Zack Greinke
by doublestix on May 26, 2009 11:12 PM EDT
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8-1
0.84 ERA
75 IP
81/12 K/BB
5 CG, 2 SO
| DATE | OPP | W | L | ERA | SV | IP | H | ER | BB | SO |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 04/08/2009 | @CWS | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 6.0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 7 |
| 04/13/2009 | CLE | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 5.0 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 9 |
| 04/18/2009 | @TEX | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 9.0 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 10 |
| 04/24/2009 | DET | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 9.0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 10 |
| 04/29/2009 | TOR | 1 | 0 | 0.50 | 0 | 7.0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 8 |
| 05/04/2009 | CWS | 1 | 0 | 0.40 | 0 | 9.0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 10 |
| 05/09/2009 | @LAA | 0 | 1 | 0.51 | 0 | 8.0 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 5 |
| 05/15/2009 | BAL | 1 | 0 | 0.60 | 0 | 7.0 | 6 | 1 | 2 | 6 |
| 05/21/2009 | CLE | 0 | 0 | 0.82 | 0 | 6.0 | 8 | 2 | 2 | 8 |
| 05/26/2009 | DET | 0 | 0 | 0.84 | 0 | 9.0 | 6 |
1 | 0 | 8 |
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I'm in love with him right now...
I drafted him in one of my three fantasy leagues this year. He is my “third” starter after Johan and Lincecum lol.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on May 27, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
^^^Good job
Grabbing the best 3 SP’s in a fantasy league.
by cowboy4eva on May 27, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
What’s funny is that I had Scott Kazmir as my #4 starter. I have since dropped him, but that would have made an awesome Top 4 if he could have done what he is capable of. I was the 9th pick in the 10 team league, so I grabbed Johan #9 overall and snagged Lincecum with #12 overall. I got Greinke in the 9th round and Kazmir in the 10th. Typical 5×5 roto league, and of the 50 possible pitching points, I have 41.5 of them. Only category I am hurting in with pitching is WHIP, where I only have 6 points.
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by Boxkutter on May 27, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have the same top 3
my 4th is Felix Hernandez. Then Ubaldo.
We play a modified stats, inc. format, points league, and I froze santana and lincecum. Greinke was a 4th rounder.
by wobatus on May 28, 2009 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
akward timing on this thread
Way to pick the day of a start in which he raised his ERA by giving up a run in 9 innings.
by cowboy4eva on May 27, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude's unreal
I don’t think he’s a huge fan of letting his teammates pitch
Also, he did record the win today against Detroit.
by valley on May 27, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Predictions on season stat line anybody?
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by gore51 on May 27, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
statline
250 innings, 260 strikeouts, 26-1 record, 0.90 ERA.
by mkvallely on May 27, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wayyyy off base
you off by about 50 Strikeouts, he’ll have at least 300.
;-)
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by JDSussman on May 27, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intellectually I know that he's going to eventually give up homers and runs
But watching his games, I sometimes wonder.
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by OldProspects on May 27, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a need for all those CG's...
What’s the point? Some of those werent even close IIRC.
by alskor on May 27, 2009 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think tonight's margin (5) was actually the largest
that i can remember anyways.
doesn’t really concern me though. should it? i dunno know. he’s still hitting 96 in the 9th inning of these games and command isn’t suffering one bit. and the pitch counts aren’t ridiculous either (as opposed to Lincecum throwing near 140 last year), i think he went 115 tonight which was a season high.
baseball rules.
by doublestix on May 27, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's not to say he shouldn't come out of games where the game is well in hand in the future
baseball rules.
by doublestix on May 27, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CG's
He could of possibly came out after the 8th tonight, but the rest the pitch count hasn’t been high so why not let him get a CG? His highest before had been 111 twice I believe, so going 116 as long as it doesn’t constantly happen, I’m not too worried. Most of the year he has been just in the 90’s to low 100’s, not taking a big toll on him IMO>
by hybrid on May 27, 2009 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think its a big deal or anything
Im just saying… it seems whenever a pitcher goes on a run like this the manager tries to see how hard he can lean on him. If it were me I would be much more conservative with him.
As to the games being close, On Apr 24th they beat Detroit 6-1 and he pitched a CG. Only 108 pitches. Last game out, same opponent, same score, CG. 116 pitches. Neither is a big deal, but still… seems like either would have been a decent time to give him a little breather.
by alskor on May 27, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with your point
I’m just not sure it’s a real big deal because he’s doing it on relatively low pitch counts. If Trey was running him out there for 125 or 130 pitches in 5-run games, then I’d be 100% with you. But 108 pitches or 116 pitches occasionally should be fine.
