Michael Taylor for Brett Wallace
by Mets2k9 on Dec 15, 2009 12:18 PM EST
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PrintAs reported by Buster Olney via Twitter, the deal is going through after the completion of the Halladay trade. This makes thing much more confusing.
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The report says that the Phills are trading Taylor
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Oh good
I look forward to A’s fans finally admitting Wallace’s flaws.
Wow… friggin steal for the A’s, if true.
Even if Wallace can stick at third
This is a good trade for Oakland. Sure, they need a 3B. They also need really good hitters, regardless of position. I’ll take Taylor over Wallace anyday.
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by thejd44 on Dec 15, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I'd have to agree
whaaat are the Phills doing?
Rene Tosoni is good.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 15, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
phils arent doing anything....
since it is the Blue Jays trading Taylor for Wallace.
by Looney4baseball on Dec 15, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Even Trade
How could anyone say it’s a steal for one side? Wallace and Taylor are both great hitters.
Yeah, might very well be
It is now official – stamp it and seal it: Ruben Amaro is a bad GM. Just a matter of time until these boners catch up to him.
Amaro had nothing to do with this trade
since it was between the Jays and A’s.
by Looney4baseball on Dec 15, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
And that makes it a steal?
Yeah right.
If Wallace becomes the next Pablo Sandoval, which he very well could, the Jays will be happy. Even if Wallace is only playing 1st base.
by UncleBuck44 on Dec 15, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
You’re talking about a 10 stolen base, RF version of Matt Kemp for Pablo Sandoval if they both reach their potential.
Why would the Jays regret it?
by UncleBuck44 on Dec 15, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think either of those comparisons are close, so there.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 15, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
Really? Agree to disagree I guess. Those were my best case comparisons obviously.
I highly doubt Wallace will ever hit .330, but if he does, his OBP will be higher than .385
and the age-level comparisons are pretty off for both those comparisons, too. They’re all different types of hitters, mostly. I’d say that Taylor has a bigger upside, but there’s not enough pro data on Wallace to say he’s clearly less valuable. I like Beane’s move, though.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 15, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Explanation
I’ve seen Wallace so much that I can tell you it wouldn’t surprise me if he hit .330 at some point in his career. Very smooth level stroke. His power comes from bat speed more than loft in his swing. I see him as a guy that can hit .310 with 25 HRs, 50 BBs, 90-100 Ks a few times in his career. Also Sandoval is similar physically and defensively.
Maybe Kevin Youkilis is a better comparison if I were to play it a little safer on the average side. I don’t know if Wallace will be a guy that will draw close to 80 BBs, though. Maybe Joey Votto is better?
Matt Kemp, who is a big guy himself, hit 27 HRs in the FSL and I’m sure he had Dodger fans thinking he’d hit 40 HRs in the majors. Power is tough to project. I think Taylor can be a .300+, 25-30 HR hitter as well. Kemp’s power also is probably still developing. He might hit 40 one year. I can’t say that for sure, though.
John called Taylor a cross between Hunter Pence and Mike Cameron back in July so I think you should be happier with my comp if you’re an A’s fan ;)
BTW, you pretty much said my point. There’s no way you can say this is a steal for Oakland when Brett Wallace is such a good hitter. Does Oakland come out a slight winner? Might be so. But a steal? Give me a break.
Pence is probably the best comparison I've seen.
But who needs comparisons anyway?
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 15, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's more like Jermaine Dye for Justin Morneau without the D
At their ceilings.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 15, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
defense is quite difficult to predict
especially at first base where body type doesn’t mean you’re a bad defender.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 15, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Morneau is a plus defender at 1B
I should’ve worded it as Justin Morneau with WORSE D. I can’t possibly see Wallace as a plus defender.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 15, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
You might have said the same about Ryan Howard.
If the scouting reports are correct, Wallace is a good defender besides his range and maybe arm. Those things aren’t as important at first.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 15, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
3B who are terrible defenders sometimes turn into pretty darn good 1B.
