Hit and Run, May 22nd, 2009
Hit and Run, May 22nd 2009
**I think I'm going to do an expanded study of college pitchers in past drafts for you. The exact parameters are undetermined as of yet. Time is short, as the real draft is approaching and I have my regular duties to attend to, but college pitching seems to be the strength of the current class and having some historical perspective seems like a good plan. One idea is to look at all college pitchers drafted in the first round in certain drafts. Another is to look at college pitchers who have actually been successful, no matter what round they were drafted in. But I have to balance the research needed vs. my other baseball duties (for example, the updated Rotowire 100 I've been working on this week) and the need to pay a modicum of attention to my family.
**David Price had a good start on May 17th for Durham, throwing five shutout innings with no hits allowed, two walks, and nine strikeouts. He got a no-decision, moving his record to 1-4, 3.93 with a 35/18 K/BB in 34 innings, 28 hits allowed. Obviously this wasn't exactly what the Rays, and Price's fantasy owners, were looking for, although it's not awful: his K/IP remains strong, and he has a 14/2 K/BB in his last two starts, so perhaps he is coming around. Right now I'm not worried about him. He was told to concentrate on his curveball and changeup in the early part of the season, and has been on a strict pitch count up until now. He also admitted this week that he was disappointed in being sent to the minors to start the season, but is pulling out of his mental funk. As long as he is physically healthy, I still believe in Price.
**If Price isn't the top lefty in the minors, it is Madison Bumgarner, who is doing very well indeed in his first two Double-A outings: 2-0, 0.75 with an 11/3 K/BB in 12 innings, 8 hits allowed. Yes, yes, we need a larger sample, but right now the adjustment is going very well. Price vs. Bumgarner is one of the decisions I am puzzling over while working on the Rotowire list.
**Shortstop prospect Dee Gordon with the Great Lakes Loons is hitting .319/.370/.440 with 23 steals in 26 attempts. He has just one homer, but has knocked six triples. Plate discipline (11/30 BB/K in 166 at-bats) and defensive reliability (10 errors) are issues he needs to address, but his athletics is excellent and his long-term potential very high. The thing I find interesting about him is his background. When the Dodgers drafted hi m in the fourth round last year, there was a lot of "huh?" among the media and in some war rooms, since Gordon had received almost no pre-draft chatter. He hadn't played due for academic reasons in junior college last spring, but I found it interesting that a player with his kind of athleticism and with his bloodlines (Tom Gordon's son) wasn't on that many radars. Someone will always slip through the cracks.
**Sleeper Prospect: Wynn Pelzer, RHP, San Diego. He is 6-1, 3.55 with a 51/14 K/BB in 46 innings for Lake Elsinore, and has been overpowering in his last two outings, striking out 20 in 14.1 innings, with just three walks and seven hits allowed. A ninth round pick from the University of South Carolina in 2007, Pelzer was a mediocre reliever with control problems in college, though he struck out a hitter per inning his junior year and got some notice due to a 90+ fastball and a big-breaking, if erratic, curve. The Padres made him a starter, and he had a decent year in the Midwest League last season with a 3.19 ERA and a 100/32 K/BB in 118 innings. His career mark in the minors is now 15-7, 3.44 with a 151/47 K/BB in 165 innings, 152 hits. We need to see what he can do in Double-A, but he has good stuff and it appears his control is coming around.
**Should we be worried about the slow start of Lars Anderson in Double-A?
He now has 133 at-bats for Portland, hitting .241/.338/.421, certainly less than expected. He also had 133 at-bats for Portland last summer, so we have identical sample sizes to combine. His total Double-A line now looks like this:
75 games, 266 at-bats, 46 runs, 74 hits, 22 doubles, 0 triples, 10 homers, 53 RBI, 49 walks, 75 strikeouts, 1 steal in 1 attempt, .278/.387/.474. That's not bad for a 21 year old, and if he develops at a normal pace there is still every reason to be optimistic about him. He's had a bad May, hitting .172/.333/.379 this month, though interestingly his BB/K this month is good at 14/17 in 73 plate appearances. Perhaps he has lost some balance between aggression and too much patience this month, or maybe it is just small sample size perils. In any event, I'm not worried about him yet. If his numbers are still in the current 2009 range in August, then we'll have to re-evaluate.
**Off-Topic: For today's musical interlude, we have some classic Neil Young.
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according to soxprospects Anderson has had a back injury
but when he gets a hold of one it can go a long way.
by Bravesin07 on May 22, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lars
his May BABIP is .154, so given the uptick in walks and solid IsoP (.207 this month), I think it’s much more bad luck in the sample size rather than losing balance between aggression and patience.
by jibs on May 22, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
He may be having bad luck now, but his numbers from last year probably had some good luck built in (as well as some serious park effects).
