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American League East Draft Impressions

Quick Draft Impressions: American League East

Baltimore: I don't have a problem with Hobgood at fifth overall. He's signable, and in my opinion the difference between him and the other elite prep arms isn't all that great. He might not be as projectable as some of them, being more physically mature, but I really like his arm and I don't think this is a huge overdraft. Mychal Givens in the second round adds another high-ceiling arm to the system, and if pitching doesn't work out you can try him as a hitter. Townsend out of Florida International in the third round is a solid college bat in the Jay Gibbons mode; not a star but a guy who should be able to contribute. Randy Henry in the fourth round and Ashur Tolliver in the fifth provide more live arms, Tolliver in particular being a good value in that round. 8th round pick OF Devin Harris (East Carolina), 9th round pick RHP Ryan Berry (Rice), and 10th round pick RHP Jacob Cowan (San Jacinto JC) all offer very good value for their draft slots. Harris has tons of tools, and both Berry and Cowan were considered possible second or third round picks if not for injury questions. This may not be a spectacular draft class, but I think it is solid.

Boston: The Red Sox go with a mixture of tools guys mixed with college guys with good track records. Fuentes in the first round offers explosive speed and athleticism but will need development time. Alex Wilson in the second round has excellent college stats, and while his velocity fluctuates, I think he could advance fast in the bullpen. Third round pick David Renfroe and seventh round pick Madison Younginer have first round natural ability but fell due to signability. As they have done in recent drafts, expect the Sox to push hard to sign these guys, taking advantage of their financial resources. Fourth round pick Jeremy Hazelbaker, Ball State outfielder, is a speed guy with gap power and a high walk rate, a solid sabermetric pick. Fifth round pick OF Seth Schwindenhammer and sixth round pick RHP Branden Kline are high school guys who will need development time but have the appropriate tools. Ninth round Baylor RHP Kendal Volz was a first round option back in February until a poor spring. If he can regain his form, he's a potential bargain at this spot. A variety of statistically successful college guys filled out the teen rounds. Overall, I think this is a very good draft, a mixture of raw tools and polish, something that both traditionalists and statheads can get behind, assuming they can sign most of them (which they probably will).

New York: I'm not really worried about Heathcott's price tag in the first round, but the off-the-field makeup questions that dog him are more worrisome. It's a gamble, though if he puts his tools together he has a very high ceiling at 29th overall. Second round pick J.R. Murphy should be signable away from Miami given New York's resources, and offers a good balance between offensive and defensive skills. Fourth round pick Adam Warren out of North Carolina and fifth round pick Caleb Cotham out of Vanderbilt are college guys who look like mild overdrafts to me in these slots. Warren is statistically successful but his stuff isn't consistent, while Cotham lacks good numbers and is up-and-down velocitywise. I think there were better values in these slots, even in the college ranks. Sixth round 3B Rob Lylerly out of Charlotte has mediocre tools but hit well at the college level. A sleeper is Sean Black, RHP out of Seton Hall in the seventh round, who never lived up to expectations in college but has a live arm. I like his upside. The Yankees stayed with college guys for the most part in the subsequent rounds. A particular favorite is D'Angelo Mack, 13th round OF out of South Carolina. Scouts say he's a tweener, but I like his swing and I think his tools are underrated. Another college performer to watch is Luke Merton, 1B-OF out of Georgia Tech drafted in the 19th round. The Yankees took upside risks in the first two rounds, but went conservative after that. Overall I think it's an OK draft, but much rides on Heathcott and Murphy.