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For instance
IF The Indians traded Grady Sizemore to the Royals for Billy Butler – that would certainly be a “steal” for the Royals.
Im sure Grady hits too much for Dayton Moore’s tastes anyway. He probably just punched a wall after losing out on Juan Pierre.
Yeah the Royals love those speedy CF
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Dec 15, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sizemore
Is a centerfielder with 35 SB speed, though. Big difference.
by UncleBuck44 on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta tell ya...
At this point Im not confident you know who Michael Taylor is, or how to properly value players.
My guess is
You have no idea who Brett Wallace is and the fact that he’s been in baseball for a little over a year and played most of last year at AAA.
You’re clearly Michael Taylor’s mother.
by UncleBuck44 on Dec 15, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Are you under the impression that Taylor is a center fielder?
He’s not. He’s probably a right fielder, but he may even wind up in left when all is said and done. So Grady Sizemore isn’t exactly a fair comparison here.
Fair enough, though I definitely think Sizemore v. Butler overstates the case. Even the back end of it: Butler is really a DH playing 1B, whereas while Wallace is a questionable defender at 3B, there’s no reason to think he shouldn’t be average to slightly above at 1B.
All that being said, I think the A’s win in this deal, and it’s due to positional value, as you say. I just don’t want to overstate the case.
Position
Your statement is kind of confusing. One of them has defensive value, and one of them plays a premium position, but it’s not the same guy.
If you can play it well
Like Pujols or Tex, then maybe. If you are great at scooping throws in the dirt then you’re going to save a lot of errors.
You’re also pushing Wallace off 3rd base too quickly. I watched him play 3rd base quite a bit in college and the minors and he can stay there. He’ll be average but that’s fine with his bat. The turf might push him to 1st base but if you’ve actually seen him play 3rd base, you’d know he can handle it on grass. I don’t have the ability to know he can’t play it on turf. I don’t think anyone does. That’s something you can’t just say without actually seeing it.
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SO...
AA has turned Roy Halladay (albeit 1 yr of RH) into D’Arnaud, Brett Wallace and Kyle Drabek? Not bad, I guess… Would rather have moved him over the summer, easily.
…and Philly turned Knapp, Carrasco, Marson, Donald, Drabek, Taylor and D’Arnaud into Halladay, Aumont, Gillies and Juan Ramirez(+ couple months of Lee)?
Meh. Not too shabby. Considering they already had Lee in hand before giving up a lot of that… not too great.
The deal looks better to me if you consider that he could have had Taylor.
Isn’t that what the whole holdup was about? Drabek and Taylor in the same package? I say not bad, considering he did it two months and 1 less season of playoffs later. It’s similar to the perceived value Colorado got for Holliday IMO.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 15, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
WTF?
Is there anyone out there that actually think Wallace = Taylor?
Wallace has hit and have some problems with defense, Taylor has hit even more and plays better defense. from a tools / physical prospective how could anyone rate Wallace on par with Taylor? The Sizemore vs Butler comp is adept, except that at least Butler cost less than Sizemore.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Dec 15, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Taylor has hit even more?
Yeah because he was at lower levels at a similar age. What do you think Wallace would have done in the SAL and FSL this past year? Taylor didn’t reach AA til his 2nd full year. Wallace was in AA in his first half season.
by UncleBuck44 on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
They're
both college players anyway, if you read the scouting report then Wallace was considered extremely polished out of the box while Taylor was more on the raw side, and this year they both played in the same level.
The end game here is that Taylor is an atheltic 5 tool player that seem to be developing skills too, while Wallace is a bad body slugger… that didn’t exactly slug the living daylights out of the minors this year. if your that type of player, you better be hitting in the similar context of say… a Jesus Montero (extremely young for league, and crushed the league) for me to rank you higher than a Michael Taylor type.
Given their resume, it should be Taylor that gets more margin and excuse for lack of performance, not Wallace.
