Updated Mets Top 20 List
by Pelferized on May 31, 2009 12:27 AM EDT
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1. Fernando Martinez (1)
2. Wilmer Flores (2)
3. Brad Holt (4)
4. Jon Niese (3)
5. Jenrry Mejia (8)
6. Ike Davis (10)
7. Reese Havens (6)
8. Jefry Marte (6)
9. Josh Thole (NR)
10. Ruben Tejada (18)
11. Dillon Gee (11)
12. Jeurys Familia (NR)
13. Jordany Valdespin (NR)
14. Robert Carson (NR)
15. Scott Shaw (15)
16. Brant Rustich (17)
17. Cesar Puello (14)
18. Eddie Kunz (13)
19. Sean Ratliff (NR)
20. Eric Beaulac (19)
...I was tempted to move Mejia in front of Niese but decided not to. Tejada getting his avg over .280 as a 19 year old in AA when he should be playing in A+ with great defense is looking really promising and a lot of high ceiling guys have been putting up great stats (Familia, Carson, Valdespin) earning a spot on the list
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little soon?
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by Metty5 on May 31, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4 lists a year
off-season, about 1/4 through the season , all-star break, about 3/4 through the season
by Pelferized on May 31, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree to disagree
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by Metty5 on May 31, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holt
How are his secondary pitches coming along? We all know about the mid 90s heat.
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by Dewey Finn on May 31, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw him a lot live last year and the breaking ball improved a lot from the first time I saw him which was right after the draft and the 3rd time I saw right near the end of the season. I’ve only seen limited clips of him this year but some of the clips his breaking ball looks like a sharp curve spot on and other times he still has the loopy slurve its still very inconsistent, but some reports are that he is still working on it every game and still being able to maintain the low walk and homerun rates while doing so we can assume he is commanding it much better which was his main problem when I watched him he left it too high too often
by Pelferized on May 31, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flores
too high on this list.
same with Valdespin
by METSMETSMETS on May 31, 2009 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I must say, I’m a little confused by some of the Met fans around the net.
You give F-Mart the benefit of doubt for years and still are despite him constantly struggling at levels he should have never been at given his age. The Mets’ FO puts Flores on a similar track being placed in A ball at 17. Sure he got off to a slow start but what are you expecting?
He raised his BB% slightly and lowered his K% a little, he certainly has a lot of work to do but he shouldn’t even be in full season ball. Most Met fans were extremely quick to put him 1 or 2 on their list and inside the top 50 of any top 100 prospect list, now you are backing off because of a slow start?
by jfish26101 on May 31, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take another look at Fernando's Sally League stats
He didn’t struggle, he OPSed .880. The reason people are down on Wilmer is because he’s not doing the same thing that Fernando did.
by Fanon on May 31, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I will remember you can forget past struggles with one good year.
by jfish26101 on Jun 1, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fernando was always productive. Perhaps not in an absolute sense, but when relative to his age, he performance was always strong.:
17 yrs, A: .880 OPS
17 yrs, A+: .641 OPS
18 yrs, AA: .713 OPS
19 yrs, AA: .772 OPS
20 yrs, AAA: .889 OPS
Flores is holding is own as a 17 yr old in the Sally league, but not even coming close to Fernando’s production.
That said, I agree he’s being underrated a bit because of his slow start — he still shows incredible hitting tools, and a lot of his struggles have to do with poor conditioning and getting used to playing in a new league, etc.
by T Pac on Jun 4, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I don't think Wilmer Flores is an overate there....
I would think he is the #2 best prospect in the Mets system. (if truly not than how much lower could he really be #4 overall?)
Fernando Martinez already being in the big leagues is a little early for me But, it will be interesting tp see how he does….
