Angel Villalona
On my new blog I just posted a prediction for Villalonas 2009 season in HiA ball. Will he still be a top prospect next season with a year like this?
http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/
I also just posted a career projection for Brett Wallace.
I enjoy doing this and I plan to do this occasionally for seasons and careers for minor leaguers, young mlb players and maybe even an occasional college player.
Please post if you like this or if you think I'm on crack...haha
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Have you taken park, league difficulty, age relative to league, or defense into consideration? What do you project his OBP/SLG to be? I’m much more interested in that than his RBI or BA (though I wouldn’t completely ignore BA for a hitter with discipline issues like Villalona).
You don’t think Wallace ever hits the DL?
I don’t mean to come off as harsh, I blog too and don’t think it’s necessarily easy, but that’s just some feedback that came to mind.
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thanks for the constructive criticism
I did take into account the age relative to the league and the difficulty. His OBP will be 0.314 and 0.492 slg.
I did figure for Wallace to be on the DL for an extended period for one season and miss a dozen or so games each year. I expect he will be there more than once and I can’t predict when he will be hurt. I just did it to kind of project what his career stats would be.
by Matt Garrioch on Mar 16, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically ditto
You have not given any idea what your methodology is, and people will wonder. Even if you cannot give a detailed glimpse into your black box, you need to at least enumerate the philosophy you adhered to in creating the projections. For example, how did you come up with 29 HR, that’s quite a leap, particularly since he will be hitting in a tough ballpark that makes it hard for hitters to see the ball, leading to elevated strikeout rates there as well, and thus less HR since there are less BIP.
And most people consider R and RBI projections to be too variable, based on where he hits in the lineup and who hits before and behind him, that it is not a very useful stat to be projecting. And that’s for MLB projections, it is worth even less for prospects. Projections of these stats are useful only to fantasy players (not that there’s anything wrong with that) for MLB players they might draft or prospects expected to contribute that season.
For prospects, the main projection people are interested in is how they will do in the majors eventually. It’s nice that you think he’s going to hit relatively well in Advanced A, in terms of overall numbers, but is that good in context of the league, in context with other 18 year olds in Advanced A (which is a bit of a leading question since there are not many, if any) in the past, etc. And what does that mean for his future projection as a major leaguer?
I think those are the things people will be looking for from a blog that focuses on prospects. In terms of what to project, if you can give a full batting line, that would be better than the limited set of data you provided on your blog. Then, us detailed oriented people can see if all the numbers foot into the OBP/SLG you project.
You should also discuss what this means for the projection of the player. The key numbers are usually K-rate, BB-rate and BB/K for hitters. I would also monitor BABIP, HR/FB, and GB/LD/FB splits. For pitchers, it’s also the same type of stats, K-rate, BB-rate and K/BB generally, GB/LD/FB splits too, plus I would monitor BABIP, though most pitchers don’t have much control over this, there are some who can, and you want to be on the lookout for those as well.
Basically, if you can project the stats that Minor League Splits provide, then you would make people happy with the stats you are projecting. Whether they believe in your methodology, though, is another matter.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 16, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
RBI
I like minor league RBI because it shows that you can hit in the clutch. If you have 18 HR and 45 RBI on a team with more that one good player, something is wrong.
Honestly, I posted this quickly just to see if anyone cared about what I would post and you can see from the times inbetween posts, I did not spend hours typing them up. I did the bare minimum for details, but I will expound in future posts.
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by Matt Garrioch on Mar 17, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess you are not a hardline saber
RBI is considered junk data because circumstances are wildly different from player to player, you can take the same player and in one lineup, he can hit 18 HR and get 45 RBI, and on another, he could get 90 RBI.
If you are going for clutch, most studies have not found much evidence of clutchiness, though I think Tango recently found something at his The Book website.
I personally believe that clutch players do exist, but mainly in terms of producing their career norm when things get tough vs. those who freeze up when times are tough. That’s because I was one of those who froze up (I impressed my team captain in practice, but when I got into a real game, my throws flew WAY over the 1B head….).
And I like the RBI stat, but understand why people denigrate it. I think your stance, that it’s too low, is a better use of the RBI stat, but that the normal usage of bigger is better, is not.
No need to be defensive, I did notice the times between your posts, but you asked for our opinions and we gave it. Take it or leave it, but you did ask for our opinions.
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 18, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
clutch
is like believing in UFOs, bigfoot, etc.
by richieabernathy on Mar 18, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why do people believe Michael Jordan is clutch?
Or Tiger? Not everyone performs well under pressure.
Anyway, I think most clutch studies looked for the wrong sign, it is not just those who rise up and do better, it is also those who can rise up and perform the way they can perform. They should have been searching for unclutchiness, I think, looking for people who can’t do it in the limelight, the Greg Normans of the world.
Here is what Tango recently said on THT on clutch: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-color-of-clutch/
Here is his conclusion for those who don’t want to read at link:
Let’s let this clutch debate end today (please?), and simply agree that: a) yes, clutch exists, b) yes, fans can perceive clutch players, but c) the impact of clutch players is limited to less than the platoon advantage.
Adoptive parental unit of Kevin " 2007's Most Spectacular Pitcher" Pucetas.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh
The 2008 league leaders in RBI -
IL: Brad Eldred
PCL: Joe Koshansky
EL: Luis Montanez
SL: Matt Gamel
TL: Tommy Everridge
No correlation. No causal relationship exists. RBIs only reflect opportunities given. Its a bad stat. Typically the best hitters get the most opportunities in the majors. It is less clear in the minors. It would be a huge mistake to assume RBI’s reflect talent in the minor leagues. Dont do it.
hey obsessive..
