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Philadelphia Phillies Top 20 Prospects for 2010

Philadelphia Phillies Top 20 Prospects for 2010

All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don't get too worried about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get beyond the Top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize. Complete reports on these and over 1,000 other players will be in the 2010 Baseball Prospect Book, now available for pre-order, shipping on February 2nd!

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1) Domonic Brown, OF, Grade B+: Borderline A-. I love this guy, but the tools aren't quite refined yet and they need to give him a solid consolidation season in 2010, start him off in Reading and leave him there until July no matter what he does.

2) Trevor May, RHP, Grade B-: Borderline B. I love the upside with this arm as demonstrated in his K/IP and H/IP ratios, but he needs to cut back on the walks.

3) Phillipe Aumont, RHP, Grade B-: High upside arm acquired from the Mariners but I worry about his durability and mechanics.

4) J.C. Ramirez, RHP, Grade B-: Another high upside arm acquired from the Mariners. High Desert hurt his numbers. I've always liked him better than the numbers indicate I should, and I think a breakout is possible in 2010.

5) Anthony Gose, OF, Grade C+: Love the speed, youth, and the athleticism. Don't like the high strikeout rate for a guy without much power. Most advanced of the uber-tools players collected in this system in recent drafts.

6) Sebastian Valle, C, Grade C+: Excellent power potential and very young, but plate discipline and defense need work.

7) Domingo Santana, OF, Grade C+: Another tools guy, excellent power production in the Gulf Coast League but plate discipline/contact could be issues. Could rank much higher next year.

8) Tyson Gillies, OF, Grade C+: Draws walks, steals bases with outstanding speed, good glove, fun to watch. Most of his power came at High Desert; Double-A production could raise him to a B- or even a B. Could rank as high as fifth if you want to value his polish over pure upside of Gose, Valle, and Santana.

9) Jarred Cosart, RHP, Grade C+: Live arm, good stats in limited GCL sample, negative reports about makeup are a concern but he's young enough to outgrow that. Like Santana, could rank much higher next year.

10) Antonio Bastardo, LHP, Grade C+: I've liked the guy for awhile and expect him to be a good pitcher, but durability problems make it more likely as a reliever.

11) Jonathan Singleton, 1B, Grade C+: Bat was a lot more polished than expected in the GCL. Strong power potential, could rank over Cosart and Bastardo if you prefer hitting to pitching.

12) Scott Mathieson, RHP, Grade C+: Difficult to rank and grade. He's always been effective when healthy and has a great arm, but at some point he's going to run out of graftable ligaments. Could make an impact in the pen as soon as this year.

13) Leandro Castro, OF, Grade C+: Another member of the Toolsy Outfielder Who Might Not Hit Good Pitching Brigade. Could rank as high as eighth.

14) Brody Colvin, RHP, Grade C+: :Live arm from the '09 draft stands out as a sleeper to me.

15) B.J. Rosenberg, RHP, Grade C+: Looks like he could be a good relief option sometime soon.

16) Jiwan James, OF, Grade C: Hard to pick from all the raw tools guys who can fit at the bottom of the list, but for some reason this guy sticks out at me as one who could really take off this year.

17) Justin De Fratus, RHP, Grade C: Terrific K/BB ratio in the Sally League with a live arm.

18) Zach Collier, OF, Grade C: He didn't hit at all last year, but I prefer him to the even rawer Anthony Hewitt at this point.

19) Drew Carpenter, RHP, Grade C: Control artist with mediocre stuff has nothing left to prove in the minors, but fly ball tendency might not fit well in Philly.

20) Johan Flande, LHP, Grade C: Deceptive lefty has less upside than other arms but could help sooner.

OTHERS (Grade C): Aaron Altherr, OF; Mike Cisco, RHP; Heitor Correa, RHP; Kelly Dugan, OF; Sergio Escalona, LHP; Freddy Galvis, SS; Edgar Garcia, RHP; David Herndon, RHP; Anthony Hewitt, 3B; Kyrell Hudson, OF; Austin Hyatt, RHP; Jon Pettibone, RHP; Joe Savery, LHP; Mike Schwimer, RHP; Colby Shreve, RHP; Mike Stutes, RHP; Steve Susdorf, OF; Jonathan Villar, SS; Matt Way, LHP; Vance Worley, RHP.

The Phillies are interesting to write about but hard to make a list for. They love collecting raw tools players and have a great football team at the lower levels of the farm system, but most of these guys have very limited baseball skills right now. Gose, Santana, Castro, and Singleton look the most polished, but that's only in comparison to Collier, Hewitt, Altherr, and Hudson, who don't have a clue what they are doing yet.  The Phillies are betting that they can get these guys to develop along Domonic Brown lines, but the thing is that what Brown did over the last two years is special; most super raw tools guys don't develop that well. My intuition is telling me that Jiwan James could develop like Brown, but I have nothing objective to back that up.