Tampa Bay: I have a huge amount of respect for how the Rays have built up their organization, but I have some questions about the top of this draft. First rounder LeVon Washington is a speed demon, but I have doubts about his bat and his weak arm limits him to second base. I think there were better options in the first round. Second round SS Ken Diekroger is extremely toolsy, but again there are doubts that he's going to hit, and this also looks like an overdraft to me. Frankly, third round pick Todd Glaesmann and fourth round pick Luke Bailey both look like better prospects to me than Washington and Diekroger. They fell to due to signability and health, respectively. If the Rays can sign them, they could both end up being better than Washington and Diekroger. Is this a clever stratagem on the Rays part? We'll see. Fifth round pick Jeff Malm has a terrific bat but poses a signability risk due to his Southern Cal commitment. Sixth round pick Devin Fuller, RHP out of Chandler Gilbert CC, throws hard but needs better secondary stuff; his upside is certainly impressive. Sleepers include Brett Nommensen (OF, Eastern Illinois, 8th round), Derek Dennis (SS, Michigan HS, 9th round), and Alex Koronis (RHP, Tampa, 11th round). If Glaesmann and Bailey are signable, this is a strong class, but I really wonder about Washington and Diekroger, and would personally have gone with other choices there. Of course, the Rays have a better farm system than I do.

Toronto: I like Chad Jenkins a lot at 20th overall, and think that's a solid choice for the Jays. James Paxton in the supplemental round is a potential bargain, provided he can get his gopher ball tendencies under control, giving them two of the top college arms available this year. Jake Eliopoulos in the second round is probably an overdraft, but I can understand it since he's a Canadian guy. The high school southpaw will need plenty of time, but is a nice mixture with the college guys at the top. I also love Jake  Barrett in the third round, a high school pitcher from Arizona who throws hard and has solid command. Also in the third round was Jake Marisnick, tools outfielder who was rated as a supplemental talent by some teams but has some questions about his bat. Fourth round pick Ryan Goins, SS from Dallas Baptist, and fifth round pick Ryan Schimpf, 2B from LSU, have excellent college statistics and can hit, but may have to move to other positions. A mixture of college, JC, and high schoolers fill out the rest of the class. I like the mixture of college and high school guys at the top, tools and polish. Looks like a good class to me.

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Keeping in mind the need to save money in order to be able to sign Bailey and Glaesman, I’d have picked two affordable college guys, probably Tim Wheeler in the first round and Justin Marks in the second.

by John Sickels on Jun 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler

exactly who I was thinking of too.

by daveh33 on Jun 11, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baltimore's class could be better than expected...

I think about Jordan’s picks of Arrieta, Reimold, Erbe, Bascom, etc in their middle to late rounds in recent memory. A lot of those guys were considered decent picks or not that good at the time. What are the chances of this draft class having a player or two who overacheives in a similar way?

by basemonkey on Jun 11, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

The Orioles pick wasn't a signibility pick. Thier...

… recent minorleague success has to do with signing dropped guys for above-slot money all the way down to the deeper late rounds. So if Hobgood was a signibility pick, then it is a change in philosophy.

After Hobgood’s last minute Camden Yards workout, Jordan said that he went into the draft with Ackley and Hobgood as his #1 and #2 on his board. Before the draft he even told Hobgood to expect him to be picked if Ackley’s gone.

This class has quite a few late late picks who would go to college if selected in other systems, but may end up signing with the Os if they follow their recent formula.

by basemonkey on Jun 11, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

if money were slotted for picks

I strongly doubt his board would be “Ackley then Hobgood” as he said. So therefore I think it’s clear signability was a factor, which is something I think every organization should account for. Jordan and company however, are saying it was no factor, that’s where I have a problem.

by cowboy4eva on Jun 11, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't that basically what he told Hobgood right before the draft?

Jordan told Hobgood that if Ackley was gone at #5 then he’d pick him. That means that Hobgood was #2 on his draft board. Draft boards should account for signibility as well as talent. Here’s a video of Hobgood’s Draft Day party where he says as much while it was happening. Take it for what it’s worth:

http://www.hsgametime.com/inlandsoutherncalifornia/videopage.html?nvid=369847

For me Matzek’s announcement for “unprecedented money” and post-draft interview sums up a makeup issue more than a signibility concern. Makeup issues are reason enough to pass on a prospect. Even if he wanted a huge bonus there is no reason to say so publically going into the draft, because it only hurts his leverage, so to do so is disturbing. To me he sounds like a cocky delusional kid like Matt Riley was. I was thinking the Os might go for Wheeler but he throws a bit across his body, resulting in a finishes with an arm whip, circling to expend the energy. To me that’s concerning.

by basemonkey on Jun 11, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say "signibility" as much as...

