Prospect Retro: Aramis Ramirez

by John Sickels on Apr 24, 2009 8:00 AM EDT

Aramis Ramirez was signed by the Pirates as a free agent out of the Dominican Republic in 1994. He made his North American debut at the age of 18 in 1996, playing for Erie in the New York-Penn League. He hit great: .305/.403/.525, with nine homers, 31 walks, and 41 strikeouts in 223 at-bats, showing the ability to hit for both average and power, and demonstrating fine strike zone judgment. I was writing the STATS Minor League Scouting Notebooks back then, and space limitations prevented us from writing much about the short-season leagues in the early editions, but a similar prospect now would get something like a Grade B+ from me, being young, relatively polished, and successful against older competition in his debut.

Promoted to Lynchburg in the Carolina League in 1997, Ramirez continued to rake, hitting .278/.390/.517 with 29 homers, 114 RBI, 80 walks, and just 103 strikeouts in 482 at-bats. His +25 percent OPS was third in the Carolina League, and he was the youngest player in the circuit. He was error-prone, but scouts said he had the range and arm strength to handle third base with more experience. I gave him a Grade A in the 1998 book and rated him the Number Five prospect in baseball. The top four were Adrian Beltre, Ben Grieve, Paul Konerko, and Todd Helton.

The Pirates promoted Ramirez aggressively in 1998, splitting his season between Triple-A Nashville (.274/.374/.423 in 47 games) and the majors (.235/.296/.351 in 72 games). He was obviously overmatched against major league competition, but given his age and lack of experience above A-ball, this was understandable. He blew past rookie qualifications, so he wasn't in further books.

He spent most of 1999 in Triple-A, hitting .328/.425/.546 at age 21 with 73 walks and just 56 strikeouts in 460 at-bats, but hit just .179 in 18 games for the Pirates. 2000 was another split season, .353/.507/.521 in 44 games for Nashville, but .256/.293/.402 in 73 games for the Pirates. Younger fans might not remember this, but back then people started to complain that Ramirez was a big disappointment. He was still just 22, and it was way too early to give up of course.

He had a huge season for the PIrates in 2001 (.300/.350/.536), but then doubts arose again whne he struggled in '02 (.234/.279/.387). He was traded to the Cubs in '03, and this seemed to liberate him. . .he's been one of the best third basemen in the baseball ever since.

As a prospect, Ramirez was always very young for his leagues, but put up excellent numbers anyway, until being rushed to the majors in '98 with little high level experience. His strikeout rate was notably low for a young power hitter, and he controlled the strike zone well. If he had spent 1998 in Double-A instead of being pushed to the Show so fast, perhaps he would have had an easier time transitioning to the majors in '99 and '00.

In historical terms, Ramirez ranks among some interesting company. His top PECOTA comps are Mike Lowell, Don Money, Brooks Robinson, Sal Bando, Bill Melton, Gary Gaetti, Tim Wallach, Eric Karros, Paul Konerko, Morgan Ensberg, Scott Rolen, and Ken McMullen. Sim Scores through age 30 bring up Rolen, Eric Chavez, Greg Luzunski, Shawn Green, Gary Sheffield, Carlos Lee, Carlos Beltran, Dale Murphy, Rudy York, and Chipper Jones. There are no bad players on these lists, though some of them didn't last particularly long.

We need to see how Aramis ages. His last five OPS+ marks are 138, 135, 126, 129, 128, giving him some impressive consistency the last three years, though not quite at his age 26-27 peak. If he lasts long enough at this level of performance, he could eventually get some borderline Hall consideration, though a normal age curve would make him fall short I think.

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Pirates Organization

Another indication of how bad that organization is/was. Trade Ramirez as soon as he gets good but give long term contracts to guys like Kendall and Wilson.

by Lunkwill Fook on Apr 24, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions

Yet another stupid Pirates move...

Littlefield should’ve had his knees broken.

by royshowell on Apr 24, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions

i was living in PA..

pirates’ fans knew how good ramirez was….they see that he had been traded and their reaction was “what are we doing.” i can’t explain why the pirates decided to cut bait with him. aside from the errors, he was the kind of player you build your team around.

by psugator on Apr 24, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions

A lot of frustration...

built up among the organization and fans in 2002 and 2003. I remember going to a game where twice he hit ground balls to the left side and sort of jogged about halfway down the line. I also seem to remember him putting on some weight (and not in a Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco kind of way) during his last year or two in Pittsburgh. He got a strong reputation as a lazy waste among fans.

Certainly doesn’t justify moving him, although we can’t be sure he would have been too motivated playing for a going-nowhere team in a going-nowhere organization. Doesn’t justify moving him for Bobby Hill and a single-A arm, but he did appear to need the change of scenery.

by jseiner on Apr 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions

i agree with jseiner

i umped a varsity baseball game yesterday that featured probably the worst team in my county. the battery had probably the two best players on the team, but they played very lacksadaisically. i said something to the coach and his comment was that it’s hard to get even good players excited about the sport when the team continues to lose. so i’m guessing that may be how ramirez was starting to feel about the pirates.

by psugator on Apr 24, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions

before I was into prospects

I didn’t know anything about him but what I saw on the field back then, and I thought for sure he would wash out. I remember him playing some of the worst 3rd base I have ever seen for the Pirates. I had no idea what the Cubs would want with him and I was actually glad he was traded. I was sure he would make them worse.

I still don’t like him though.

My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.

by Shamus on Apr 24, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions