Working on the Orioles
by John Sickels on Dec 2, 2009 6:23 PM EST
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PrintNow working on the Baltimore Orioles for the book. Preliminary Prospect list after the jump.
Here is what I have so far. There are 40 guys here but several marginals who could be cut. What sleepers am I missing?
Matt Angle OF
Jake Arrieta RHP
Xavier Avery OF
David Baker RHP
Pedro Beato RHP
Josh Bell 3B
Ryan Berry RHP
Zach Britton LHP
Bobby Bundy RHP
Cameron Coffey RHP
Jacob Cowan RHP
Oliver Drake RHP
Pat Egan RHP
Brandon Erbe RHP
Pedro Florimon JR SS
Eddie Gamboa RHP
Mychal Givens SS
Randy Henry RHP
Tyler Henson 3B
Matt Hobgood RHP
L.J. Hoes 2B
Rhyne Hughes 1B
Steve Johnson RHP
Caleb Joseph C
Luis Lebron RHP
Brian Matusz LHP
Cole McCurry LHP
Kam Mickolio RHP
Michael Ohlman C
Troy Patton LHP
Josh Perrault RHP
Bill Rowell 3B
Ashur Tolliver LHP
Tyler Townsend 1B
Aaron Wirsch LHP
Rick Zagone LHP
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Tony Butler
Complete lost cause?
The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.
And sleepers no listed, Jesse Beal is a good one, he is highly projectable, has excellent pitchability, command and a plus curveball to go along with a changeup that is considered better than Matusz’s was at the time Matusz was 1st drafted as an HSer.
I also think Jarret Martin is a good one, he was rated as one of the top LHP HS prospects in 08, didn’t sign and was then redrafted by the O’s the next year. He seems to be a complete pitcher who is good at changing speeds, has 3 solid pitches, young…..
Yeah I like Jaret Martin
He has a good fastball, and knows how to work the zone
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Dec 2, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Jesse Beal?
I bet he and Evan Longoria have some stories to exchange.
I also look at WIlfrido Perez as a sleeper IMO, he will be a good relief arm for the O’s in the future. Ronnie Welty is a sleeper IMO, decent pop, strong arm, pretty good stick.
Agreed on Perez and Welty. Perez will probably see time in MLB this year and should be under consideration for Top 20. .
by Arthur Bryant on Dec 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Cameron Coffey's a lefty.
And Justin Dalles should probably be in there, as should the aforementioned Jarret Martin. Brenden Webb is the other draftee name that could get a mention, but that’s less of an issue than the others here.
So would you rank Webb ahead of Hoppy? In his tiny sample size last year, though he didn’t hit well, he certainly seemed to know a thing or 2 about taking a walk. If you like projection, Tim Webb I guess could be another sleeper. Miclat could also come back in 2010 strong after a horrid 09 season…..
Yeah, I like Webb over Hoppy.
My concern with Hoppy is that he’s never had to concentrate on baseball before. That might be a plus for some guys, such as Jared Mitchell, who have the elite athleticism and college pedigree, but for a guy like Hoppy, who’s from a cold-weather state and only has enough elite projection to get a football scholarship from Bucknell, that’s a drawback. He’s extremely raw and is much more likely to fail. Webb at least has a year of JUCO experience under his belt, and while he’ll have contact issues going up the chain, he does have that sort of decent eye that helps a bit.
Tyler Kolodny?
Back to back pretty dismal years, anyone have any hope for this kid to bounce back? He is still only 21, but strikes out a ton.
Brandon Cooney? Chorye Spoone?
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personally I think Pedro Beato could be cut
from making a top 20 or 25 list…..
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 3, 2009 1:28 AM EST reply actions
Rhyne Hughes?
isn’t he too old to be a prospect anymore? I guess he could follow in Nolan Riemold’s footsteps.
Jesse Beal and Garabez Rosa
…are the names that stand out to me as missing from the list. And David Baker is a surprise to me, but that’s all the more reason to be excited to hear what you have to say about him.