On the pitching side, they have a more balanced mixture of upside (May, Cosart, Aumont, Ramirez and others) with polish (Carpenter and the batch of potential relievers). If May can refine his command he could be a legitimate B+/A- guy next year, but that's a big if. Mathieson is a special case; under the right circumstances he could pull an Andrew Bailey in 2010; but he could also languish in Triple-A and/or get hurt again.

The Halladay/Lee trade is a strong blow; losing Drabek, Taylor, and D'Arnaud rips the guts out of the system. Getting Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez in return helps some but none of them are as good as the three they lost.

Overall, this system is in flux due to recent trades but still has a lot of very interesting, if difficult to predict, talent.

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So as a whole, would you say this system is way down? Or still a top 10 system?

I’m not very familiar with that system.

Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.

by 306008 on Dec 18, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

bottom 10

somewhere in there. Outside of Mr. Brown it’s pretty blahhhhh

by another know it all on Dec 18, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Taylor

Any grade on him and where he wouldve ranked pre trade?

by MagicMike23 on Dec 18, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

i don't think john has done the a's yet

he’ll be in there if so i imagine.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Dec 19, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, John.

Great stuff. I agree wholeheartedly on Brown: the tendency may be to rush him to Triple-A to justify why he’s the lone remaining guy out of what was probably the organization’s top 6 or 7 prospects back in July, but he’s still raw and needs time to develop.

I’ll echo MagicMike23 here: did you give a thought to where Drabek/Taylor/d’Arnaud would rank in this list, and what they’d get grade-wise? I’d assume that’s three guys somewhere in the B range that they’ve lost.

by PhillyFriar on Dec 18, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

grades

Well I’ll do them when i get to the Blue Jays later today and tomorrow, but I think both Drabek and Taylor are B+ guys and D’Arnaud is a B or B-.

by John Sickels on Dec 18, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

Halladay trade

Do you have any prelim grades for the other guys in the Halladay blockbuster?

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

What about Aumont, Wallace, Gilles, etc?

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Dec 18, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually John did comment on that. Here’s a link you might find useful, KBR…

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/12/18/1207506/philadelphia-phillies-top-20#comments

by auclairkeithbc on Dec 18, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Where is the Wallace grade?

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Dec 19, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Blue Jays?

Wallace is a Blue Jay and never was a Phillie.
He will be in the Blue Jays top prospects, which is next.

It was nice of John to give us Michael Taylor’s rating early.

by Zabat on Dec 19, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Sigh

I know that. I was wondering if John had a prelim list for all the guys in the Halladay/Lee blockbuster as judging by the fanposts, it has generated a lot of interest.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Dec 19, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

list

Wallace, Drabek, and Taylor are all B+. D’arnaud is a B or B-, haven’t decided yet.

by John Sickels on Dec 19, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks John

I appreciate the response.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Dec 19, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

A- for Brown

the dude has tools, we all know that….but what sets him apart from most toolsy guys is that he also has advanced plate discipline…..upside is absolutely massive, but the floor ain’t bad either…..i think he deserves a A-

by Wheelhouse on Dec 18, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

Rare combination of elite tools with an advanced plate approach. Needs refinement, but he could be a contributor in all facets of the game.

by Franchise887 on Dec 18, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He looks like Darryl Strawberry to me.

Watching him in the AFL All Star Game, he’s a legit power threat. Not a great defender, but he only has to be average with the kind of bat he can have.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 18, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

When you say he looks like Strawberry, I hope you mean you see a physical resemblance,

because he’s nowhere near the prospect Darryl was.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Dec 18, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The resemblence is there.

The talent is there.
The skills aren’t yet.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 19, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

The talent isn’t there. Don’t get me wrong, Brown is immensely talented and is clearly one of the Top 25 prospects in baseball, but he doesn’t compare to Strawberry talent-wise.

by PhillyFriar on Dec 19, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

No doubt. I believe he called the Brown/Straw comp as the laziest one he has heard over the last year – worse than Castro/Hanley!

by guru4u on Dec 21, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

facepalm

Can we seriously stop comparing prospects to superstars?

I’m good at overvaluing prospects, but seriously.

