Braves interested in Uggla
by FishHead on Dec 27, 2009 9:46 PM EST
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The Braves are itnerested in trading for Uggla and moving him to LF. Would Teheran and Delgado get it done? Is that too much?
Also is Carlos Perez in the same league as Delgado, Teheran, and Vizcaino?
The marlins say they must be overwhelmed by a division rival but if you can gain two good pitching prospects I say you do it
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Frank Wren would have to be on crack to offer both Teheran and Delgado for Uggla.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
The Javy trade wasn't that bad though.
He got a high-end prospect (Vizcaino), an interesting relief prospect, and an undervalued outfielder who is still fairly young. Also, $9 million in payroll relief. Sure, I wish he could have gotten more, but it’s not like it was a horrible trade.
by blindsided789 on Dec 28, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Have you seen what he got for Edgar Renteria?
That trade was classic. [I had to do it].
And agree that the Javy trade wasn’t necessarily “bad.” He got MUCH more for Javy than the Phillies got for Cliff Lee, who is better and cheaper, for one.
It wasn’t great, but Javy’s NTC strictly limited his market after Lackey, Lee, and Halladay found new homes.
"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West
Blicks
Can you rank the 5 of teheran vizcaino delgado perez and devall and tell me if the braves would give up the bottom 2?
I think most would have the bottom 2 of that 5
as perez and devall. not sure if the braves would give them up.
A writer for BA
ranked Vizcaino ahead of Teheran in a recent chat, for what its worth
by miraclemets on Dec 27, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
The difference between the two is razor thin
I give the slight edge to Teheran, but there’s not a lot separating the two for me.
If I was Wren I'd offer
Randall Delgado
and JJ Hoover
and Kelly Johnson (oops, nevermind)
keep Julio Teheran..
I'd rather have Nick Punto playing 3B and Felipe Lopez playing 2B
than Punto playing 2B and Kouzy, Crede, DeRosa or Glaus playing 3B.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 27, 2009 10:41 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think Uggla’s worth both Delgado and Hoover. I could be wrong though. If I had to pick one of those two though I think I’d rather keep Delgado.
by blindsided789 on Dec 28, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
yes, you are wrong.
Perennial .800+ OPS and mult-time All Star second baseman is DEFINITELY worth two prospects in the lower minors, neither of whom even managed to eke their way into the Sally League top 20.
except
that uggla’s a defensive liability, going to earn way more money than he’s worth (glaus has much better career numbers with a lower career BA and will likely earn 1/4 of the salary), and he’s a salary dump….i’d offer bottom of the barrel….the marlins need to get rid of him…the braves still have many cheaper, better options out there in trade or free agency…so marlins accept a low offer now, or wait on moving him…that’d be my stance as frank wren, anyway…
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Dec 28, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I’d have to disagree…
In LF Uggla’s bat is pretty pedestrian especially given the price tag attached, and Martin Prado out-hit him in every slash stat last year. So why would the Braves want to give up even Randall Delgado for a couple years of Uggla?
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
iffy stance
Just because the Marlins need to toss Uggla’s salary does not mean he is not a valuable player. Uggla’s not a superstar, but his bat is a nice one to have just about anywhere defense aside. Troy Glaus isn’t as valuable as Uggla in part because (fairly or not) nobody expects the guy to stay healthy. It also wouldn’t be a surprise to see Uggla’s bat improve a bit as he gets away from playing middle infield.
I don’t think many teams would trade a premium prospect for Dan Uggla, but Delgado and Hoover aren’t premium prospects. Again, neither managed to make their league top 20. I don’t doubt that Delgado has solid upside, but this isn’t a hard decision.
mrkupe
is correct
If the Marlins agreed on the two names of Hoover, and R. Delgado I don’t think the Braves would even think for a minute they’d be overpaying to bring in a hitter like Dan Uggla, as long as he isn’t playing 2B forever…
I'd rather have Nick Punto playing 3B and Felipe Lopez playing 2B
than Punto playing 2B and Kouzy, Crede, DeRosa or Glaus playing 3B.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 28, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Just because the players didn’t make someone’s top 20 list doesn’t mean they’re not good prospects. Delgado was pretty outstanding last year. 3.20 FIP, 10.23 K/9, manageable walk rate, all at 19. His numbers are skewed because he played on a pretty terrible team, defensively and offensively. I’m not sure I would trade him straight up for Uggla, because I think he’s got a pretty special arm.
I wouldn’t mind having Uggla, but he’s getting in his more expensive years and there’s no way to tell how he would adapt to the outfield. Would his bat be as valuable in the OF?
by blindsided789 on Dec 28, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm certainly not saying Randall Delgado is not a good prospect
becasue he is
and I like to think he is in the Braves or even in an elite farm system’s top 20….
When you have a plethera of arms, sometimes giving up guys that are 2-3 years or more away from reaching the big leagues for a Major League ready now Bat, and a good bat at that…
is well well worth it
especially in the Braves Situation, with the only bats that are any good are Chipper, McCann and McClouth + Maaaybe Escobar
I'd rather have Nick Punto playing 3B and Felipe Lopez playing 2B
than Punto playing 2B and Kouzy, Crede, DeRosa or Glaus playing 3B.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 28, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
#4 in Braves system according to Sickels
With a B grade, saying he is underrated. He’d be in pretty much any team’s top 10.
Uggla has a nice bat, but he’s probably going to give away some of those runs on defense, especially learning a new position. His bat also doesn’t play as well in the OF as it does at 2nd base. Just too many what-ifs to trade Delgado for him imo. Hoover and someone of similar value I wouldn’t mind trading though.
by blindsided789 on Dec 28, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
of course you wouldn't mind trading those guys
That’s because those guys are like a half-step up from organizational filler. They’re guys that the Braves would definitely never miss, because even in the best case scenario, they will not be players that are very difficult to replace.
Delgado is a solid prospect, but the reality is that even if you think he has a “special” arm, that is NOT the consensus opinion. He does have major league upside, but he’s also a very long way from realizing that upside. In order to obtain a major league player with a consistent track record of an .800+ OPS (a level of production that few teams wouldn’t find useful somewhere on the field), Randall Delgado is not a high price to pay.
:D
Perhaps he isn’t a “high price” to pay but it is too much for Uggla. His bat isn’t that special and his defense is atrocious. Even if they move him from 2B, I don’t think you can just assume his defense would be average in LF…plus you have to weigh in just how much of an improvement over Diaz is he really? Is the difference between Uggla and Diaz in LF really Delgado/Hoover?
I don’t think Braves fans would be all that upset giving up Delgado/Hoover for the right bat but Uggla is not it and it doesn’t make any sense.
+1
Delgado’s Rome (A-) team defense (and offense) was terrible…
"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host
by bwellnjonesco on Dec 29, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention he finished the year as one of the most dominating pitchers in the league. Look at what he did to finish the year:
His final ten starts: 55 IP, 48 H, 18 ER, 1 HR, 9 BB, 65 K, 2.95 ERA
Impressive stuff, especially the K/BB ratio. As a 19 yr old, I’d say his 2009 was a success, he had some bumps in the road, and his defense totally hung his season out to dry from an ERA standpoint, but that guy improved a lot as the year went on, and has some serious gas already to go with a very projectable frame (pretty much ideal at 6’3" 165 and already throwing in the mid-90’s with ease). His biggest question marks come with the off-speed stuff, and just from listening to his last few starts I could tell that had improved, just because he was actually throwing strikes with it.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
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