I’m sorry if I came off defensive. I wasn’t. I really do want any constructive criticism anyone can throw at me, and yours was constructive. Thanks.
http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/
by Matt Garrioch on Mar 18, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Clutch may not exist,
Maybe it is just different degrees of choking that exists.
There are so many guys who perform better under pressure than others, I can’t accept that there isn’t clutch.
RBI is a leading stat but when was the last time a poor hitter had a lot of RBI?
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by Matt Garrioch on Mar 18, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Guillen
is always a pretty good example of a bad hitter who racks up RBI. Mike Jacobs in 2008 is another.
Eh
With those numbers, I would say Villalona would be around #35, a 10 position drop. He would have shown good power, but bad discipline, so it would be a minor set-back. I don’t see numbers like that for Villalona anyhow, and I don’t know if that is where he will play (high A, I heard rumors that the Giants start him in low A, but I may be wrong).
Also, POST your top-2000 prospects! haha.
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I will post more..
the list is a mess when I cut and paste. I’ll have to type them all in, so I haven’t been real excited about doing it. But you may have motivated me to post more..
by Matt Garrioch on Mar 16, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He's already been announced for San Jose and Advanced A-ball
It’s an all-prospect team, all of the team’s top prospects will be there, except for those with major league experience, Ishikawa, Romo, Matos, Hinshaw, and for Rafael Rodriguez, their latest 16 year old wunderkind, oh and Henry Sosa.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Mar 16, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh that's right
I remember reading that now. Thanks for the clear up.
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All 2325 are posted...
There are some mistakes. I just noticed Matt Bush was not in the 2000’s…my bad. Let me know if there is anyone major that I missed. Thanks
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2325, just wow
I would struggle to name 2325 players let alone remember remotely enough about them to rank them.
On a side note, your Brett Wallace projection is very optimistic. A .300 BA, approximately 2500 hits, and 300 HR from a 1B/3B/LF sounds very similar to Chipper Jones and are HOF numbers. In the future, it would be helpful if you used ISO and OBP in your projection for the stat-heads out there. OBP and K/BB are very relevant in telling the value of a player. XBH totals are useful, but a player’s ISO is much more useful in telling power hitting ability than 2B, 3B, and HR totals.
by tdot mariner fan on Mar 16, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting comp
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by OldProspects on Mar 17, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that comp.
I could see that.
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by Matt Garrioch on Mar 17, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wallace
Isn’t Wallace already pretty much guaranteed more than what you’re saying he’ll get in ‘09, considering that he’s replacing Glaus for the first few weeks/month of the season?
Garrioch
Hey man, you have a spreadsheet form of your list? I could really put it to good use.
If not, thanks anyways.
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How do you even decide to do a career projection on a player? I know it’s fun to project, but you’re going to project Wallace into the 2025 season?!
Exactly..
..It’s fun. Probably way off, who knows. But it’s fun. That’s why I’m doing it. I’m not a pro, I’m not John Sickels or Jim Callis, just a guy who wants to throw out a new view on some guys and dig up a few overlooked players.
http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/
by Matt Garrioch on Mar 17, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the start of my project
I did compile my information from various sources. Don’t we all. In the next year, I plan on writing information on some of these and post it here. Maybe as I go, maybe next fall/winter.
- 375 hit .370 AVG, .508 SLG in AA adn will be a solid big leaguer.
- got a $925,000 signing bonus out of high school.
- has a low 90’s FB, a plus curveball and a change that may be above average.
- had a 6.63 ERA in HiA this season and a .157 BA in 2007 in A ball as a 2B. His name starts with an A.
http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/
oops
I did compile my information from various sources. Don’t we all. In the next year, I plan on writing information on some of these and post it here. Maybe as I go, maybe next fall/winter.
1. # 375 hit .370 AVG, .508 SLG in AA adn will be a solid big leaguer.
2. #412 got a $925,000 signing bonus out of high school.
3. #567 has a low 90’s FB, a plus curveball and a change that may be above average.
4. #2294 had a 6.63 ERA in HiA this season and a .157 BA in 2007 in A ball as a 2B. His name starts with an A.
http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/
1. the 23 y.o. player you have as the 375th best prospect didn’t do that at AA, but A+, and has never hit more than 2HR’s in any season, or an SLG over .400 at any level before that or since. He’s a bad glove 2B that may not be able to play the position at the MLB level. Why exactly is he rated 1700 plus slots higher than #‘s 2088 or 2093, for instance?
2. Okay, this just shows that you don’t understand the way signing bonuses work. Two sport players will always get higher than normal bonuses because they are perceived to have more leverage, more competition for their athletic skills. Sometimes it works out for clubs (see Dexter Fowler) sometimes it doesn’t . Middlebrooks right now seems more of the latter than the former, but it’s still too early to call one way or the other with him. At any rate, there’s no reason to rate him that much higher than #1117.
A little interlude here. You do realize that #1320 and #1462 are the same person, don’t you? Why is the same guy rated 142 slots behind himself?
3. Fine. I’d actually rate this guy higher than you have him, certainly higher than the two guys you’ve brought up as #375 and #412.
4. Look at the guy you have five slots ahead of him. Notwithstanding the fact that #2289 is no longer eligible because he’s an actual and bona fide major league player who’s been on San Diego’s roster too many days, why in the world is he even the same range as a scrub unlikely to pitch past AA? You’re saying you value A level pitchers with a 6.63 ERA as much as you do MLB pitchers. This is not something to be bragging about.

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