on Jun 17, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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