Between Travis Snider and Brett Wallace
This is sure starting to look like a 40 year old softball team…
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Wallace
Give Wallace time to slow down a little. He was the most polished hitter in the 2008 draft but he was still seriously rushed and did pretty well last year.
The guy will hit. I have little doubt.
If Wallace were playing in Low A and High A ball in his first full year, then I’d say he’d have little excuse for a lack of performance. But he wasn’t.
Which version of Wallace are you considering?
If Wallace can play an acceptable level of 3B for even a few seasons (over/under of 2) then Toronto gets the edge.
If Wallace can’t hack it at 3B at all then I like Taylor for his corner outfieldness.
As hitters… I think at the end of the day you aren’t going to see much of a difference.
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Considering the amount of ground ball pitchers the Blue Jays have, I don’t think they can tolerate a guy with poor range at third for an extended period of time.
Even if Wallace can play third for a couple years
I think Oakland got the better player.
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by thejd44 on Dec 15, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely got the better athlete
But I can’t help remembering all the hype around Wallace’s bat prior to 2009. I wouldn’t be shocked if Wallace ends up being the better hitter.
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The Blue Jays apparently really wanted to draft Wallace in 2008
Seems that they were still clinging to that analysis
Let's not overstate that fact either.
Although the Blue Jays did draft him in 2005 and wanted him in the 2008 draft, let us not forget that there is a new GM. I realize there are a lot of the same people still in the organization even though Ricciardi left, but there is a different guy at the top making the decisions.
Wow
I was thinking of dealing Pedro Alvarez for Taylor in a keeper DMB league. Fair deal or should I ask for more? I already have Alex Gordon at 3B.
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I think Taylor's a bit better than Alvarez
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by OldProspects on Dec 15, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm done with Beane and the A"s!!
This mad scientist GM is a complete joke
You screw wallace twice, This team doesnt need another corner OF. Has Beane forgotten they screwed buck,cunningham of playing time. This smart GM trade a haul of prospects for scott hairston. What happened to the OF experiment of Carter/Doolittle? Oh yeah, ignore the fact they already have a RF with a 4.1WAR value in Ryan Sweeney. Wallacegoes but fringe major leaguers like barton/fox remain that makes me sick. With the A’s luck wallace turns into a batting champion. Taylor turns back into the fluke bust he was at Stanford. Now future 3b for A’s is back to being nothing. Thankfully we still have the future mvp Eric Chavez for 1 more season, another great move by the genius Beane…thanks
Nope
You’re to understand what he actually wrote :
“Now future 3B for A’s is back to being nothing.”
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by WayneCampbell08 on Dec 15, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Now Chris Carter can play first base in peace
I think this makes total sense. Buck has been injured and mediocre. Cunningham’s best outcome is something like Kevin Mench. Taylor has more upside and is more of a legit outfielder than Carter. Their third baseman of the future was already up in the air. They filled a weakness while trading from excess.
by aap212 on Dec 15, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Carter likely ends up at DH
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 15, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
This paragraph is littered with incorrect, stupid, and incomprehensible statements. Let me attempt to do this one point at a time…
1. Screw Wallace twice? Makes no sense. Wallace hasn’t gotten “screwed” at any point.
2. “This team doesn’t need another corner OF”. It doesn’t? I’m relatively certain Scott Hairston isn’t going to be here forever. I’d be surprised if he ends the season on the A’s. And why would you pass up getting a superior player just because you already have a couple average options at the position?
3. Buck “screwed” himself out of playing time by, uh, sucking. If Buck hit anything in AAA he’d have been called back up. Cunningham, meanwhile, is still age-appropriate for AAA; there’s nothing wrong with him starting the season there.
4. Sean Gallagher, Ryan Webb, and Craig Italiano is not a “haul of prospects”. It’s an injured, inconsistent starter with control problems; a relatively young pitcher with average FIPs and poor strand rates; and a young pitcher with massive control issues and horrible mechanics. The move was mostly to clear 40-man roster spots so as not to lose a player with a future in Oakland to the Rule V Draft.