..“makeup”…I guess that’s all I was trying to say. The other HS arms in demanding money seemed to exhibit some “Golden Boy” entitlement makeup issues. Hobgood seemed to be a hardworking “Twins” type of overachieving pick.

John,
I don’t understand why Hobgood’s body being “maxed out” would be a negative. I’ve heard that sentiment from several places. He seems to be close (if not already there) to a MLB-type of frame for a MLB pitcher already. Wouldn’t that be a good thing? Is the concern that he will get too big?

by basemonkey on Jun 11, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

Well if he has a mature body and is throwing 85, it’s a problem. But if he has a mature body and is throwing 94, it doesnt’ bother me much. Personally I love Hobgood.

by John Sickels on Jun 11, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

94 mph, good build, excellent curveball. I would be pretty pleased with that pick if I were an Orioles fan. He is more polished than the other prep arms IMO and could be the first one we see reach the bigs.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 11, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am glad to hear this.

Agreed. Hobgood has reportedly been able to comfortably sit at mid-90s so I don’t see the physique issue as an issue. It sounds as if people get so obsessed with a prospect having a “projectable frame” that they forget why you want a projectable frame in the first place, as some gaurantee that the prospect will develop MLB quality tools tomorrow. But if that player already exhibits those tools, what’s the fuss?

As far as HS pitcher picks go, to me, Hobgood looks like a good bet. The biggest factor for me is his clean simple delivery and large solid joints on the big frame. I’m not sure if you could say the same for the other HS picks in spite of great stuff.

by basemonkey on Jun 12, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hobogod's body

I don’t think lack of projection is what concerns most about his body . . .the kid weighs almost 250 pounds (and that looks like a legit 250 from draft video) as a high school senior, that’s a big boy by any standard. I have to believe that conditioning will be even more important for him than it is for the average young pitcher. If it was a major concern I doubt he would have been the pick at 5 . . .but he wouldn’t be the first young player to struggle with such things.

by mrkupe on Jun 12, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

what specifically

has Heathcott done to warrant the “bad makeup” tag?

by richieabernathy on Jun 11, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Doesnt seem like a big deal
Andrew (South Orange, NJ): Is Heathcott’s intangible problem solely his cocky attitude or is there something much worse out there?

Kevin Goldstein: It’s really not that bad. He just doesn’t come from the best environment in the world, and also had an academic suspension, which can cause some questions about effort and commitment. The good news is that the Yankees do not require book reports from their minor leaguers.

http://baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=616

Biggers concerns are that he’s already had ACL surgery once, and that’s he more of an athlete than ballplayer.

by alskor on Jun 11, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

cocky attitude

If he has a cocky attitude….professional baseball will disabuse him of that notion quickly.

by John Sickels on Jun 11, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll wait

until the kid throws a bat at an umpire a la Delmon Young before I personally believe any player has makeup issues. I’m just so sick of a kid getting branded for smoking a joint in 9th grade like Andrew Lambo or making bad grades or getting into a fight once after gym class, etc. I mean, some of it is ridiculous.

by richieabernathy on Jun 11, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parents...

Is this the kid whose parents are either gone or in jail or something due to drugs? I know that there was one player who had makeup issues along these lines…

by whonichol on Jun 12, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

cocky attitudes...

…has ruined some prospects because they’re sometimes pretty uncoachable. Having immediate success in pro ball can be a bad thing if it promotes a dismissive attitude toward their coaches.

I mentioned him earlier here but, in the Orioles system, there was Matt Riley who followed that path. He was being coached by Scottie McGregor, former All-Star MLB Lefty, and Riley had a way of ignoring him. McGregor would tell Riley to do things like go thru a game without using his slider to focus on changing of speeds, a common Oriole teaching practice. When the game started, Riley’s first pitch? Slider. Riley racked up a lot of Ks and subsequent accolades but didn’t learn how to pitch. If you ask me, if your coach is Scott McGregor, you better listen.

