BA TAM Top 10
by matthewmafa on Dec 21, 2009 1:30 PM EST
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TOP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Desmond Jennings, of 2. Jeremy Hellickson, rhp 3. Wade Davis, rhp 4. Matt Moore, lhp 5. Reid Brignac, ss 6. Tim Beckham, ss 7. Alexander Colome, lhp 8. Jake McGee, lhp 9. Alex Torres, lhp 10. Nick Barnese, rhp
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Best Hitter for Average Desmond Jennings Best Power Hitter Matt Sweeney Best Strike-Zone Discipline Desmond Jennings Fastest Baserunner Fernando Perez Best Athlete Desmond Jennings Best Fastball Jeremy Hellickson Best Curveball Matt Moore Best Slider Alex Torres Best Changeup Jeremy Hellickson Best Control Jeremy Hellickson Best Defensive Catcher Nevin Ashley Best Defensive Infielder Reid Brignac Best Infield Arm Tim Beckham Best Defensive Outfielder Desmond Jennings Best Outfield Arm
Projected 2012 Lineup
Catcher Kelly Shoppach First Base Carlos Pena Second Base Reid Brignac Third Base Evan Longoria Shortstop Jason Bartlett Left Field Carl Crawford Center Field Desmond Jennings Right Field B.J. Upton Designated Hitter Ben Zobrist No. 1 Starter David Price No. 2 Starter James Shields No. 3 Starter Matt Garza No. 4 Starter Jeremy Hellickson No. 5 Starter Jeff Niemann Closer Todd Glaesmann
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If they don't have the best top 5 in baseball,
I’d bet they have the best top 15. Some of the lower level pitchers that just missed the list could have some serious helium. As a Rays fan, it’s great to have so many arms at sso many levels. Hopefully some of the position prospects taken last year step up this season.
Probably go Cleveland for top 15, too...
Then either Tampa or Boston. Texas still in the discussion as well.
I agree with alskor below
Texas or maybe Cleveland for the top 5. I also maybe like Baltimore more than I should. And I like Colorado right alongside this top 5 as well.
A better question though, might be whether anyone has a better #6 prospect than Tim Beckham.
Best top 5...
Not with Hellickson as the 2nd best prospect… (still very good though – one of the top 5 top 5’s, if you will). I do like Hellickson a lot – and Jennings might be the best prospect in the AL for me, but still… need a little higher ceiling from my #2 there. Brignac isnt exactly a world beater, either. Just a real solid player (underrated even). Very, very good top 5. Not the best.
Give me Cleveland instead – Santana, Chisenhall, White, Knapp, Rondon. Or definitely Texas with Smoak, Perez, Feliz, Scheppers, Font?(Who cares who is fifth).
How many top 100s for the Rays farm?
I’d say probably 5 to 6. Brignac gets underrated because his bigegst weakness turned into his biggest skill.
I would guess 6 for BP
I dont care what BA does. John probably won’t do 6 for them – but I still am holding out a lot of hope for Tim Beckham’s tools to turn around. I really liked him last year this time… not willing to significantly drop him yet.
Me either.
His batting numbers were actually pretty good for age/level/position. The biggest scare (to me at least) is his ballooning bottom. If he gets that under control and stays up the middle his bat will carry (I think at least).
I mean really...
Kind of being facetious here… but if you give me my choice of any 5 Rays prospects (or any team, really) or Smoak, Perez, Feliz, Scheppers (& no fifth prospect)… Im really inclined to go with the four Texas guys. Which is pretty messed up… am I off my rocker, there?
Neither am I
But… man, what upside if he is. If he isnt, he’s still projects as an elite reliever, no? Mostly my statement above is on my love for the top 3 Rangers guy. Lets look at it this way, though, take those 3 out and lets compare Scheppers to the rest. Scheppers’ upside might be higher than anybody else in the Rays system. Kind of crazy. Yes, lots of risk, but Im getting 3 top notch guys with him…
anybody else besides Jennings I meant
Scheppers upside.
Well, actually I meant besides Jennings/Hellickson/Davis, but I would expand it now to everyone buy Jennings.
The first 3 are definitely elite
Scheppers may have a higher ceiling than Moore, but I think his odds of hitting it are much longer (thanks to the shoulder issues). I think Scheppers is moved quickly as a reliever and may even contribute by the end of the year if the Rangers are in the AL West race.
Yeah
I mean Moore is a big projectable lefty thats averaged over 12 k/9 at every level. What more could you ask for?
Would you trade K's for command?
I don’t have Moore’s O-Swing%, but my guess is Sally League hitters helped a bit on the K rate given his high BB rate. While it was in line with prior season rates, that was rookie ball, where absurdly high K-rates are a bit more common. Does this sustain moving to A+, or perhaps more significantly, AA?
Almost seems to be somewhat following McGee’s career arc, prior to the latter’s injury bump, though I haven’t looked in detail at the batted ball type numbers.
Guess I lean towards Sickels’ feeling on lower level performance being less meaningful than upper, and there has to be some wait and see. Not like guys are jumping to the bigs from the Sally regularly. And I know no one’s suggesting that could happen. It’s about being some years away, and that things can change. Still, he looks to have a bright future at this point.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Dec 22, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
I like DJ more than Smoak, and the Hellickson/Perez battle is interesting. I really see Davis being ahead of Feliz though. I just don’t know if Feliz is ever a dominant starter.
BA has Davis...
as their closer in 2013. Feliz would be a better reliever and I think he will end up being a dominant starter. I like Smoak more than DJ because he has an elite bat. No one in the AL is even comparable to his bat. The Hellickson/Perez battle is not interesting either. Perez is clearly much better than Hellickson and I like Hellickson.
Smoak has an elite bat at 1B.
DJ has a a tantalyzing skillset. Elite defender in CF that is an on-base machine that steals a ton of bases. He also could end up hitting 20 HRs a year (COULD). Last year DJ was as good or better with the bat at the same levels at the same age.
Davis is penciled into the closer spot because of the glut of pitching, not because of concerns about him being a starter.
Jake McGee
I know the reasons not to put him higher, but I think I would’ve put him ahead of Colome personally. Actually, I think Barnese should be a tad higher, but that’s me.
His K-rate wasn't great after returning.
But he’s the same age as Colome pitching at a higher level. I’d slot him ahead of McGee at this point.
Whereas I wouldn't have McGee in my top 12 even
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Love lobstein, and it says something when he doesn’t make the top 10, but I’m also a big fan of Torres.
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by ProspectTube.com on Dec 21, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions
Davis
Anyone else find it interesting that Davis isn’t listed on the ’12 lineup? Would you rather have him or Neimann? I thought Davis had a higher upside.
Oops
See now he’s listed as the closer. I’d like to see him in the rotation, we’ll see.
yeah my bad on that one
for some reason if goes down and doesnt lineup with the others.. i tried to fix it but it isnt working
by matthewmafa on Dec 21, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I like the list for the most part
I agree with some that Lobstein should be in at 10 and I would drop Mcgee out and bump Torres and Barnese up. While not having much offensive talent in the system (outside Jennings, Brignac, and Beckham) the Rays have a ton of depth with their pitching and it is spread out throughout the system. This will allow the Rays to adjust the future offensively next season in the draft and through potential trades (Garza, Crawford, Upton). Also don’t forget the Rays also have Matt Joyce and Sean Rodriguez two guys who aren’t prospect eligible but still decent offensive guys and young.
Jennings, Hellickson, Davis, Brignac, Beckham, Moore > Your top 3
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