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 31, 2009 5:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To continue the Updated Team list - I'll do the Twins
1. OF Ben Revere (1)
2. OF Aaron Hicks (2) EST
3. 3B Danny Valencia (5)
4. C Wilson Ramos (3) -DL
5. SP Anthony Swarzak (16)
6. RP Jose Mijares (6)
7. SP Kevin Mulvey (7)
8. SP Carlos Gutierrez (8)
9. OF Chris Parmelee (10)
10. SP David Bromberg (12)
11. RP Robert Delaney (9)
12. RP Anthony Slama (14)
13. SP Michael McCardell (NR)
14. OF Joe Benson (NR) -DL
15. P Shooter Hunt (4)
16. OF Angel Morales (11)
17. LF/2B Luke Hughes (15)
18. DH Rene Leveret (NR)
19. SP Bobby Lanigan (20 -21)
20. SS Ramon Santana (NR)
SP Jeff Manship (18) just falls short, also INF Steven Tolleson (17) despite his promotion to AAA Rochester also falls shy, and ground ball specialist, P Charles Nolte (20) is now in the New York Yankees organization (via. Jason Jones)
there is OF Jason Pridie (19) who I’ve NEVER liked myself.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 31, 2009 5:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't get why people are still rating Revere over Hicks
The guy could very well hit .300 with speed, but that’s with few walks and little power. Scouts are talking about how he has “line-drive power,” but I can’t help noticing how his ISOP has been dropping pretty steadily, despite being old for his leagues. Despite his numbers being currently lifted by a ludicrously high BABIP, which I very much doubt will continue, his OPS is just over .800. If his BABIP even falls to .350, the level that Ichiro kept at, one of the most successful hitters at getting hits on balls in play, then his OPS would be an unimpressive .761. This is a 21 year old at A+ ball who looks like a somewhat better version of Juan Pierre. How is this better than Aaron Hicks?
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by OldProspects on May 31, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hicks and Gutierrez
should be #1 and #2 on that org.
by LCT on May 31, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Revere over Hicks
Revere is currently hitting about . 350 in High A Ft. Myers
Line: .346/.410/.818
Ben Revere logged 340 AB in single A last year, and has logged over 180 already this year….
Despite lack of power Revere can steal three times as many bags as Aaron Hick could over the same amount of Games, Can you say Aaron Hicks will hit for three times as much power as Revere?
…not yet
how Many AB’s has Aaron Hicks logged at single A or any of the major levels to date? 0
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 31, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slash Line
Avg/OBP/SLG > AVG/OBP/OPS
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by cwhitman412 on May 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only speed was as important as power
Then I’d agree with you. But it isn’t.
As for his batting average, you’re absolutely right that batting .347 is wonderful. The question, however, is is it sustainable. Revere is hitting that high because his BABIP is .376. How many major leaguers in the last 15 years have had BABIPs higher than that over their career? If it drops to even .350 (which would still be remarkably high), then that very nice OPS you cite would drop to a mediocre .761. If it drops to .325, then it would tumble to a flatly bad .711. And this is a 21 year old in A+ ball.
And on the speed issue – most people think that Hicks could very well speed 20-30 bases. Do you really think that Revere will steal 60-90 bases in the majors? I suppose it’s possible. But just for the record, in 2008 only 1 MLBer had more than 60 SBs (Willy Taveras for 68). Realistically, despite Revere’s excellent speed, he probably won’t regularly steal that many bases.
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by OldProspects on May 31, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job, I appluad your effort
Ok I have been convinced, but remember this was a quarterly update…..Hicks hasn’t technically played yet.
So there is my rationale Revere #1 Hicks #2.
But I see your point(s).
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 31, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would put Hughes above
Morales. Slama, Delaney, Benson, Hunt, and Parmelee easily. Overall, your list seems to overvalue future relievers and starters with low upsides. Players like Hughes and Morales would be many times more valuable if they pan out as everyday players, though Morales is much much farther away from doing that.
I just cannot see Parmelee being in the top 10 anymore with him struggling in the FSL and his mediocre preformance last year, even considering both leagues were pitcher’s leagues.
McCardell will be interesting to watch once he hits AA, if he can keep a decent K % while maintaining his low walk rate, he could jump up.
by tdot mariner fan on May 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, No major argument from me here
But Remember Chris Parmelee just turned 21 years old, and while he isn’t tearing up the FSL by any means he has always shown good ability to hit for power IMO and he can draw a lot of walks.
I agree the Average isn’t there yet.
another interesting pair to keep an eye on are:
AA OF Rene Tosoni – the Canadian born outfielder just simply keeps getting promoted despite not really any outstanding tools. Although the Power is really coming along this yar for him.
