Rising Stars Chat
by Metty5 on Nov 7, 2009 8:26 PM EST
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I figured we would see something like this - but there isn't one yet.
Post your thoughts, reactions, ideas etc.
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Minor
His stuff still looks rather underwhelming to me.
by jar75 on Nov 7, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pitch F/X
Had his fastball at 91-92. Change had a (roughly) 8-11 mph difference from the fastball. Slider looked good to me, though certainly not amazing. That’s a pretty decent arsenal from the left side. The rumors of his lack of stuff seem rather exaggerated to me.
by aCone419 on Nov 8, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The velocity has been a bit of a surprise, but I thought his slider looked very mediocre. It really didn’t look much better than Oliver’s to me.
by jar75 on Nov 8, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He looked like exactly what everyone thought he was...
Decent pitcher/prospect, but an overdraft at that spot.
by alskor on Nov 8, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's gonna add velocity in the next two years, and he'll improve his three secondary offering, as well
he’s young, he’s polished, and he’s got a lot of projection left in him. anyone who dismisses him blankly at this point as an overdraft doesn’t have real good concept of how these things work.
he’s not tim lincecum. if you’re expecting every top 10 pick to be that, again, you don’t have a real good concept of how these things work.
he may not be great, but i’d contend that he’s a hell of a lot closer to that than anyone calling him an overdraft realizes.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 8, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like him, but still...
Overdraft.
Calling someone an overdraft has little to do with how they ultimately turn out. Neither his stuff nor results to date have vindicated that pick. There were better players on the board, who could have apparently been had cheaper. That is what makes it a reach.
by alskor on Nov 8, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who's better? matzek? scheppers? storen?
i know you can’t be talking about mike leake. leake has the same package as minor, except he’s a little more polished and has a lot less projectability.
there was no troy tulowitzki that they passed on. at the end of this next year, minor will be just as good a prospect as anyone taken after him (with the probable exceptions of other noted VD faves tanner scheppers and kyle gibson). they didn’t miss any surefire great. all these guys have just as much downside as minor, but minor’s got a little less risk, with just as much upside.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 8, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most people disagree with your assessment of his upside
As well as the amount of projection you’re seeing in him.
I guess we’ll see.
by alskor on Nov 8, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
most people also disagreed with my assessments of shaun marcum and wandy rodriguez and ricky romero and edwin jackson and gavin floyd, blake hawksworth, and rob tejeda
i may have a blindspot when it comes to guys like strasburg, lincecum and kershaw, but my track record in seeing these kinds of breakouts from middling former top prospects is unmatched. minor is in this next wave, as are tim alderson, clayton richard, aaron laffey, and andrew miller.
pitcher progression is non-linear. guys don’t go from A to B to C to D, they jump around, they regress, they have breakouts. i happen to think minor is gonna breakout. i happen to think he’s gonna break out in a big way. that may take him a year, and maybe he’ll need 4 as he goes on the rickey romero/gavin floyd route, but i have a lot of confidence that he’ll get there.
oh, and clayton richard is gonna get damn close to winning a cy young in the next 3 years; he’s on track for a massive breakout.
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by variablesdont on Nov 8, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i believe in clayton richard...
i think he;ll be really good.. but tim alderson?
by matthewmafa on Nov 8, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alderson's gonna add some velocity at some point.
i’ve got video of him somewhere, and you can tell that there’s a lot more coming. he’s got a lot of lincecum in him, as far as jumping at the batter is concerned, and you’ve gotta remember that he’s almost a full year younger than even mike minor. he was only 17 when drafted, so developmentally, he’s got a ton of time left to realize his potential. i’m definitely buying him at this point.
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by variablesdont on Nov 9, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't See It
The strikeouts are too low and he’s been incredibly lucky with his strand rate so far. He needs to cut down on the walks as well. If everything goes right, maybe he’s a top 20 pitcher but nowhere close to cy young contention. To me, all signs indicate he’ll be a perfectly average starter.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Nov 9, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No offense
But unmatched? I know, modesty is for lesser souls. lol
by blackoutyears on Nov 9, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, i'll put it like this,
if i am as good at this as i say i am, how should i advertise myself?
i’m okay when it comes to projecting hitting at this point (maybe a little worse, for those of you who are ready to dance on the grave of jason donald), but i see things noone else does when it comes to pitching. i have my bugaboos (most notably with big bodied GB specialists and exceedingly great young prospects (though i think my distaste for them might have more to do with the way they’re shoved down my throat by the masses at sites such as this)).
