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Prospect Retro: Dan Haren

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Prospect Retro: Dan Haren

Dan Haren was drafted in the second round in 2001, by the Cardinals out of Pepperdine University. Some teams considered him as a late first-rounder, but the '01 class was considered rich in pitching and Haren fell to the second round, 72nd overall. He had been very successful at Pepperdine, going 11-3, 2.22 with a 97/31 K/BB in 130 innings on the season. A big guy at 6-5, 220, he worked in the 90-92 range in college but would occasionally get up to 94-95, also showing a good splitter, curveball, and changeup. He continued to pitch well in the New York-Penn League after signing, posting a 3.10 ERA with a 57/8 K/BB ratio in 52 innings, demonstrating excellent command. I gave him a Grade B- pending some higher-level data, writing that he "doesn't have the ceiling of some guys," but would likely advance rapidly through the system. I thought he'd be a command-oriented inning-eater type.

Haren split 2002 between Peoria in the Midwest League (7-3, 1.95 with a 89/12 K/BB in 102 innings) and Potomac in the Carolina League (3-6, 3.62 with a 82/19 K/BB in 92 innings), throwing 194 innings on the season. He demonstrated excellent command as shown by the K/BB, but his velocity was down into the 88-92 range for most of the season. I wrote that Haren was "a good solid prospect, probably not a future ace, but somebody who will be a sound rotation starter if he stays healthy" and gave him a Grade B in the 2003 book.

2003 saw Haren off to a brilliant start at Double-A Tennessee, going 6-0, 0.82 with a 49/6 K/BB in 55 innings. He was less effective, though still very efficient, in Triple-A with a 4.93 ERA but a 35/8 K/BB in 46 innings. Pushed into major league action, he went 3-7, 5.08 with a 43/22 K/BB in 73 innings for the Cardinals, allowing 84 hits. The general consensus was that he had been rushed, but that he at least threw some strikes. Most people still viewed him as an inning-eater type.

Haren split 2004 between Triple-A Memphis (11-4, 4.15 with a 150/33 K/BB in 128 innings, but 136 hits allowed) and St. Louis (4.50 ERA, 32/17 K/BB in 46 innings, 45 hits). His second go-around the majors was more impressive, and he posted a 1.17 ERA with the Cardinals that September. However, the Cards opted to go the veteran route for their rotation in 2005, trading Haren with Kiko Calero and Daric Barton to Oakland for Mark Mulder in December.

As you know, Haren has pitched great the last four years. His strikeout rate continues to creep upward (6.8 K/9 in '05, followed by 7.1, 7.8, and 8.6) with concurrent improvements in his control. While Haren isn't the most overpowering pitcher around in terms of pure velocity, his combination of fastball command with his cutter, slider, curve, and changeup gives him a complete arsenal that he knows how to use. He's been remarkably durable.

Looking for comparable pitchers to Haren, Sim Scores give us the following names through age 27: Scott Sanderson, John Lackey, Roy Halladay, Pete Harnisch, Kevin Millwood, Ben Sheets. Joey Hamilton, Jack Morris, Bruce Kison, Larry Christianson

All of those guys were good pitchers, though several lacked durability beyond this age.

PECOTA comps are also interesting: Gaylord Perry, Shane Reynolds, Frank Sullivan, Aaron Harang, Turk Farrell, Fergie Jenkins, Mike Mussina, Jack Morris, Pete Vukovich,Erik Hanson., Kevin Millwood, John Lackey, Frank Viola,  Larry Dierker, Burt Hooton,Jack McDowell, Dennis Leonard, Don Wilson, John Matlack.

Again, all of those guys were good, even great, pitchers. Hall of Famers Perry and Jenkins were remarkably durable, with borderline candidates Mussina and Morris also having very long careers. A lot of the others hit the wall around age 30.

Which way will Haren break? I don't pretend to know. Historically the odds are against him, but there's no evidence in the current numbers of any imminent breakdown. If he lasts long enough, as long as Mussina or Morris, he would be a borderline Hall type. You can say that about a lot of successful pitchers, of course. . .few are able to show that kind of durability.