5. Carter/Doolittle are still experimenting in the OF, but Carter is more likely to end up DHing. And since when is it bad to have more than one solid option at a position?
6. Ryan Sweeney can also play CF. I don’t think Rajai Davis is going to be a long-term fixture in Oakland’s starting lineup…
7. I would love to hear why Barton is a fringe major leaguer, but Wallace is the fo shizzle dizzle. As for Fox, he’s a very cheap power hitter with upside. Very low risk. And if we could’ve traded Jake Fox for Michael Taylor, we’d have done it in a heartbeat.
8. With the A’s luck? Which luck is that? Who’s the last prospect we dealt that has turned into a superstar?
9. Taylor was a raw player with projectability at Stanford. Most hitters from Stanford have the “Stanford swing”, the single-plane swing the Stanford coaches insist their players use. Taylor has adapted; he isn’t the same player he was there anymore.
10. Now the future 3B for the A’s is back to being…Adrian Cardenas. Aww, crap, that sucks! Oh wait…
11. Signing Chavez was the right move at the time. The additional defensive value he provided over Tejada was more than worth the small amount of extra offense Tejada provided. Chavez’s injuries don’t make it a poor signing by Beane. It’d be stupid to fault him for that deal at the time.
All in all, this deal makes perfect sense. The A’s obviously don’t think Wallace will be able to stay at 3B. With two possible plus defenders at first already in the system in Barton and Doolittle, Wallace would’ve likely been relegated to DH, which would’ve gotten in Carter’s way. By getting Taylor, the A’s gain a lot of flexibility by not having to have Carter play a position in the field, and getting a potential stud defender in return. They also don’t even necessarily get a worse hitter; many people think Taylor will be a superior hitter. This is a steal for the A’s.
"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."
by CaliforniaJag on Dec 15, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Are you sure about that?
Buck changed his approach at the plate, stopping the bat tap he’d been using for years. He’d been having difficulty making consistent contact. He’s had SOME injury issues, but also just hasn’t been hitting the ball when healthy.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 15, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
I’d say this is a lot of injuries for such a young player…
Oct 4, 2009: Missed the last 2 games of the regular season (illness).
Oct 3, 2009: Illness, day-to-day.
Jun 14, 2009: Missed 15 games (strained left oblique muscle)
May 30, 2009: Strained left oblique muscle, 15-day DL.
May 10, 2008: Missed 18 games (shin injury)
Apr 24, 2008: Shin injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to April 19th).
Apr 20, 2008: Shin injury, day-to-day.
Apr 12, 2008: Missed 1 game (shin injury).
Apr 11, 2008: Shin injury, day-to-day.
Sep 7, 2007: Transferred from the 15-day DL to the 60-day DL (hamstring).
Aug 20, 2007: Hamstring, 15-day DL.
Aug 14, 2007: Missed 2 games (right elbow injury).
Aug 13, 2007: Right elbow injury, day-to-day.
Jul 30, 2007: Missed 2 games (forearm injury).
Jul 28, 2007: Forearm injury, day-to-day.
Jul 14, 2007: Missed 12 games (right thumb injury).
Jun 29, 2007: Right thumb injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to June 28th).
Jun 27, 2007: Missed 3 games (thumb injury).
Jun 26, 2007: Thumb injury, day-to-day.
Jun 15, 2007: Missed 3 games (right thumb injury).
Jun 12, 2007: Right thumb injury, day-to-day.
Jun 4, 2007: Missed 1 game (virus).
Jun 3, 2007: Virus, day-to-day.
May 26, 2007: Missed 2 games (hamstring).
May 22, 2007: Hamstring, day-to-day.
May 10, 2007: Missed 2 games (wrist injury).
May 6, 2007: Wrist injury, day-to-day.
May 4, 2007: Missed 1 game (wrist injury).
May 2, 2007: Wrist injury, day-to-day.