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 9, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize only one of those pitchers is good.
by PissedMick on Nov 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you do realize that at any 1 point in time, there are 360 pitchers on an active major league roster
you’re a complete fucking moron if you don’t think half those pitchers are in the top quarter, and the rest aren’t in the top 2/3. if your concept of ‘good’ ends with a top tier #2 starter (of which, wandy rodriguez, edwin jackson, and shaun marcum could all very easily qualify as), you’re just not worth talking to.
check that, i have talked with you in the past. you only need to read those first 5 words. and you, most definitely, are not worth talking to.
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by variablesdont on Nov 9, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't freeze me out!
There’s nothing that makes me smile more than when you talk about how amazing you are, and then rattle off a list of mediocre starters you somehow “called”.
I’m not complaining though. I like to smile. Especially when 1/3 of them are former top prospects (nice find!) who have been relative disappointments.
by PissedMick on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mediocre?
you seem to think you know a lot about these names, so tell me, where was edwin jackson’s value in june of 2007. where was shaun marcum’s at any point prior to 2008? gavin floyd up until august of ‘08? do you know at what point ricky romero stopped being the red headed step child who only was a reminder of the fact that JP didn’t take tulo?
i’ll tell you flat out that 4 year old top prospect lists are the first place i go to find new names, but you people have become so venomous that i don’t even have to go back 6 months to find guys you’ve thrown to the curb. mike minor, tanner scheppers, and kyle gibson are guys i absolutely love that noone gives a damn about here. i mean, what kind of prospect watchers are you when you don’t give a shit about three first round draft picks that haven’t yet thrown a single pitch in affiliated ball?
you can laugh all you want, but if you think talking up steven strasburg takes any amount of talent as a prospect analyst, again read those first 5 words.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 9, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You come across as a bitter egomaniac fwiw
congrats on the eagle eye!
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by Kenan and Kel on Nov 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're an Idiot
You’ve got some napoleon complex going on here. “mike minor,tanner scheppers and kyle gibson are guys that i absolutely love that noone gives a damn about here” BUZZ Wrong again. I personally brought up TS in another part of this thread and minor was the subject of the first post here so obviously lots of people “give a damn” about him.
Hey, I know how good Tanner could be if he stays healthy and he’s one of two players of those three who has already had arm troubles so it’s natural to be a little skeptical of his future. Personally, I wanted the Cubs to draft him in the first round because I thought he was worth the risk. So get off your high horse or you might break something when you land.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Nov 11, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leake
Leake has better secondary stuff and induced a lot of ground balls in college (something that Minor didn’t do). I’m not a huge Leake fan, but I do like him more than Minor.
by jar75 on Nov 8, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
leake, white, scheppers, gibson, jenkins, and minor all have their warts. i guess who of them that you like comes down to personal preference.
i absolutely hated alex white as a draft prospect. he had no polish, no projection, no reliable secondary offerings, and while he has a rocket for an arm, i don’t think he’ll ever have any idea where it’s going.
gibson was my guy. if the draft happened in early may instead of mid june, he’d have been a top 3, top 5 prospect. after that arm injury, his value just nose dived. i don’t think he’ll have much success this season, and maybe he’ll have no success in 2011, either, but i really hope we get to see him fully realize his potential at some point.
scheppers was another favorite of mine. he also has a rocket arm, but unlike white, he developed a killer second offering in his spike curveball. i think he’ll stay healthy for a long enough stretch sometime in the next 5 years to keep him employed into his mid 30s, ala a jeff farnsworth/tony armas/javier vazquez.
chad jenkins fell into my usual trapping of a big body/high GB rate prospect. i fell in love with blake beaven in 2007, with tyson ross in 2008, and jenkins was the guy in 2009. at this point, i’ve got no idea what to think of any of these guys. i’d actually like to talk about this at some point, since it’s been a major falling of mine for a while.
leake and minor i’ve talked about. i might be underselling leake a little bit, but i don’t think he has the 96 MPH fastball that i project minor to have, and while i’d agree that he has better secondary offerings at this point, i do expect minor to have an aha moment there, too. leake is safer, but i see a ton of upside in minor that, for some reason, everyone but the braves is missing.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 8, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Farnsworth?
Anyway, the common thread between Beaven and Ross, if you are looking for one, is that they both had scary bad mechanics pre-draft.
by aCone419 on Nov 9, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
kyle maybe?
it’s one of ’em.
and bad mechanics don’t at all scare me off. with what i know, anyone’s arm action can be fixed in 5 seconds. inverted W, flying V, it doesn’t matter. a flick of the wrist straightens everything out. from there, the rest is just repetition.
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by variablesdont on Nov 9, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers changed (I hesitate to use the word fixed since I don't know anything about mechanics) Beavan's arm action
And he promptly lost 5+mph off of his FB/SL that he hasn’t been able to regain.
by LiamP on Nov 9, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
beavan's 20 years old.
i was expecting more out of him, but he’s got plenty of time to turn around.