Also, it’s possible Greinke is giving the bullpen needed rest by going out that one extra inning. Soria is hurt anyway right now, isn’t he? Might just be a case of them saving the bullpen for games its really needed. (I pulled that paragraph out of my ass. Total speculation. Facts could disprove the hypothesis)
by thejd44 on May 27, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah Soria is out for a little while longer
that might even be part of the reason trey is leaning on Zack a little more right now. he hasn’t found another really reliable reliever yet, and he can’t fall back on Soria shutting the door if the game were to get close.
baseball rules.
by doublestix on May 27, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
I’m inclined to agree with alskor, but I’m a neophyte in this area. Sentimentally, I find it highly enjoyable to watch Greinke go start to finish. However, I wonder if pragmatically speaking it’s advisable. Is there any empirical data that supports the notion that after a certain amount of pitches in a given year, a pitcher’s performance starts to suffer?
by FastBennyF on May 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree...
if the pitch counts were high or the Royals had a better pen. But Farnie has blown enough games for them that leaving Greinke in to finish the game and still stay under 117 pitches in every start seems like a smart idea. I am sure Greinke appreciates it, the fans love it, and it makes things easier on the coach. Right now, I see no one in the AL who will truly compete against Greinke for the Cy Young. Halladay may be the best bet, but with Halladay’s best attribute being how deep he goes into games, Greinke racking up the CGs will keep that argument moot.
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by Boxkutter on May 27, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out Verlander's last 6 starts
He’ll be in the running for the Cy too.
by patsfan on May 27, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Verlander has been slightly better in May
Missing more bats.
Greinke in May:
3-1, 1.15 ERA, 39 IP, 30 H, 4 BB, 5 R, 5 ER, 37 K
Verlander in May:
4-0, 1.02 ERA, 35.1 IP, 17 H, 10 BB, 4 ER, 4 R, 51 K
by sdbaseballfan on May 27, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shit...
You got me. I totally forgot about him, and he is one of my favorite current pitchers. Drafted him out of college in my dynasty league and I just read the article at Fangraphs that was posted a couple days ago. As Bill Cosby said “Nothing good can ever be blogged after midnight.” … or something like that lol.
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by Boxkutter on May 27, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
verlander
didn’t go to college
by son.of.sourman on May 27, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old Dominion wants to talk with you.
They’re wondering why they don’t count as a college anymore.
by PissedMick on May 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut down for being too archaic.
Check out New Dominion. Excellent University.
by asyouwish33 on May 27, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am all for strict pitch counts
But once in awhile I want to see somebody go the distance. I simply want to be entertained. I want a little taste of the old days.
Where’s Satchel Freaking Paige when you need him?
by sdbaseballfan on May 27, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got 4 CG and he's averaging 95 pitches per start. He can afford to go deep because he's so freaking efficient.
Pitches are far more important than innings.
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by Tyler on May 27, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i do know he averages more than that
and looking it up……
he actually averages 107 per start so far. still not ridiculous given that he goes 9 half the time.
baseball rules.
by doublestix on May 27, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently I'm blind.
I guess I could have looked at his career number, but I swore both this years and his career numbers were really similar. I looked it up yesterday (probably before he pitched), but he didn’t throw enough pitches to make it jump that much. Guess I was wrong.
But still, 107 is reasonable for just about any start, but very reasonable for a pitcher that’s averaging 7.5 innings a game.
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by Tyler on May 27, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I find entertaining?
Winning.
Especially championships.
by alskor on May 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pffffffffft
who would want that.
baseball rules.
by doublestix on May 27, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread is superfluous
Tim Lincecum also pitched last night.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.
by samjjones on May 27, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So Lets See
Top 5 pitchers in baseball. It’s gotten really close.
Johan, Greinke, Verlander, Lincecum, Billingsley?
Looking at my league’s player rater they’re five of the top six, with Halladay being in there. Who would have thought that Wandy would be number seven.
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by cwhitman412 on May 27, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a gap btwn Greinke/Lincecum/Johan
And everybody else.
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by OldProspects on May 27, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cough cough
Halladay, large omission. Others to consider include
Haren?
Wandy? [is terrific the past combined year]
Cain? (just because 1. he’s close to Lincecum this year, and 2. I’m a homer.
King Felix?
Also, I don’t think Billingsley should be up there, the 30 BB haven’t hurt him too much so far, but I can’t see that trend continuing.