Beal
Needs to be on there. Not sure why he isn’t when non-prospects like Paco Figeroa and Josh Perrault are
I agree, the liow K rate raises a red flag, but he right now throws in the 89-90 range. His calling card here is his projection, since he has nearly all other aspects of a top pitching prospect other than a good/great fastball, when he gains this extra velo from filling out, he could be very good. Rather than most top pithcing prospects who learn to throw very hard first, then try to hone their command, Beal is doing it the opposite way. He has excellent command and pitchability with good secondary pitches. If he can get that fastball into the low 90’s, his K rate will rise and he will be a very good SP prospect. He also has GB tendencies as well.
Another arm drafted out of HS who had a similarly low K rate in his first stint in pro ball was Zach Britton…..As he filled out and gained some more velo, his K rate has steadily risen and he now is one of the better pitching prospects in the game….
Wirsch is IMO a Beal clone. They are very similar, but Beal has better command than Wirsch does at this time, though Wirsch’s BB/9 in the GCL this season makes him look a bit more wild than he is in actuality. I also wanna note that Beal is only 4 months older than Wirsch and pitched at a level higher than Wirsch…..
current
current list with some early grades
Matt Angle OF C
Jake Arrieta RHP B+
Xavier Avery OF C
David Baker RHP
Jesse Beal RHP
Pedro Beato RHP
Josh Bell 3B
Ryan Berry RHP
Zach Britton LHP
Bobby Bundy RHP
Cameron Coffey LHP
Brandon Cooney RHP
Jacob Cowan RHP
Oliver Drake RHP C
Pat Egan RHP
Brandon Erbe RHP
Pedro Florimon JR SS
Eddie Gamboa RHP
Mychal Givens SS
Randy Henry RHP
Tyler Henson 3B
Matt Hobgood RHP
L.J. Hoes 2B
Rhyne Hughes 1B
Steve Johnson RHP
Caleb Joseph C
Luis Lebron RHP C+
Jarret Martin LHP
Brian Matusz LHP
Cole McCurry LHP
Kam Mickolio RHP
Michael Ohlman C C
Troy Patton LHP
Bill Rowell OF C
Brandon Snyder 1B B-
Ashur Tolliver LHP C+
Tyler Townsend 1B C
Justin Turner 2B C
Brandon Waring 1B-3B C
Aaron Wirsch LHP C
Rick Zagone LHP C
Honestly...
I think it’s time Billy Rowell stops being named/listed anywhere until he does something. The stats say he’s bad, the scouting reports say it may be worse than the stats. His best feature is his age.
He was 23 in A+
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Dec 3, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Age relative to league is important, but it isn't everything
He raised his walk rate and cut his K% 10-percent. All while putting up an 874 OPS, not too shabby. And it’s not like these numbers were fueled by a lot of luck as his BABIP was almost 60 points lower this year than his career average.
Yeah thats true
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Dec 3, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
yeah i’m looking at that one. will probably go to C+.
by John Sickels on Dec 3, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing Britton is going to be a B+ too
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
The Carolina league favored pitchers heavily last season
Nobody who qualified for the batting title hit better than .300. If you look at Joseph’s and Waring’s numbers in that context, they’re both C+ prospects.
Even atheists believe in Matt Wieters
Wow...
Makes you wish Caleb Joseph wouldn’t have fallen from the .330 mark he held for a good part of the season. I didn’t realize the rest of the league hit so poorly. I wonder if he didn’t wear down at the end of the season if he would have been a B- guy….
Joseph?
Where is Joseph’s grade, I just see his position…
Tim Berry (aka the other Berry)
The O’s 50th round pick this year. Might be too early for him, but I remember reading a few good things.
He is very projectable, but I also think he was injured during the draft leading most to the thought that he would never sign, especially with heavy commitment. He will definitely be someone to watch, but even if he comes back by the beginning of next year, he will be eased in slowly. I don’t expect him to get much of a good rating yet, but I guess he is sleeper. I just wouldn’t expect him to burst out next year…
I personally wish we could have signed Garret Bush rather than some of the other ones that we ended up signing. I personally would have rather signed him than Ohlman for that same price, ditto with Givens.
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