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by John Sickels on Dec 7, 2009 2:33 PM EST
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edwin jackson is close to being traded..
Guesses on where is he gonna end up..
According to MLBTR
it’s pretty much guaranteed Detroit is moving him..
Then again, that’s still only a rumor.
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by Kenan and Kel on Dec 7, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I hope the orioles trade Luke Scott
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Dec 7, 2009 3:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Why?
Nice hitter, can help cover DH and 1B, and even some LF, while the young hitters acclimate.
They could then DH Reimold
Which would allow Pie to play LF and he plays excellent defense.
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Dec 7, 2009 4:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Granderson to the Red Sox!!!
No, I haven’t even heard a rumor that states that, but it makes complete sense to me. Save money on Bay/Holliday and move Ellsbury into left. An OF of Ellsbury, Granderson, Drew covers a lot of ground! Of course, it depends on what DET wants for him.
OK.. .got a hypothetical
Do you trade Matsuz straight up for Miguel Cabrera?
Yes or No and preferably why….
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no no no
Tyler Matzek is an exciting young arm. He has the potential to be an ace. Miguel Cabrera is one hell of a bat, but his contract is average for the type of player he is. In Major League Baseball, Cabrera’s trade value should be pretty average.
Basically, average players on great contracts can sometimes be more valuable than great players on average contracts, depending on the situation, and with most of free agency still in front of them, it’s better for the Rockies to keep their cash and their prospect (and either use their cash for somebody else or keep it in case the economy returns to the crapper) than trade their prospect and use their cash to pay a guy they traded for.
Although I don’t really like the model (and neither does my computer, since my computer pretty much hates Excel files) this is a good introduction to the idea:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/15/950094/saber-friendly-blogging-101-trade
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He said Matusz not Matzek
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Dec 7, 2009 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m assuming these no’s are for the Orioles perspective. I’d do it just to trade MC for more than one piece. If that’s a cop-out then hmmm… I’m a huge O’s fan, huge Matusz fan, I’d lean towards no. Just because if Matusz is as good as I think he’ll be then that money saved can bring in a MC caliber player or two Lackey types or a Holliday type and another good player etc.
I’d general, I’d be more than willing to take on that contract if I’m the O’s.
Yeah I am an Orioles fan and I say no
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Dec 7, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
wow!
Don’t get me wrong, I love Matusz and think he’ll be an excellent SP, but Miggy’s one of the best hitters in baseball. He’s a 1B, so even though he’s by no means a gold glover, he’s only a 1B, which is generally where you stash your good hitters who can’t play the field. How can you turn this down? Do the O’s even have a 1B?
You definitely do
Im not a huge Miggy fan, and the drinking incident really bothered me, but you’re talking about a guy who brings ~40 runs a year with his bat. You take that and run.
I love Matusz. More than most people on this site (where he is strangely underrated because of the lack of a top notch fastball. People are worried about what he’s NOT rather than looking at all the good things he IS). BUT if you get the chance to move a guy like that straight up for one of the best hitters in the game you do it. 100% McPhail would do it. Hell, if he wanted, he could trade Matusz for Miggy, then turn around and trade Miggy for a guy equivalent to Matusz plus a lot more! Think about it!
You absolutely do that deal all day long. Yes, Miggy has his worts, and yes he is paid a lot. You still do it. He’s a 5+ win player every year. Even forgetting the attrition rate of young pitchers, its very hard for me to project Matusz as a consistent 5 win pitcher. There were ten pitchers with 6 or more WAR in 2009 and only 7 with more than 5.5 in 2008 and 2009, respectively. Like I said, I love Matusz, but simple odds here, much more likely Cabrera is worth 5-6+ wins each year like he’s been pretty much every year – much more likely than Matusz being one of the top 7 pitchers in baseball every year.
You absolutely do that deal all day long – AND no way do the Tigers take Matusz straight up – AND not only that, but 10 friggin teams would be lined up with better bids.
AND
to bring up an argument from before the 09 season – is there still anyone who would actually take Miggy over Longoria? If so, you’re either nuts or don’t understand how to properly value baseball players and their contributions to their team.
2010 WAR
Cabrera: 5.4
Longoria: 7.2
2009 WAR
Cabrera: 5.2
Longoria: 7.2
I really can’t believe we had that discussion on here, frankly.
The Granderson blockbuster
Surprisingly minimal discussion on here about it so far.
My quick thoughts -
Diamondbacks – I don’t get why they are doing this deal. I think Scherzer’s better (and cheaper) than Edwin Jackson. For a team with recent financial problems, and a team that’s rebuilding, I don’t get it. Kennedy’s nice … but he’s an end of the rotation arm, in my opinion, and I think many systems have strike throwing, end of the rotation type guys with average stuff. The only thing I can think of is that the D-backs are worried about Scherzer’s mechanics. Even then, to move him this offseason? Add in that they are supposedly tossing in Schlereth?
Tigers – After the initial shock, it’s not a bad deal (although it looks like it’ll be Scherzer/A.Jackson/one lefty). I think Austin Jackson is a decent centerfielder, but of the top of my head, the reports don’t seem to suggest plus defensive ability (solid perhaps), and he’s not a middle or top of the order bat. That said, to net Scherzer is a solid move.
Yankees – I think this is highway robbery. An end of the rotation type in Kennedy (sure, he might have a fluke year or two that has him as a mid-rotation starter, but most projections seem to point to him as an end of the rotation type), AJax, and either Coke/Dunn for Granderson AND a player (Schlereth?). Sure, I’m disappointed the Cubs couldn’t land Granderson … but can someone explain how they Yankees are able to get away with this to me? I don’t get it. Sure seems like a steal for them.
ah, looks like I get the Schelereth part wrong
Schlereth to the Tigers, which makes the package a bit better for the Tigers. Still think Kennedy/AJax/Coke for Granderson is a steal for the Yankees.
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