Working on the White Sox
by John Sickels on Dec 8, 2009 2:11 PM EST
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Oh, this is a THIN system. I've got 37 names right now and even that's pushing it. Full list after the jump.
Kyle Bellamy RHP
Ryan Buch RHP
Nick Ciolli OF
Justin Collop RHP
Jordan Danks OF
John Ely RHP
Jon Gilmore 3B
Nevin Griffith RHP
David Holmberg LHP
Dan Hudson RHP
Brandon Hynick RHP
Gregory Infante RHP
Nathan Jones RHP
John Link RHP
Jose Martinez OF
Jared Mitchell OF
Brent Morel 3B
Jhonny Nunez RHP
Josh Phegley C
Dan Remenowsky RHP
Sergio Santos RHP
Joe Serafin LHP
John Shelby III OF
Brady Shoemaker OF
Taylor Thompson RHP
Trayce Thompson OF
Carlos Torres RHP
Jake Wilson RHP
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To consider near the bottom of the list
Seth Loman, Maurice Stefan Gartrell if he’s not too old, Lucas Harrell, Stephen Sauer, Jacob Rasner.
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Flowers
where the heck does he play? Is he a DH? Is he a 1B trapped in a C body? will his bat play as a DH?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Dec 9, 2009 7:14 AM EST reply actions
all reports indicate his defense has improved
i doubt it’d play at dh or more than average at 1b. but that may be irrelevant at this point.
by Craig Grebeck on Dec 9, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
I think he spends a couple years at C
before ultimately being moved off position to 1B. Although, considering that both Konerko and AJ are FA after 2010, they might just start Flowers at 1B, depending on what they do with Viciedo
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
A 1B trapped in a C body
is a terrifying image if you really think about it
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
his bat
I may be a homer on this but I think his bat would play anywhere. Am I being overly optimistic thinking 30 hrs .390 opb are in his future in the next couple of years?
Very, very optimistic if you ask me
He has a big, “stiff” swing with lots of holes in it. He has a good, patient approach that works excellent in the minors, but he’s not going to be able to take those rates with him to the majors. Even then, he’s very patient, but he strikes out a ton. BP’s write up had his perfect world projection as a “low batting average catcher” who could hit “20 home runs.”
I think a lot of people have unreasonable expectations of Flowers’ bat, probably from just looking at his minor league numbers, untranslated and in a vacuum devoid of scouting reports. On the upside, the chances of him staying at catcher keep getting better all the time.
.390 and 30 HR in the next couple of years would make him one of the best hitters in the league.
That may be a bit overly optimistic.
weak system due trades n promotions....
System is poor because of draft strategy (they LOVE tools over skills) & it doesnt always pan out.Also William’s trades thin out the system even further eg loss of Richard,Poreda & Carter just in the Peavy deal.
Although there is some hope as they still have Danks (for now LOL),Flowers & Viciedo….but wow the lack of “arms” is scary to say the least.
Holmberg or Hudson have the best upside but when John is considering ex-SS Santos to be included as a top 20/30 guy you know the overall depth is light.
Some names to consider include Ty Kuhn,Loman,Gimore & Ps Tyson Corley,Santeliz
could you explain what you mean by "they LOVE tools over skills"?
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
Tools and skills are different things.
Tools are the raw talent indicators and skills are how well you apply those tools to real baseball. I agree with that statement that they love tools over skills, and that’s evident with Jared Mitchell and Trayce Thompson.
I understand the difference but disagree with that being the reason for a weak system.
In fact, I believe the opposite is true. Before Buddy Bell took over 2 years ago, the sox were drafting “safe” prospects with low ceilings, primarily from the college ranks. Kenny Williams and Bell have changed that philosophy and are targeting some high school kids and college prospects with high upside and “tools.” The last two drafts have been very good and although the system is still weak and thin, it is due more to past philosophy than present.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
great scout...
but he takes direction from those in charge above him. Williams and Bell gave him new direction beginning in 2008 and we are starting to see the results.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
Laumann wasn't in charge of the draft from 2004 to 2007.
He got new direction, but he’s also not at fault for drafting philosophy in those drafts. His drafts from 2001 to 2003 were solid. Chris Young, Jeremy Reed, Josh Rupe, Chris Getz, Sean Tracey, Brandon McCarthy, Boone Logan, Jay Marshall, Brian Anderson, Ryan Sweeney.
To put out that many major leaguers is very solid.
Not many scouting directors can point to this many guys from just 3 drafts.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 10, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not many scouting directors would want to point to those guys and take credit for them.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
Multiple guys here netted quality players through trades.
That’s a huge part of what a scouting director does.
You mean like bringing in Jake Peavy and thinning out the talent?
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
You're the one that said this was "a sad system" in another thread.
Then you point out that a huge part of a scouting department’s job is to develop players and use them to acquire quality players. It’s no secret that Kenny Williams likes to deal players. The philosophy he has used is to trade prospects for proven talent and he has had some success doing so. Given this philosophy, the sox will not likely have a deep pool of talent in the minor leagues but that doesn’t mean it’s a “sad system”.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
You're confusing scouting for player development.
The scouting department has nothing to do with trades other than to scout potential targets in return. The amateur scouting director has nothing to do with it at all. Laumann’s job is to get players in the system that either make an impact for the White Sox or are potential trade chips. He’s succeeded on both accounts.
by Andy Seiler on Dec 10, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nevermind.
You don’t get it.
I’m talking about the sox farm system in it’s entirety. The one you called sad. You’re just defending your BFF Laumann.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
first of all, getz wasn't signed then.
second, “solid” means good. if you favor quantity, i guess that is very solid. i take a different view of players who are replacement level or worse.
that isn't what you said in the post i responded to.
putting out that many major leaguers is not “very solid”.
i'd have said the problem was more conservative drafting
i.e. mcculloch and broadway
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
They're not conservative drafters.
Their budget may be conservative, but there’s a difference between a conservative budget and conservative drafting. Jared Mitchell’s not a conservative pick, and neither is a Trayce Thompson or David Holmberg.
the past two drafts have been different
i was referring to the times before kenny williams took active control of the draft (starting with the poreda pick). the drafts since then have been fantastic in my eyes.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Morel
I really like Morel to end up as a decent regular.
Fernando Hernandez
is a free agent I believe
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