ProjectProspect's Top Prospects in Graphic Form
by dougdirt on Dec 1, 2009 4:54 PM EST
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PrintProjectProspect.com has now gone through and made a Top 15 for all positions and a Top 30 for Pitchers. What I did was assign points based on all of that. 2 points for a 15 vote and 30 for a 1 vote. For the pitchers I just went 30-1 in points for the 1-30 spots. I added up all the teams points, multiplied by 2 then divided by 10 to give a Font Size to put the team name in the graphic. The idea came off of the work that Kevin Dame is doing at TheHardballTimes.com and I thought it was a pretty cool way to represent certain things. Obviously this is a little rough because there are some stronger positions and some weaker ones (2B jumped out to me as one of the weaker spots), but still I think it gives a decent look at the farm systems in baseball, at least as far as the teams Top 10's go (Boston actually had 12 players listed, San Diego was 2nd with 9). Here is what the graphic wound up looking like:
I plan to do something similar once John comes out with his Top 20s for each team, assigning point values for each grade, but that is a ways off still.
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This is cool...
but I think you have too much time on your hands.
Adam Dunn: Proof that even sabermetrics doesn't have it right.
Astros aren't as bad as I thought
They have achieved legibility.
lol piece
Cardinals gotta work on that… maybe they’d be better off in arial
Cardinals
Are they even on there? I only see 29 teams there. I’m not sure the Cardinals have yet even achieved visibility.
I believe Daniel Descalso (15th on the 2B list) is the only Cardinal who made any of the lists that were used for this graphic.
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Yes
They are…. kind of between the Pirates and Orioles. They only had 1 guy, and the font size was 0.4. So you really can’t see it unless you zoom in on the picture.
Well this is different...
I just dont think its that good of an indicator. I know the Padres have an underrated system, but I do not for a minute believe its the 2nd best in the game. Rangers/Braves/Rays all have better systems, at the least.
Well
like I noted, there are certainly flaws in this, and for the most part its only looking at most teams Top 5 or 6 guys, so depth really doesn’t come into play with something like this. Given that both Sickels and BP give players grades, doing a similar project when those are done should yield better results.
It also only reflects what Project Prospect thinks of guys, which depending on your view could be way off base in some places.
where are the dodgers at??
are they that bad?>? like bottom 3 as this graph indicates
Ned Coletti is replicating the win-now model that the Giants used in the late-90s and early 2000s. It isn’t an approach that yields a steady stream of elite prospects.
The Dodgers are dry on near MLB-ready upper minors bats. They have some guys who could break out next season, though. And a lot of people like Devaris Gordon more than we do. Andrew Lambo is another guy to keep an eye on. Also, we didn’t rank Chris Withrow on our top 30 pitching prospects list back in October. The Dodgers’ system isn’t terrible.
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Rockies
Horrifyingly underrated system IMO
"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond
Anyone in particular who you think is underrated from their organization?
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His numbers don’t look bad at all…probably filtered out from my quantitative searches by league due to his age. And idea if he can play defense?
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His defense is what makes him a legitimate prospect
In other words, yes, very well.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
Yup, that guy.
As well as Chacin (REALLY like him) and Charlie Blackmon.
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is that the twins or did i just cough on the screen?
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Top system
Does anyone have a pick for top farm system besides the Red Sox?
I’ve heard from some people who think I have some kind of bias toward Red Sox prospects. But I don’t know how you can argue against the depth and talent in their system.
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The depth that the Rays have pitching-wise is incredible
Hellickson, Davis, Lobstein, Moore, Barnese, McGee, etc.
"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond
I am not sure I would place th Red sox in my top 3 now with the departure of so many guys from the trade deadline and graduation and poor years
A lot will depend on how people rank prospect eligibility and how much people base rankings off of potential vs. ceiling vs some form of combination.
The thing is that there was so many promotions that the prototypical MLB ready guy that drives most prospect lists for teams are not there. I am trying to go on tiers and then work back.
Rangers, Indians, A’s
Col, Balt, Bos,TB
Pitt, Philly, Wash, Fl
I probably need to sit down and run through all of these teams, but right now I am working o na project. It is getting to the point of starting to develop an organizational list though.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Your tier system looks good
I’d probably put the Padres in the top 10 and I’m not quite as high on the Red Sox as a lot of people (I’d put them around 8-10th).
Padres?
Padres are much improved, but still probably not even top half for me.
I understand your argument.
Personally I’m just bullish on this system because it has a nice foundation of depth to go along with some good talents (Tate, Decker, Castro etc). I think that with Hoyer as the GM this team’s farm system is in excellent hands.
Marlins?
They probably have the best 1/2 combo in Stanton/Morrison. Their system does lack pitching depth though.
Better than Feliz/Smoak?
I don’t know about that. If Morrison can maintain an 18% walk rate, maybe. But he jumped from 10 to 18 from High A to AA, that seems unsustainable. And Smoak put up better overall numbers in AA last year than Morrison last year. (.328/449/481 to .277/411/442)
A's
I’m impressed with the depth and potential of the A’s system.
by RandyKutcherHair on Dec 2, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I hope you aren't referring to a comment I made on the PP boards
I was being sarcastic regarding Frederick’s comment that Red Sox prospects deserve extra hype simply because Theo Epstein is involved. I didn’t intend to imply that you actually do favor Red Sox prospects over others.
I can't see how the Red Sox could be ranked above the Indians
Cleveland’s system is basically what the Red Sox have plus Carlos Santana. You’d have to be very low on Rondon and Chisenhall to not find them comparable in value to Kelly and Westmoreland. After that, both teams have enormous depth spread throughout the minors, with the Red Sox skewed toward position players and the Indians skewed toward pitchers. I don’t see much separating the teams in terms of depth, but the Indians have a blue chip prospect and the Red Sox do not.
The Rangers and Rays also have strong systems headlined by the type of elite prospects at advanced levels that the Red Sox lack. How many promising lower-level prospects does it take to equal the value of Feliz/Smoak/Perez or Jennings/Hellickson/Davis? Maybe someone who places a very strong emphasis on system depth could rank the Red Sox ahead of one or both of these teams, but I think the gap at the top is too much to overcome.
by The Good Face on Dec 2, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Good points.
I think the Indians’ pitching depth is a little shortchanged by this analysis. Since PP only went 30 deep on pitching prospects and 15 deep at 8 different positions (120 position prospects), the emphasis of this particular analysis lays upon position prospects. PP has Carrasco and Rondon in its top 30 pitchers, but the Indians have a ton of quality pitching prospects outside the top 30… Knapp, Hagadone, TJ House, A. Perez, White, Putnam and Gomez to name a few.
Nice graphic
The data set is limited due to significant differences between pitchers and position players. Because there are 120 position prospects and only thirty pitchers, the overall numbers are disproportionately weighted in favor of systems with greater numbers of recognized position prospects. That effect is somewhat mitigated by the fact the Top 15 pitchers receive 16-30 points, though that creates another issue in that the best pitching prospect in baseball receives twice as many points as the top position prospect.
The graph that results from John’s grades will be far more indicative of system strengths assuming the data only use players who are given a B- or higher.
For John's grades
Since John typically tells how many grade C’s were present in the system, I was planning on giving them points as well. Not sure on the point system yet, but will wait to see how many are at each grade before deciding on that.
this is awesome
haha. it’s the runaway candidate for funkiest fanpost I’ve seen. I think this can be funkiest, Daaron’s Vin Mazzaro posts can be worst, and anything Andy Seiler posts can be best.
btw, I mean funky in a good way
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