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Is GO/AO a pretty important pitching stat??

I'll admit I don't know much about this stat, and it's impact on a pitchers performance.

 

Does anyone have any examples of pitchers in the history of MLB with threat GO/AO rates.? 

 

Are they usually sinkerball pitchers.?

 

Can a high GO/AO every be a bad thing?

 

I know Twins prospect Carlos Guttierrez has about a 5+ ratio of Ground balls to fly outs.  I'm not sure if that's good or bad....

Basically I'm just asking if GO/AO is a stat people put much value on, or is strike outs much more important, or how do you view it.

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Strikeouts are generally more important.

But every factor should be weighed. Groundouts have a lesser chance of turning into a hit than flyouts or line drives, meaning a higher GO/AO is usually a good thing. However, usually pitchers with very high rates for that have lower strikeout rates, making them more vulnerable to giving up tons of hits. Notice how Chien-Ming Wang has done without his best sinker this year. That’s your risk when you have a guy who gives up lots of groundballs without striking out a lot. When their game isn’t exactly right, and they don’t have excellent command, they generally get hammered at the higher levels.

by Andy Seiler on Apr 30, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GO is! AO not so much...

Kidding, getting groundballs is the second most important thing a pitcher can do.

by alskor on Apr 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GO/AO

Is pretty pointless. Groundballs and Flyballs on the other hand is more useful. The SLG on groundballs is going to be much lower because they will never go for home runs, while fly balls go for HR’s 11% of the time across major league baseball.

GO/AO only considers OUTS, not balls in play and that in turn hides information and can be skewed big time by the defenders behind a certain pitcher.

by dougdirt on Apr 30, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by OldProspects on May 1, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Groundballs

VERY overrated IMO.

Yes, they tend to help ERA, but only slightly help actual Runs scored against the pitcher. Why? Because 80% of all errors occur on grounders. Yes, Slg on flyballs is much higher, but is negated to a large extent by all the errors that occur on grounders.

Fact of the matter is, when it comes to actual Runs scored by the opposition, K Rate and BB Rate are MUCH more predictive of actual pitcher success than GB Rate.

by guru4u on Apr 30, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is wishy-washy, but...

It all depends.

Obviously a strikeout pitcher has more control over the outcome himself, but depending on the park that one plays in and the team that is in the field behind him, a lot can change. So from a raw talent/success in any environment, a strikeout guy trumps all.

As for the rest….

You really aren’t dying to have a flyball pitcher in Texas, nor would you want a groundball pitcher on turf (On the flip side, I could make an argument that I would let the grass grow a bit on my infield if I had infielders with a lot of range and a lot of groundball pitchers).

Also, to me, range would be much more important in the outfield if you have pitchers that allow a lot more flyballs and line drives.

I think a good GM says, here is our organizational philosophy, we want Groundball pitchers, infielders who can pick it, and outfielders who slug the ball. Then he builds a scouting staff and a development staff that supports those philosophies (and makes trades based on thos philosophies).

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by BStal11 on May 1, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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