*doesn’t count his minor league injury history.
by Havok1517 on Dec 15, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The vast majority of those are in 2007
He had plenty of time in 2008 and 2009 to get it going, but didn’t hit well. Last year was especially poor; he had a spot all but handed to him, and he didn’t hit well enough to grab it.
Also wanted to point out that the way you posted that makes it look like there are more injuries than there actually were, as some items are double-posted. For example, he only had two injuries in 2009…the 15-day DL stint for the oblique, and the two days of illness at the end of the year. However, they are each listed twice.
"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."
by CaliforniaJag on Dec 15, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Considering that that ignores his minor league concussion history,
including a severe bout with post-concussion syndrome, I would say it rather UNDERstates Buck’s injury history.
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r.e. 8. while not exactly a superstar, I think most A’s fans would love to have Ethier right now and for the foreseeable future. But I also couldn’t research to find out what Beane eventually turned Bradley into. Did they get comp picks? I don’t remember.
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by joeytothelimit on Dec 15, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
nvm no comp picks, looks like they traded Bradley to S.D for reliever Andrew Brown and cash.
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by joeytothelimit on Dec 15, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Bradley was a pretty key piece in the ALCS run the A’s made in 2006, too. It was a move for the present, and while they didn’t win the World Series that year, they at least broke the first round rut they were in for most of the decade…and that cannot be overlooked in that trade.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 15, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
It would be nice to have Ethier now, but without Bradley you don’t go to the playoffs in 2006.
Also, even if the A’s hasn’t traded for Bradley and kept Ethier, would they be competitive today? No. They just had too many aging players on the downside of their career stinking up the roster after 2006.
If you want to fault Beane for mismanaging the farm system as to not have anyone to replace those players, by all means do, but the Bradley trade was not that bad.
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by Threepwood XX on Dec 16, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
IDK
Ethier was just as good as Bradley in 06
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 17, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
They dealt him for Andrew Brown
Pretty decent relief arm, but then he went and blew out his shoulder. What can ya do?
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When is the Carlos Gonzalez for Micheal Taylor debate going to start. Ethier is one that got away and Carlos Pena is pretty good these days other than that the trades are necessary to create future equity. I can live with Micheal taylor for Brett Wallace
by CallMeDragon on Dec 16, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Considering that Pena was released by three other teams after being traded,
I’d say the A’s weren’t exactly the losers in that particular transaction.
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tbh
I’ve been more impressed with Beane lately than I was earlier in his career. He still tries to stock pitching, which is always a plus. He’s rebuilt the system with some shrewd moves (sure, the system fell down under his watch, but give him some credit for building it backup). He seems to have slightly changed the A’s scouting and development approach.
But perhaps the most important reason is that he started targeting power. Rather than stopgap power, he’s trying to find youngsters to develop. Part of the reason Donaldson was a nice target at the time was that he had some power potential. I wouldn’t be surprised if they moved this quickly from Wallace because they weren’t sold on Wallace’s power and were sold on Taylor’s.
Also, with Suzuki behind the plate, wouldn’t surprise me if Donaldson got some time at 3rd.
relax bud...
the only weakness now in our organization is at 3rd…some teams would kill for that..we’ll be fine
I honestly...
think Beane is selling high on Wallace, who I’ve never been a fan of, as his lack of power and his body type don’t play well at 3B at all. He moves to DH or 1B and he’s nothing special imo.
I agree
I really liked Wallace and I still think he’s a very good hitter, but not the star I hoped he’d become
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by OldProspects on Dec 15, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Olney said wallace would be replacing overbay at 1b
I guess that seals the deal that his 3rd organization now thinks he cant be an option at 3b. Still love the bat wouldve liked him to stay in oakland, one of the few players actually wanting to play for his favorite team growing up
aaahhhhhhhh
Taylor traded for Wallace. Anthopoulos didn’t need to do that with Edwin Encarnacion at 3B.
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I guess so since he will be 27 in January but I think he’s still got more pop in his bat than Wallace although Wallace will probably hit for a better average. Keeping Encarnacion and Taylor would have been better but that is only my opinion.
