What do you not like about David Price?
by loop on Mar 3, 2009 12:12 AM EST
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PrintI have been reading about Price and all his wonderful attributes for so long that it seems like so many on this site feel that it's a foregone conclusion that the guy is going to be the next Sandy Koufax or something. Let me first say that I own him in my main keeper league AL only, so I hope all you fanboys are right, but I still want to pose this question to everyone. What do you NOT like about David Price? What about him says to you that he will not be successful or what will cause his downfall? I'm not talking about injuries, injuries can happen to anyone. I mean from what you've seen so far, what do you not like. Discuss....
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Not a big deal but
wasn’t blown away by his minor league strikeout rate. Sure he was effective, but from a guy with Price’s stuff and polish, I am surprised he didn’t put up bigger k numbers. He’s going to be a hell of a pitcher though, no doubt.
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Questionable Curveball means more slider
one of the worst for the arm, not saying he will get hurt. But I definitely like somebody who throws fastball-change-curve a lot more health wise.
It's not at all out of the question that he won't have a year like Buchholz's 2008
Buchholz is a terrific pitcher and so is David Price, but so far everything has worked out perfectly which will simply not continue to happen. There will be mis-steps, problems, mistakes, etc. I’d make the same comment about Matt Wieters, but especially about Price because pitchers are necessarily less consistent. Frankly, if I have Price in a league, I’d deal him for Buchholz and Hughes while Price’s value is perfect.
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I wouldn't
make that trade. The chance of Price’s value increasing / the amount it could increase at this point is just to big for those 2 question marks.
You might be right
Except as a rule with pitchers, and particularly with pitching prospects, I’d rather have more question marks than the one guy who everybody believes in. The reason is that the “perfect” pitching prospect is oftentimes the guy who hasn’t screwed up yet.
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by OldProspects on Mar 3, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Lemonjello – that is the ONE thing that I question about Price. I wanted to see that dominant performance in the minor leagues last year, at least one time. I wanted to see the game where he dropped 14 strikeouts in a 1 hitter or something. I know he was on a pitch count for most of the year and such, but that is one thing that kind of bothered me about Price last season. For a supposed big time strikeout pitcher, getting a k an inning is not something that makes you stop and take notice. I know of his polish and his ground ball rates, and I love the kid as a prospect, I’m not saying I don’t. I just think that EVERYONE sees him as a slam dunk and I wanted to hear others points of view to see if they had any of the same fears I did.
One of the best SP prospects I have seen
The thing I like over everything is his easy motion. Even though it would be nice if he had more than a FB/SL combo(ocassional CU), this can still be effective because he doesn’t change arm angles from FB to SL. That makes his slider better even though it doesn’t look devastating from behind. And since he throws it from 3/4 it is much less stressful on the arm.
His upside is so tremendous you can’t look for ditractions in his game right now.
My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.
Control
He struggled with his control a bit at times, but that also comes with just about any young pitcher.
There's a pretty decent chance that Price only ends up being pretty good
But he can locate two plus pitches, which is a great start. The biggest issue is whether he can develop his change into a true third pitch. Still, his fastball and slider are good enough that he should still be a good MLB starter even if the change never develops. Randy Johnson was one of the better pitchers in the majors for years while almost exclusively throwing the same two pitches (although granted his FB/SL combo was better than Price’s, though his command of it was much worse at the same age).
Vogt early, Vogt often.
All good points
My biggest issue is that he just doesnt have the electric stuff you expect from somebody who is supposed to be the best pitching prospect in the game.
He’s more smooth than electric. Still, I expect him to be a front of the rotation MLB pitcher…
K rates
Not impressive last season. I know it’s a small sample size, but it’s enough to raise some questions. Certainly they were not indicative of the kind of “ZOMG best picther EVAR” hype that he has received.
I also felt his slider was kind of flat in the playoffs, but maybe it was just the camera angle.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
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Does he throw a Changeup?
If not that’s a problem.
by schmosterballs92 on Mar 3, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions
His biggest problem
Not only is he not Matt Wieters, but Matt Wieters is also in his division!
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He's not a Cub...
Nor is he on my fantasy team…
Other than that I think he is great
All the negatives will be moot
Unless he eventually goes down the path of Steve Avery…
Hype.
I like him just fine, but I’m afraid the common fan is already developing an overblown sense of expectation from him. Worse, I’m afraid he’ll start believing it and not be able to overcome the inevitable rookie / young player struggles.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Mar 4, 2009 7:06 PM EST reply actions
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