Lars’ park/luck adjusted OPS by level (from minorleaguesplits.com):
A (age 19) .765
A+(age 20) .851
AA(age 21) .827
I’m not sure that screams top prospect at 1B.
Compare that to, say, Brandon Snyder:
A (age 20) .827
A+(age 21) .830
AA(age 22) .910
by dkdc on May 22, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS is particularly unfair to Lars
His ability to work a count and get on base is his best skill – extremely advanced for his age. OBP is worth roughly 3 times SLG. OPS treats them equally.
What makes Lars a great prospect is his phenomenal discipline and approach combined with the fact he’s a big, strong guy who scouts think will hit for lots of power. He has shown flashes of massive power… He crushes balls on occasion, but he still doesnt know how to look for pitches to drive. That usually comes later with prospects.
The guy isnt a finished product, but he’s still young and he’s exceptional at the things that are important and there is every (scouting) reason to believe he’s going to be exceptional at the stuff that he doesnt do well yet.
by alskor on May 22, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just using OPS as a shorthand
There are underlying components that are encouraging (his walk rate), and components that aren’t as encouraging (contact rate and power).
I’m also not pretending that the above analysis says anything about Lars ceiling and long-term potential, it’s just an observation on how I think he’s pretty far away.
There was a perception among some coming into this season that Lars was dominating the minors and was just about major-league ready, so all I’m saying is that he’s very much a work in progress. To be an asset as an average defender at 1B, his bat will need to take a big step forward.
by dkdc on May 22, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick Question
I’m puzzled by your statement that OBP is worth 3 times SLG. Can you explain how? Just curious ….
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on May 22, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the formula BP uses for EqA
Simply put, getting on base is roughly 3 times as important as hitting for extra bases. Obviously a broad statement, but getting on base is the most important thing a hitter can do. The consensus of the Sabrmetric community seems to be that OBP is 3 times as valuable as SLG. Its been written about quite a bit. Its also not a fast rule… I think for a cleanup hitter SLG might be slightly more valuable or something like that.
I think a large part of it is that the highest OBP one can have is 1.000, while the highest SLG is 4.000… so, essentially the way we measure extra base hits inflates their value comparable to the way we measure the ability to get on base.
Pretty sure this was in Moneyball, too…
by alskor on May 22, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Been a while since I read Moneyball, I’ll have to look through it again someday …
Though I lean more towards using stats for player evaluation, I’m by no means a sabermetrican. I’d agree getting on base is huge. I’d also agree that OBA is probably more important than SLG, but 300% more is something I’m having a hard time wrapping my mind around. I dunno. Just seems kinda excessive ….
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on May 23, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon v Crawford
With both of the shortstops of to somewhat suprising starts who would you expect 5 yrs from now to be a flash in the pan and who to become a quality mlb’er?
by tulolince on May 22, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
John:
When will your updated Top 100 list be appearing at Rotoworld?
Can you offer us any hints as to where Desmond Jennings or Mat Latos might now rank?
by Pappagiorgio on May 22, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rotowire
It’s Rotowire, not Rotoworld. :)
Jennings ranks pretty high. Haven’t placed Latos yet. These lists take forever and I’m never satisfied with them.
by John Sickels on May 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry – I knew that, but tend have momentary bouts of idiocy ;)
Thanks for answering – I am looking forward to seeing the updated list.
by Pappagiorgio on May 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1 for Pappa
I had been wondering the same thing, thanks for asking.
John, does Tony Thomas make the Top 100 cut too? He is putting up similar numbers to Jennings in the same league (although his SBs are much weaker).
by FanBall on May 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thomas
I dunno about Thomas. Have to consider everything. He’s a candidate.
I’ve got the top 50 but the second 50 is hard.
by John Sickels on May 22, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you John, I can't wait for the list!
by FanBall on May 25, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
list
the list has been submitted to rotowire. It should be up soon.
by John Sickels on May 25, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dee Gordon
Another tie in with Gordon is the Dodgers assistant GM DeJon Watson was a Royals farmhand with Flash Gordon. So there’s another link between the team and him. The errors are a worry, but I feel like he just needs more experience in the field.
by ASUcruz on May 22, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MadBum!
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on May 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Neil Young yes
One, he’s great, despite being as best I can tell a difficult man.
Two, his music appeals to the strangest mix of my friends — and trust me, that means it is a very, very odd agglomeration of personalities.
And I still like Heyward better than Bumgarner. But maybe not for long if he keeps this up.
by wcw on May 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs