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Dec 21, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the comparison is fair as long as you stick to body type and general athleticism. (Incidentally, KG has said as much). Once you start comparing Brown’s tools and skill set to Strawberry’s, that’s when it ventures into the realm of the absurd.

by PhillyFriar on Dec 21, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

development

What gives me some hope as a Phils fan is that over the last dozen or so years, they’ve managed to get a lot of players to the majors who wound up outperforming what most minors experts projected. Everyone knew Hamels would be a stud if he could stay healthy, but my recollection was that most forecast Utley as a Todd Walker type, Howard as a league-average slugger at best, Rollins as a glove-first slap hitter, etc. On the pitching side, nobody saw anything like Kyle Kendrick’s 2007 or J.A. Happ’s 2009. (I know both outperformed their peripherals as well as expectations, but Happ still looks like a league average starter going forward, while Kendrick could be a decent back end rotation guy.)

Whether it’s in the minors or the good work that Charlie Manuel and his coaches do at the big league level, they seem to be doing something right. Hopefully the three prospects acquired from the Mariners, who all seem to be high-ceiling guys, follow the same course.

by dajafi on Dec 18, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

+1 on Anthony Gose , John

I believe Gose had made my top 200 MiLB prospect list that I did a month and half or so ago…

I’m concerned about the K’s too, but in my mind 2-3 years from right now he’d be at least as valuable as a Carlos Gomez for instance besides maybe the great Arm.

Rene Tosoni is good.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 18, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

Gose has a fantastic arm. Most wanted to see him come up as a pitcher because he hit 97 on the gun with a plus slider, but his speed was too much to ignore and he wanted to play every day.

by Michael Levin on Dec 19, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah

Gose has multiple plus-plus tools . . .obviously his bat lags a bit, but he’s really young, not close to physically mature and at least has some idea of the skills needed to succeed at the plate.

Obviously there’s a lot that can go wrong with him, but his upside is impressive.

by mrkupe on Dec 19, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Phillip Aumont.

“3) Phillipe Aumont, RHP, Grade B-: High upside arm acquired from the Mariners but I worry about his durability and mechanics.”

I have seen video on Aumont, and I have to tell you that I really see no difference between his mechanics and the mechanics of the late Daryl Kile.

Kyle never had any major injury problems during his career. He did have a terrible two year stretch in Colorado, but of course that was pre-humidor.

by CoolCat23 on Dec 19, 2009 3:02 AM EST reply actions  

I misspelled Kile in the second paragraph. I apologize.

by CoolCat23 on Dec 19, 2009 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

darryl kile

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Dec 19, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

to make this easier

I went ahead and pulled some Youtube links of Aumont pitching . . .I imagine a lot have seen him already, but it doesn’t hurt to inform the conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD5syXtvFmk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHpo2QJEZPg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLKMTONC488&feature=related

I’m no expert . . .but I’m guessing people don’t like his arm action in his release and follow-through. He’s also not really much of an athlete and looks a little stiff on the mound.

by mrkupe on Dec 19, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Most tall pitchers tend to have iffy mechanics. Watch Aumont Glove arm. He’s all over the place with it (a huge difference from Daryl Kile). Second, his timing is off. His plate side leg lands and his torso is still facing the shortstop. He’s losing momentum, causing his arm and shoulder to be doing all of the work.

His follow through actually isn’t that bad, he doesn’t seem to be braking his arm.

The first video shows a little promise, as it’s more recent, and his problems, while not fixed, look better.

by Cormican on Dec 19, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

his stuff

is pretty ridiculous, by the way, if he can ever harness it.

by richieabernathy on Dec 21, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

No arguement here.

by Cormican on Dec 21, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

General observation

There is a massive, massive dearth of 3B/SS prospects in the vast majority of farm systems (not just the Phillies). The scarcity is insane.

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Dec 21, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

+1

SS has been down for a couple years now. 3B was never looking quite as bad until this year.

by guru4u on Dec 21, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Are You Kidding Me?

Hey Variables-

Your tagline is pretty offensive. Do what you will about it, but I’m just one voice calling bullshit on it. It infers that being a black man and criminality are interchangeable, and it’s just difficult to understand how anyone thinks that saying things like that are okay. I’m not trying to pick a fight; just please think about it before spreading hurtful and incorrect stereotypes about a particular race.

Thanks.

by mac37203 on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

lol

his picture is nice too..

a black child eating watermelon and KFC with a money necklace rockin the westside and spinning a basketball in his hand… i still cant figure out what that is on top of his head tho

by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I assume it’s a top braid, like Coolio (remember that name) had.

by Cormican on Dec 22, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

well, the guy’s a prick so it wasn’t that surprising when i saw that signature.

by richieabernathy on Dec 22, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

I hadn’t noticed as I usually ignore his posts, but now that you point it out…

by Cormican on Dec 22, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Effin' ridiculous

John, I’d appreciate it if you had a word with Mr. Variablesdont. Both the joke and the profile picture are unacceptable ouside the confines of the KKK’s fantasy league.

by blackoutyears on Dec 22, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

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