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by variablesdont on Nov 9, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blah, Blah, Blah
Every scout down here in AZ laughed when I shared with them your concerns of the inverted W.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Nov 9, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who's concerned about it?
i mean, they’re awful mechanics, but if i can fix it in 5 seconds, how concerned should i really be about it?
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 9, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
They’re more concerned about Scheppers’ motion more than Strasburg’s. I’d give you their reasons but you refuse to listen to anyone’s opinion other than your own so it’s like trying to argue with a gnome statue. You can keep saying that Strasburg has awful mechanics as many times as you want but it doesn’t make it true. So STFU already.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Nov 9, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not just mechanics.
and who exactly was even talking about strasburg here? this desire to bring him into every conversation is one of the reasons i have such distaste for him.
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by variablesdont on Nov 9, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Inverted W
Name me one other well known prospect that has that label thrust on him as a negative. You’re the one who brought him into the subject so don’t act innocent.
There’s not one scout who thinks he needs any fixing whatsoever. Just some internet dweeb with delusions of grandeur and an inferiority complex.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Nov 11, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you expect him to add velocity?
I can’t think of many pitchers who came from major college programs and added velocity while in the minors. Actually, I can’t think of any. I’m sure there are a few, but it would seem silly to expect it. Guys adding velocity after college, especially when they already received top level coaching in college, is the exception and not the rule.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 9, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
clayton richard is one.
his predraft profile looked a hell of a lot like minor’s, actually. big projectable body, average velocity, average secondary pitches, good control.
also, these guys are 21. are you really suggesting that it’s rare for a pitcher over the age of 21 to have an a’ha moment or a breakthrough that’ll make him better at his craft?
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 9, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I agree with that
Richard was an ex-football player, relatively new to pitching. The main word used about him was “raw.” I think that’s pretty different than Minor who’s main attribute is often cited to be “polish.”
by aCone419 on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not rare for them to improve secondary pitches
But yes, it absolutely is rare for someone over the age of 20 to add velocity unless (a) they haven’t received much proper pitching instruction before or (b) they’re coming off injury problems that artificially depressed their velocity.
Plus, Minor added 4 mph to his fastball in college. He was sitting around 85 coming out of high school, which is part of the reason why he fell to the 9th round then. How often can you remember someone having two different spurts where they add velocity?
I don’t have numbers to back it up or anything, but I’ve been following prospects for about 10 years now, and it’s certainly a trend I’ve noticed. It seems much more common that someone actually loses a few ticks around 21-22 years old, although oftentimes that’s primarily due to a changed delivery to either (a) stop tipping pitches, (b) get to the plate quicker or © add control at the sacrifice of velocity, and since Minor doesn’t have any of those issues (that I know of), I’m not particularly afraid that he’ll lose velocity.
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by Brickhaus on Nov 10, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
minor
is geting crushed so far…
6 hits and has faced 7 batters..
by matthewmafa on Nov 7, 2009 8:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Minor
He’s garbage. Didn’t even make it out the 1st inning. He never should have went 7th overall.
Be real with yourself.
by Daggerrrrrr on Nov 7, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you're wrong. dead wrong, actually.
his stuff is good, it’ll definitely play as a LHP.
the first two batters reached on cheap hits that would have been outs, had triunfel not been triunfel (the guy’s slow, his arm sucks, and he dragged ass getting over to the hole), and zawadzaki not been playing out of position at 2B, where a natuaral fielder would have read the ball right and gotten a better jump.
the difference between two outs, none on, and no outs, with speed on 1st and 2nd kinda sets the tone for an inning.
it’s a bad outing to be sure, but you’re an idiot to write him off before he’s thrown an inning in affiliated ball.
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by variablesdont on Nov 7, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah you are right...
he got a bit unlucky that inning…
the infield hits.. but he did give up a homer and a double
by matthewmafa on Nov 7, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there were 3 hard hit balls in the inning, one foul. one double to demonic brown, and the allen HR
however, the allen HR would have been a long loud out in ATL. it was hard hit, but it wasn’t crushed, and they are playing in AZ.
i don’t think anyone’s encouraged by this outing, but the door to his future is not shut.
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by variablesdont on Nov 7, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was still rather hittable
He threw 29 pitches (18 for strikes) and only got 1 swinging strike and 2 called strikes.
by jar75 on Nov 7, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again, i'm not really encouraged by the outing, but
there;s more there than you’re seeing. the fastball will play, his command is good, and i think there’s more to his offspeed pitches than you saw in this outing.