That being said, we have to remember that these kids are very young, and, it is ridiculous to extrapolate larger personality traits based on incidental stuff they did as teenagers.

by basemonkey on Jun 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eliopoulos

Interesting that Eliopoulos went only nine picks lower in the real draft than in the Mock Draft done here (I picked him with Colorado at 59). It was called a bit of an overdraft there as well.

by threesixteen on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Not an overdraft at all. He was ranked #75 on Perfect Game’s Top 250 and #72 on Law’s list. He performed well in late All-Star and Canadian JR national team events.

by metafour on Jun 11, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

LeVon Washington

John, I think you’re underrating LeVon Washington quite a bit. First off, before his shoulder injury he was noted as having a PLUS arm according to Perfect Game’s early showcase profiles, and while its no guarantee he regains all arm strength I’d bet money on the fact that his “below 20 on the scouting scale” arm is still far from being fully recovered and he’ll get it back to average at least, certainly enough for him to play CF.

Secondly, I think you’re underrating his hitting ability as well. You noted that Glaesmann could be better? From what I’ve read there is very little argument that Washington is much more advanced with the bat…remember that he is still coming off of a shoulder injury which forced him to DH most of the season so while the big talk is about his reduced arm strength it could have easily affected his progression at the plate as well. For a speed guy he is supposed to have decently advanced hitting ability.

by metafour on Jun 11, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

could be

Sure, entirely possible. I have mixed reports on the bat. We’ll see. Like I said in the comment, the Rays have a good track record and I’m hesitant to criticize. But on the other hand, I don’t want to sound like MLB’s draft coverage either, where everything was a GREAT PICK!! :)

by John Sickels on Jun 11, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

fyi

BA reports that the Orioles, while annoucning Givens as a RHP, actually plan on having in the field as a SS.

by mrkupe on Jun 11, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey John,

What’s your take on Brandon Synder? He’s putting up a Wietersque season at AA at the same age as Wieters. If he keeps up his performance, how would you rank him? Top 15 prospect? Top 20?

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Jun 11, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Who cares

We took Flacco and Bumbry

by ADLC on Jun 11, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Snyder

is putting together a very nice season but I wouldn’t call his numbers “Wieteresque.” To me the biggest factor in Wieters’ elite prospect billing was his swing coupled with his excellent inverted K/BB numbers. Wieters walked waay more than struck out at AA. And his worst K/BB numbers were within spitting distance of 1:1. Not having a similar season to Wieters is hardly a criticism against Snyder though since Wieters’ minorleague campaign was one of the more memorable runs in decades.

Snyder’s an interesting prospect for me. During the early returns he was recovering from a nasty labrum injury which suppressed his development and he was looking more like a bust. Ever since he’s been as “Below the Radar” a 1st rounder can get and putting together consecutive tours around the minors and AFL with increasingly strong performances. He’s obviously recovered fully now and the power looks legit. He’s one of those prospects who in spite of strong development has slowly dropped in the rankings of his own system because of an influx of higher touted prospects above him.

For the Os sake hopefully Rowell takes a similar path.

by basemonkey on Jun 12, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mychal Givens

I heard the Orioles actually drafted Givens as a SS. What is your opinions if that is indeed the case?

by edsachs1 on Jun 12, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he's a better bet there.

He’s a little below the typical projectable frame to take a pitcher’s wear and tear, unless you think he can be Linaecum. He’s supposed to be a premium tools guy who projects to have power at SS. With a 95+ mph fastball, not a bad problem to have. Though I wonder how many success stories there are of pitchers who are converted into position players in the middle of their minorleague career, or vice-versa? Is it actually feasible to try him out as a pitcher, and then later convert him into an SS?

by basemonkey on Jun 12, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

O's


O’s getting Berry in the 9th is an absolute steal.

by CynicView on Jun 15, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

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