Trevor Cahill's second start...
by JPShark on Apr 12, 2009 6:02 PM EDT
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PrintCahill was pretty lucky to get out of his first major league start with a 3.60 ERA. He was probably pretty nerved up, and it showed. He gave up 5 hits and 5 walks in 5 innings while only striking out 1. His sinker was solid, not great and his secondary stuff was inconsistent at best.
Today he started against Seattle and carried a no hitter through 6-1/3 before Beltre had a solid line drive single to CF. Sweeney ended up hitting a misplayed line drive to CF which ended up as a RBI double to give Cahill his first ER of the game. He ended up getting through 7 IP with 97 pitches, giving up 2 hits and 3 walks while striking out 3. His sinker looked much more lively today with great downward movement that sat 89-92 MPH and touched 94 more then once (with less movement). His changeup moves much like his sinker, but he also throws it 79-80 and was much more consistent with it today. He only through a few curve balls, but it looked much better as well. I'm sure Cahill will hit some bumps in the road, but all in all I think he's come out pretty well through his first two major league starts at barely 21 years old.
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gameday pitch f/x
had him hitting 92 once and that was the highest it got. from the 4th inning and on, it only shows him hitting 90 or better 4 times.
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Well I was going by the Comcast Sports Net gun
as well as from what people at the stadium said the gun there was reading. Sounded (and looked) like he was sitting 89-92. Either way his stuff was pretty dirty at times, and he showed much more consistency and confidence. EVERYTHING was moving and not many found that fat part of the bat. Lots of groundballs and help from some pretty slick defense behind,him.
re:
Perhaps the gun from when he pitched in the Olympics game was off or he’s not throwing them at this point, but he threw about four or five 95 – 97 fastballs with some arm side run during one of his Olympic outings with different movement from his two-seamer.
And to me, his fastball gets heavier when it’s thrown with lower velocities, meaning 88 or 89 mph…it’s effective even at 87. The pitch is just extremely difficult to lift. If he can get ever get his command in order, he’s a No. 1 guy, IMO>
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Question would you add him in a 5X5 head to head fantasy league?
Where theres 12 teams and only 22 roster spots
P
P
P
SP
SP
RP
RP
with the primary offensive positions and 1 Utilty
-also the league is a year in and year out keeper league (6 keeprs a year)
I think i’d add him, but I’d have to drop Kawakami, or Jed Lowrie or Travis Snider….
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 12, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
Not at all
I could be wrong but, Im pretty optimistic about Cahill long-term because he was my top pick in my DMB draft but I cant imagine him being someone to add in a 12 team league. He just cracked the 30-team league and will have his struggles staying this season I think- despite pitching well today.
Not with only 5 SP spots
I don’t think Cahill is one of the top 60 fantasy players, not yet anyway. If you had a bench spot or something it might be worth it, but even then I’d advise you to stash Brett Anderson for a few weeks instead. I think he’s more likely to stick (and be halfway decent) this year.
by thejd44 on Apr 14, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I was pretty impressed
I think at one point he had a GO to FO ratio of 12:3. He didn’t seem to mix in his curve until the 3rd time through the order; once he starts to use that weapon more, I think he’ll start to miss more bats.
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I’ll do a Pitch F/x of him.
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According to Pitch F/x...
Threw 29 four seamers, 22 two seamers, 41 changeups, 4 curveballs, and a slider. Topped out at 91.9.
by Andy Seiler on Apr 12, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont buy that pitch F/x data. You’re telling me he threw 51 fastballs and 41 changeups? I find that hard to believe. I just think they don’t have it right. His changeup must be being confused with his sinker or something, i dont know. But almost a 1:1 fastball to change up ratio? I’ve never heard of such a thing.
Either way
If his two seam fastball is only as fast as the typically average change up (hence the system categorizing it as such), then it should be noted that he just doesn’t throw that hard.
It’s still meaningful data.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Apr 13, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The data is off, plain and simple.
I watched the entire game, and regardless of whether or not the gun was off his changeup was consistently 9-12 MPH slower then his 2 seamer. His 4 seamer sat 3-4 MPH higher then his 2 seamer. The stadium gun, as well as the CSNBA gun may have been a bit off but he was throwing his fastball/sinker harder, with more movement then he did against the Angels in his first start. There was a pretty good difference in both his “stuff” and velocity that you could see just from eyeballing it.
Good point hidden in here
It doesn’t matter how much the CSNBA guy was off, it’s ALWAYS off regardless of pitch. So the difference in velocity between pitches is still relevant, accurate information even if we don’t know if he was really at 90, 92, or 94 mph with his 4-seamer.
by thejd44 on Apr 14, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think the data is off
personally.
Gameday data is pretty damn accurate. If my preconceived notions and gameday data disagree, Id be foolish to assume the gameday data is “off.”
Confidence
I think this start will be a huge confidence booster for Cahill.
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Awesome start
He really settled in after the first inning or so, and he did a much better job of mixing his pitches and not overthrowing this time around. Definitely got some positive results.
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