BP Angels Top 15
by rdf8585 on Dec 4, 2009 12:14 PM EST
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Four-Star Prospects
1. Mike Trout, OF
2. Hank Conger, C
3. Jordan Walden, RHP
4. Trevor Reckling, LHP
5. Fabio Martinez, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
6. Garrett Richards, RHP
7. Peter Bourjos, CF
8. Randall Grichuk , LF
9. Tyler Skaggs, LHP
10. Jon Bachanov, RHP
11. Tyler Kehrer, LHPFour More:
12. Chris Pettit, OF: This hitting machine is limited to a corner athletically, and a lack of power hurts him there.
13. Tyler Chatwood, RHP: An undersized righty, he can miss bats with plus velocity, but his secondary stuff and command need work.
14. Alex Amarista, 2B: The tiny Venezuelan won the Midwest League batting title, but he has questionable upside.
15. Mark Trumbo, 1B: His power dropped off in Double-A; as first-base prospect, he has to mash.
John Sickels' Top 15
1) Mike Trout, OF, Grade B+: On overall upside potential, has to rank number one but although I'd love additional performance data about his power development. A bit of a risk, but the upside is outstanding.
2) Hank Conger, C, Grade B+: I think a full breakout is possible in 2010. I like the bat, the glove is coming along, just hope he stays healthy.
3) Trevor Reckling, LHP, Grade B+: Needs to lower his walk rate, but I liked him a lot last year and he performed well as one of the youngest pitchers in Double-A.
4) Garrett Richards, RHP, Grade B: First-class stuff and command was much better in pro ball than in college ball.
5) Peter Bourjos, OF, Grade B-: Borderline B. Speed goes nicely with improved plate discipline.
6) Fabio Martinez, RHP, Grade B-: Great stuff with high strikeout rate, needs to lower walks and prove himself at higher levels.
7) Tyler Skaggs, LHP, Grade B- due to lack of experience, but supremely projectable.
8) Jordan Walden, RHP, Grade B-: tough to rank and grade due to '09 injury problems. If healthy he's a personal favorite, and dominated at times in the Texas League before getting hurt.
9) Jon Bachanov, RHP, Grade B-: Tommy John survivor drew raves in the Arizona Rookie League, showing sharp command of plus stuff. Just needs more experience.
10) Chris Pettit, OF, Grade B-: I think he can be a solid player but not a star.
11) Randal Grichuk, OF, Grade B-: borderline C+. Very strong power potential, but needs to make a lot of improvements with his plate discipline.
12) Trevor Bell, RHP, Grade C+: Forgotten prospect re-established himself in 2009. Does not have the upside of the other Grade C+s, but he's closer to being able to help. Didn't do great in the majors but deserves more chances.
13) Ryan Chaffee, RHP, Grade C+: High strikeout rate with very high GO/AO ratio. Needs to lower walks, big sleeper for '10.
14) Tyler Chatwood, RHP, Grade C+: Similar to Chaffee, gets strikeouts and grounders although not quite as extreme, also a sleeper if he can throw more strikes.
15) Jean Segura, 2B, Grade C+: Very young, fast, hit well in the Pioneer League, but has problems with injuries.
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I'm quite positive I like John's list more
However, Garrett Richards is
on both lists so therefore they’re equal – just kidding
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 4, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions
Conger
highly thought of by both. I wouldn’t be surprised if other lists don’t rank him quite so highly as either the bat or the glove need to come around a pretty good amount for him to have a clear path to a major league starting job.
KG wasnt all that complementary in his breakdown, actually.
He did note Conger’s defense improved and he shortened his throwing motion, but he also said:
The biggest hope is that Conger can develop into at least an average backstop, as he’s currently still below average defensively, especially in his lateral movement. He is a well below-average runner.
He has to stay behind the plate to get to the big leagues
well
When you quote the “bad” section, it tends to not be complimentary. The “good” quote:
He also made great strides behind the plate, showing improved receiving skills while shortening his throwing mechanics.
The sense is that he’s much improved, has come a long way in a short time (what with the injuries), but he’s still not major league ready back there.
Yeah
That’s what I said:
He did note Conger’s defense improved and he shortened his throwing motion…
The sense is that he’s much improved, has come a long way in a short time (what with the injuries), but he’s still not major league ready back there.
Is this implying that you still think he can be some kind of plus defender back there?
B/c that is not at all what KG was saying. He says specifically that the “hope is that Conger can develop into at least an average backstop” – the implication being that is far from certain. He also says of his perfect world projection that “Conger could be an offensive-oriented catcher…” and again, that “He has to stay behind the plate to get to the big leagues.”
You claimed previously that Conger has the tools to be a good defensive catcher. That seems to be the opposite of what KG is saying here. He knocks his lateral movement and specifically states he’s still below average defensively despite the improvements.
Nowhere did I imply he would be a plus defender. Chillax. “Major league ready” does not equal “plus.”
If I ever said he’d be a “good defensive catcher” it was likely in the sense that of “solid major league catcher,” and in juxtaposition to the idea that his defense was akin to the Monteros of the world. Anything is possible, but I don’t think anyone is projecting him to be Brian Schneider back there, and that’s certainly not my position.
Walden..
Definitely think KG is closer to the mark on Walden than was Sickels’ grade. Guy was dominant when healthy, has a good history, and the injuries don’t seem like long term issues.
I agree
His injury history and lack of secondary stuff does bother me a bit, but lets face facts – in this system his ceiling should still keep him pretty high on the list.
He does have a good breaking ball...
He just doesn’t have a particularly good changeup. If all else fails, he’d be a helluva bullpen arm.
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