A+ OF Evan Bigley – would still be in single A Beloit if it were not for the injury to OF Joe Benson.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 31, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ANother intersting player all of the sudden here of late...
1B/COF Whitney Robbins in AA of the EL
.329/.403/.525 .929 OPS
has been hitting, but is a little too old for me to get too excited about.
for me the Twins 21-30:
21. SP Jeff Manship
22. OF Rene Tosoni
23. SP Deolis Guerra
24. SS Steven Tolleson
25. SS Trevor Plouffe
26. 2B Brian Dinkleman
27. OF Evan Bigley
28. RP Alex Burnett
29. 1B Whitney Robbins
30. OF Dustin Martin
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 31, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LHP- Ty Robertson would probably kick out somebody in the Mid teens
Like Shooter Hunt
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 1, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two minor quibbles
I would rank Eric Niesen/LHP and Kirk Nieuwenhuis/OF over Puello and Kunz
by mtk52983 on May 31, 2009 6:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ike Davis is too high...
Although his numbers have improved over last season, I don’t see a reason to move him up more than two spots from where he was. He is still a 22 year old “polished hitting” 1B who is slugging 425 in Hi A.
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by Boxkutter on May 31, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t see how he ever fits in on a major league roster, unless the FSL is somehow dampening his power numbers dramatically. He’s a bit old for those doubles to turn into homers. I’d almost prefer the Mets to convert him to a pitcher right now while having him work on being a pinch hitter on his way up through the minors.
by Fanon on May 31, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he just turned 22 and is something like 6’5 and close to or sub 200 lbs and in person he looks that listed weight, he swims in his jersey which leaves a lot of room for projection if he adds on muscle some of those 16 doubles will turn into bombs where as Reese Havens is probably close to his body limitations so the 7 home runs is nice but there isn’t much projection left
by Pelferized on May 31, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh maybe I did put him a little too high but no more than 2 spots too high. Its more of the seasons Marte and Havens are putting together. Marte is playing terrible defense (i think 20 errors at 3rd), hitting near the mendoza line, and outside of the game last week where he hit 2 bombs on has 1 homer on the season and Havens is showing much more power than advertised im a little disappointed in his errors and AVG. I probably should have Havens over Davis(who hit his 3rd bomb today) but right now I think Marte should be below him.
by Pelferized on May 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mejia should be 2 now
High 90’s fastball with movement and tons of GB’s.
by Bravesin07 on May 31, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mets Fan
Any chance Omar wants Matt Holliday and/or Orlando Cabrera? If so, what would Billy Beane expect to get in return?
by Colorado Fan on May 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ehh
The Mets are tight on payroll right now. They really can’t afford to do much for a guy like Holliday, but I’m pretty sure they’re happy with Murphy/Beltran/Sheffield/Tatis/Martinez/Reed when Beltran returns
by METSMETSMETS on May 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruben Tejeda should be higher in my opinion
There are obvious problems with the small sample size so far, but he has improved quite a bit this year. He has a BB % of 11-12, which is a marked improvement over last year, especially considering the jump. K % has jumped up even more so, but not at the expense of making contact, which is really odd. I expect the strikeouts to go down as the year progresses. I think he can be top 5 easy, depending on what you believe his future position will be and how much power he will develop.
Also, I would second Ike Davis being too high. I do not think Niese is too high right now. I would put Havens above both of them right now.
by tdot mariner fan on May 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question....
John Sickles had Heath Evans his #10 prospect in the system coming into the year…
10) Nick Evans, 1B, Grade C+
where would Nick Rank now? #21 or #22…?
thanks
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 31, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I decided not to rank him...
since he is no longer rookie eligible, but he is such a strange case cause he had an amazing spring, but was sent to AAA because the mets brought in Sheff, where he struggled terribly something like 7-71 it was so bad he was being treated for depression was put in AA where he is still struggling but not as poorly
by Pelferized on May 31, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would add Angel Calero to the list. Lefty with decent stuff.
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by jimduquettesucked on Jun 1, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tejada
I think after his May it is time to move him up to 5 or 6 on this list.
by wobatus on Jun 5, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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