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by gore51 on May 27, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Halladay is a HUGE omission
Can you imagine the numbers Halladay would put up in the AL Central (Greinke) or NL West (Lincecum)? I’m not discrediting either guy, but Halladay is absolutely phenomenal
by thejd44 on May 27, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to say
He might be the most underrated player of this generation..
Halladay is a HORSE
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by JDSussman on May 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Refutation
I suppose I was thinking differently. I was thinking more along the lines of over the next few years. Yes, I’ll put Halladay up there now, at #5, with Billingsley #6. Honestly, I see Billingsley being top 3 Cy Young perenially. A 200 Inning 200 KO 3 ERA monster. Also, Verlander should definitely be top 5. He had an absolutely dreadful defense and luck the first few starts of this season, plus he regained his velocity from last season. I noticed a trend in which his velocity actually went UP as the game went on and never tapered off. He’s been absolutely amazing.
And about your suggestions, there’s definitely a huge dropoff after this top six.
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by cwhitman412 on May 27, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
and I agree then for the next few years. But if that is the case, then King Feliz/Cain definitely belong on the list (or at least in talks)
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by gore51 on May 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bills
Let’s see him cut that walk rate damn near in half before we start talking about him as a perennial Cy contender. I like to compare Billingsley’s numbers with Jorge De La Rosa’s. It’s surprising how close they are in K/9, BB/9, GB%, and velocity. And De La Rosa’s left-handed.
I’d love to see the two trade home parks and see how the opinions on them change.
by PissedMick on May 28, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billingsley Redux
Billingsley is also only 24, turning 25 later this season, and drastically improving every year. His FIP is just about the same as his ERA around 2.82. De La Rosa also has not had much success. Even in Colorado, this year and last year have been the first years of him doing anything in the majors, and he sucked in other places too.
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a noob could be simply a level 100 running round shouting ‘’WTF DO I GO!?’’ or someone calling someone else a noob and then getting hit with a brick, anyone can call anyone a noob, but normally they are noobs themselves
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by cwhitman412 on May 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billingsley's FIP
is so low because he’s having insane luck on HR/F. FIP doesn’t even look at that. That’s why Bills’ xFIP is 3.85, while De La Rosa’s is 3.99. Also, there’s no definitive difference in the development stage a 24/25-year-old pitcher is in compared to a 27-year-old pitcher. Pitchers don’t develop the same way hitters do.
This is not to say Billingsley is a bad pitcher. He’s a very good pitcher. The point is the two pitchers are quite similar, except for one has a top-prospect background and is in pitcher heaven, while the other is a “failed” prospect playing in a pitcher’s nightmare. Bills is probably not as good as most people think he is, while De La Rosa is better than his reputation.
by PissedMick on May 28, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Doesn’t Billz home park have something to do with his low HR/FB rate? BTW, I think CB is a much better fantasy pitcher than DLR because you don’t lose half his starts because of his home park. I have both on my roster but will only start DLR on the road.
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by WayneCampbell08 on May 29, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're talking strictly about fantasy...
then of course those things matter. I believe the discussion was about whether Billingsley was a Cy-level player, and how he compared as a pitcher to Jorge De La Rosa. Having a good home park doesn’t make a pitcher better even if his numbers get a boost.
But no, Bills’ home park is not responsible for a 1% HR/F. That’s just ridiculous.
by PissedMick on May 29, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Looks like he doesn’t give up many HRs in general. 06-5.4%, 07-7.4%, 08-5.4%
His career average is 5.5% so that’s only about 4 1/2 HR which isn’t THAT far from the single home run. Er, Koyie Hill just homered and there have only been 2-3 other fly balls in the game so now his average is up to 2.2%. Maybe he’s one of the exceptions to that 10% rule …
His hits allowed is down this year, but the BABIP & LD% is within his career norms. Damn, looks like Joe left him in one inning too long.
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by WayneCampbell08 on May 29, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
It’s more likely he’s a historically unique player than a guy who’s had good luck in a pitcher’s park. I stand corrected.
by PissedMick on May 30, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
Glad I won this argument.
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by WayneCampbell08 on May 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hes good.
Lets hope he doesn’t have another “mental” breakdown again.
Rebuild and Restock.
by trademaker on May 27, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The post is so snarky
I can’t figure out if you don’t believe in mental disorders or if you think Greinke was faking it or had some other issue.
by thejd44 on May 27, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do, My grandmother has one
its a terribal thing, I do
Rebuild and Restock.
by trademaker on May 27, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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