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Always my favorite pitcher

I did like the Mulder deal at the time, because of his track record and “In Walt We Trust.” But it was hard to watch Haren and that splitter go, he just looked like a guy the
Cardinals should hang on to. A lot of people thought he would be the next Bud Smith, but Smith didn’t have that kind of stuff and threw a lot of pitches per start.

In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.

"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.

"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.

"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG

by mateodh on Mar 16, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me of

Ian Kennedy, although I would say Kennedy’s minor league numbers are even better. I still think people have given up on him way too soon. Maybe he needs a trade to a low-pressure, low-expectation team like Oakland. Somewhere he can work his kinks out like Haren did.

by cookiedabookie on Mar 16, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy

needs a trade to the National League

by richieabernathy on Mar 16, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Mulder trade

will haunt the Cards for a long time.

by Toddius on Mar 16, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kind of disagree

It was a bad trade, yes, and the Cardinals haven’t got much in return because of injuries. But I think the overall impact on the Cardinals was not that great. Sure, Haren would be great to have in their rotation but it’s hard to complain considering that the Cardinals traded him in the 2005 offeseaon and then went out and promptly won the 2006 World Series.

Calero isn’t even on a 40-man roster anymore and Daric Barton was awful in 2008 (.226/.327/.348).

Waiting for April.

by DC Royal on Mar 16, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Barton--He's still just 23

And he’s been one of the best prospects in the game for a while, so I wouldn’t give up on him yet.

But I tend to agree with you on the trade. Mulder was a very, very solid pitcher. Maybe not an ace, but definitely in the upper tier in terms of number twos. So they gave up one excellent prospect in Barton, an innings-eater in Haren, and a good but not great reliever in Calero. It sounds to me like an even trade at the time.

Neither the Cardinals nor the A’s knew that Mulder would break down after one year, and Haren would continue to improve into what he is today.

by NateHST on Mar 16, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not giving up on Barton yet

But he may need a change of scenery – I don’t see where he fits in Oakland’s lineup.

Waiting for April.

by DC Royal on Mar 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see...

where he fits into Sacramento’s line-up.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Mar 16, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

But let’s hope he gets handled better. Huber could have been a solid starter if he hadn’t been blocked by the likes of Ross Gload.

Also, I think Barton’s patience will provide him more opportunities than Huber’s power.

by Fanon on Mar 16, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Haren.

09 is the first time I’m seeing him getting the pub he deserves

by daveh33 on Mar 16, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

time line

mulder was an all star midseason
horrible 2nd half, tried to pitch through struggles, imo was one of the reasons they missed the playoffs down the stretch
traded for haren/barton/calero
haren was seen as back rotation filler and less regarded than blanton/meyer
barton top 25 type prospect
calero solid reliever for several yrs, but durability issues
haren became a workhorse fringe ace/top tier #2 to a very affordable contract
haren traded to AZ, and hasnt disappointed, pitched great…a top 10-15 SP in mlb imo
A’s got eveland/smith/cunningham/carter/anderson/gonzalez
A’s used gonzalez/smith to get at least 1 season of holliday
now it may come full circle and mulder may sign a minor league deal w/ A;s depending on his upcoming audition

review
haren/street for…

1 yr of holliday (may end up draft picks or deadline tradebait)
barton
cunningham/carter both around BA top 55 for 09
anderson #7 overall BA 2009
eveland backrotation filler

by Asfan4ever723 on Mar 16, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haren not well regarded

Not entirely true. People who actually looked at his stats from Triple-A the year previous tended to like him, as he had great strikeout numbers and a solid ERA of 4.15 (solid by PCL standards) as a 23 year old. Those are numbers to watch for.

by Fanon on Mar 16, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll attest this much

Haren’s strikeout numbers were better than Blanton’s both at AAA & in MLB in 2003-4, and, FWIW, ERA was lower, too. The strikeout numbers and that he hung in well when brought up before expected in 2003 & early 2004 won him regard at least among St Louis fans. It’s true, though, that more were gnashing teeth over the loss of Daric Barton than of Haren, and I, for one, never would have guessed that his strikeouts would trend up as they did.

by random on Mar 18, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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