Lyle Overbay is gone so it does in fact look like Wallace is being slotted into the 1B spot that will open. Honestly, from the sounds of the articles it simply sounds like Toronto likes Wallace more, even if he plays 1B. Article today said that Anthopolous is “convinced” that he is a middle of the order hitter.
This will really become a battle between who’s scouting department is more competant, because opposing reports suggest that Beane is super high on Taylor and when dealing Holliday his first preference was to move him to Philly for Taylor. Oakland likes Taylor, Toronto likes Wallace.
3B is still going to need to be filled by Toronto. Whether that happens through a trade or through the draft is yet to be seen.
Toronto turf.....
A 260lb outfielder wouldn’t have lasted two seasons on that turf before the rash of knee and back injuries began.
and how much does
Travis Snider weight? 240?
by richieabernathy on Dec 16, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
There's one DH spot.
May become Snider’s. But most likely Cooper’s
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I don't know
I don’t really think Cooper’s bat is good enough for him to be a DH. I think that spot goes to Lind or Snider. The Blue Jays have a lot of potential DH’s.
Lind is playing DH
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 16, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I can't figure this out for Toronto
Snider and Taylor as future LF and RF would be great-and as for getting Wallace did they give up on David Cooper that quickly?
Cooper was their consolation prize for not getting Wallace in 2008
I was under the impression that Lind was moving to 1st but I suppose he can DH now
this move probably signals that Cooper is DH
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Im pretty sure Cooper couldnt be further from their long term plans right now
Wallace at 1B, Lind at DH, Snider in the OF (mix and match with Lind).
Cooper looks… terrible. He’s going to need a lot more time, and even then, there are plenty of questions whether he’ll be good enough to be a major league 1B – nevermind DH. I dont think anyone is projecting his bat to be a DH. He better be a very good defensive 1B, too, bc the power doesnt look like its coming.
David Cooper's bat will get him to the big leagues but
he’s a sloth of a defender and his opposite-field/up-the-middle approach doesn’t make him a good bet to put up elite power totals. I’ll be surprised if he turns into an average regular.
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I think most people who haven’t seen Snider much underestimate his athleticism and thus underestimate his POTENTIAL to stick in the field. That said, while his bat may be advanced for his age his D has a long way to go. Compared to Lind he may look okay at times, but that isn’t saying much. To stick in the OF Snider really has to read the ball off the bat well, and he doesn’t yet. So I’d say Snider has the potential to stick in the OF if he can stay in shape and work on his D, but he’s not there yet. It might just be a matter of time for him to work on his defensive game, the tools (contrary to what most people believe) ARE there for him to be an adequate defender in LF and maybe, just maybe, even be passable in RF.
Do people think Billy Beane would reverse the Matt Holliday trade with the Rockies if he had a chance??
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 16, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions
in the end it was
carlos gonzalez, houston street and greg smith for michael taylor..
why?
gonzalez street and smith for holliday..
holliday for wallace
wallace for taylor
actually it is
holliday for caron, street, smith (doubt they are losing sleep over the last 2 pitchers).
4 months of holliday, then traded to stl for wallace, mortensen, and peterson. i believe they spent 8mill on holliday, saved 4.5 mill after the trade.
traded wallace for taylor
my bad
forgot about mortenson and ptererson
Peterson and Mortensen also came in the Holliday/STL trade.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 16, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
values change
that is inaccurate
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Why would they?
They did want to pay street. They had multiple opportunities to sign him through his arby yrs to a long term deal, they passed. The A’s have maybe the best bullpen in baseball, with or without street. A fair assumption is having traded him earlier alone, but they werent getting worthwhile offers for a pitcher who had durability issues and a guy who struggled and lost his closers job in 08.
turned cargon into wallace into taylor…looks like musical chairs of top prospects.They liked taylor pre any stl trade.
greg smith, mortensen, peterson, etc were all secondary pieces debate how you will on their varying upside or lack of it.
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