How would you rank these young pitchers?
by auclairkeithbc on Dec 11, 2009 10:34 PM EST
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Jordan Lyles, Jason Knapp, Randall Delgado, Chad James, Mike Minor, Trevor May, Ross Seaton, Brett DeVall, Brad Hand
All these guys are really young and naturally unproven. I'm wondering how you'd rank them (I'd rank them in the order I named them). Also note if there are any huge gaps between players and any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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for me
1. Jordan Lyles
2. Randall Delgado
3. Jason Knapp
4. Chad James
5. Trevor May
6. Mike Minor
7. Brad Hand
8. Ross Seaton (could go higher)
9. Brett DeVall
Any factual evidence at all towards this rumor?
Carlos Carrasco, Alex White along with Tanner Scheppers to the Twins
Glen Perkins and Beau Mills to the Rangers
Francisco Liriano and the rights to Boof Bonser + a PTBL to the Indians
(will Smoak and Feliz go to Fla. for Josh Johnson?)
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 11, 2009 10:48 PM EST reply actions
Randall Delgado
Chad James
Jordan Lyles
Mike Minor
Trevor May
Jason Knapp
Brett DeVall
Ross Seaton
Brad Hand
Why would you put Knapp so low?
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
ha...yeah...
You see there’s such a significant drop-off between May and Seaton that I had to skip a tier to get the point across.
by byronlhsdrmr on Dec 12, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
To expand on that a little bit
John ranked Meyers as a C+ on the Nats top 20. I’d expect all the pitchers listed here to be at least B- grades(some higher than that of course).
RIP Nick Adenhart
True
but as John noted he’d rank higher without the injury concerns, where as Meyers comment mentions his limited upside. The injuries don’t worry me too much with DeVall, I’d have gone with a B- for him.
RIP Nick Adenhart
Yeah
I agree basically, which why I even put him in the discussion. I like him.
by auclairkeithbc on Dec 12, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Okay if Meyers rank last in this group.
Where would LHP Ross Detwiler rank among these guys?
Be real with yourself.
He has more upside than all of them.
And he showed what he was capable doing in the second half of last season.
Be real with yourself.
by Daggerrrrrr on Dec 12, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
well
he doesn’t have more upside. he probably has the highest floor though.
by auclairkeithbc on Dec 12, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
So where would you rank him with this group of pitchers?
Be real with yourself.
by Daggerrrrrr on Dec 12, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
he's about equal w/ Minor for me
ceiling of a good #4, floor of a bad #5
I’d have Minor #1. Easily the most likely to do anything on this list, and none of the others are likely to be much better if they hit their ceiling, IMO.
Also, Brett DeVall was probably the most projectible of the arms on this list. He’d be very high on my list if healthy, which he’s not.
"none of the others are likely to be much better if they hit their ceiling"
I think a lot of people would disagree with that statement
Yup. Minor’s best case scenario is a #3 starter. His value comes from his worst case scenario being a #5 starter.
At least 5 guys on this list have a higher upside than #3 starter. There’s a chance none of them reach it, of course, but that’s not what the question is.
by PhillyFriar on Dec 12, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, perhaps…
All I see are a bunch of pitchers who either can’t throw strikes, have inflated numbers with poor/middling peripherals, or pitchers who are having success not supported by their overall profile.
I mean, yeah, if you want to bet on Jason Knapp figuring out how to throw strikes, then sure…his ceiling is higher. I just don’t think it’s likely.
yeah
that is what is meant by ceiling. the likelihood has more to do with floor. you think minor has the highest floor, not the highest ceiling.
by auclairkeithbc on Dec 13, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
eh, maybe
Delgado is a popular breakout candidate, but let’s be honest, Minor is WAY more polished than him and Minor is a much more likely candidate to one day pitch in a major league rotation. Doesn’t mean that he’s necessarily a better prospect, doesn’t mean he’ll be a better pitcher if both guys make it, just means he’s more likely to be a major league starting pitcher.
Minor is certainly a better prospect than DeVall, who was last seen sitting in the mid-80s. I liked DeVall coming out of high school but he wasn’t a guy who could afford to lose anything on the fastball.
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Where do you think he falls in the ranking?
Chad James
Jordan Lyles
Randall Delgado
Trevor May
Jason Knapp
Mike Minor
Brett DeVall
Brad Hand
Ross Seaton
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Knapp
Havent seen all those pitchers on the list in person, but have seen Knapp a bunch, both with Lakewood, and then later with Lake County once he was traded to Cleveland. Obviously with any young hard throwing pitcher there is an injury/flameout risk, but he has the stuff to be a #1 IMO. Like I said, can’t really rank them when I haven’t seen them all pitch, but I’d put Knapp towards the top of that list. I saw Lyles pitch in person, and Knapp certainly was as good.
What do you guys think of RHP Juan Jaime?
I think he has the potential to be better than all these pitchers on this list. I think he’s the real deal.
Be real with yourself.
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