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by variablesdont on Nov 7, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
god forbid he doesn't dominate some of the best hitters in the minors in his tenth professional game.
guy is done.
by larry on Nov 8, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That stiff Strasburg gave up 8 runs and 3 homers in one game in the AFL. What a stiff!
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by WayneCampbell08 on Nov 8, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Triunfel...
You can say what you will about Triunfel’s range, but his arm definitely doesn’t suck. His arm isn’t the loosest and he runs into problems throwing on the run, but on raw arm strength he’s a 55/60.
by slamcactus on Nov 8, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
minor out
after 2/3 of an inning…
7 hits 1 walk 7 runs 1 home run allowed
by matthewmafa on Nov 7, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tabata has looked a lot faster than I thought he was
I do not get all the bust talk surrounding him, if he can walk a bit more, he could be a good centre fielder with some power and speed.
by tdot mariner fan on Nov 7, 2009 8:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That jumped out at me too
He ran the bases well. I didn’t necessarily think he looked great going back on flies in CF though.
by blackoutyears on Nov 9, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Marrero
Should have been in this game over Brandon Snyder.
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by Daggerrrrrr on Nov 7, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Moustakas did not look very impressive in his first AB
His stance looks a bit rigid too me and he appears to be out of shape, though that might be my imagination.
by tdot mariner fan on Nov 7, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
His left leg isn't as pronounced
But he reminds me of Thome.
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by Metty5 on Nov 7, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never realized Josh Bell was a switch hitter
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by Metty5 on Nov 7, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's really good. If he can play an average to plus 3B, he's awesome.
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by Tyler on Nov 7, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he is a switch hitter....
Thats what they CALL HIM…
But hes REALLY BAD as a RHB…. so bad that he should actually probably just stop switch hitting… thats how good he is as a LHB tho
by matthewmafa on Nov 7, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I never understood switch hitters who bat poorly from one side, and continue to switch hit.
If you bat righty, you should have little issue hitting righty pitchers.
If you bat lefty, it shouldn’t be a big deal not being able to hit lefty pitchers that well, because there aren’t a ton of them out there — and you can platoon with a guy who can hit lefties well.
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by Frederick0220 on Nov 8, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After what the Minnesota Twins did this year I don't neccesarily believe
in all of that crap anymore….
Denard Span hits left-handed pitchers better than he hits righties,,,
Joe Mauer and Jason Kubel don’t have any trouble with lefties either , Morneau surely hits righties better than Lefties but it isn’t by much of a difference….
Michael Cuddyer is a right-handed batter and he struggles against righties at times… .but always fairs well against the lefty.
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 8, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kubel
I like Kubel, but he most certainly does have trouble with lefties:
Career:
vs. LHP: .240/.314/.356
vs. RHP: .288/.356/.506
2009:
vs. LHP: .243/.299/.345
vs. RHP: .322/.396/.617
by jar75 on Nov 8, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Actually kind of amazing that Gardenhire runs him out there in the 5 hole against LHPs all the time. Then again, Gardenhire isnt a very good manager.
by alskor on Nov 8, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Cuddyer would typically follow...
.307/.363/.651 vs lefties in 2009, .287/.370.478 career.
by PissedMick on Nov 9, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
kubel does struggle with LHP still
.644 OPS against them
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by doublestix on Nov 8, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez looked pretty good striking out 2 and inducing that Groundballduring the 2nd inning
by Marinerfanjake on Nov 7, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
His Curve was very impressive
It dropped a lot and he had command of it also.
by tdot mariner fan on Nov 7, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tabata just looked awful on that fly ball
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by Metty5 on Nov 7, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid he will blow his arm out by just throwing hard
by Marinerfanjake on Nov 7, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean you hope! ;)
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 7, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get how that guy wasn't a 1st rounder.
His FB/changeup combo from the left side is scary.
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by Frederick0220 on Nov 8, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Offspeed
I’m not sure what happened, but his plus curve disappeared in his Junior year. He’s replaced it with a pretty mediocre slider. If the Tigers can find a way to get him to re-establish his curve, he’ll be a steal. Without it, his ability to stay in the rotation is in question.
by jar75 on Nov 8, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
This is why I hated the pick last year- I don’t have much faith that he can regain the curve (call it a gut thing) and so I see him as a Fernando Rodney type (Fernando, is, of course, a righty, but the comparison is still fairly accurate) as opposed to a starter. I hope he finds his curve and makes me eat my words.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 8, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a good gamble
Yeah, he may end up moving to the bullpen if he can’t find a serviceable breaking ball, but the upside is pretty high.
by jar75 on Nov 8, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jemile Weeks
Looks younger than a lot of little leaguers.
by aap212 on Nov 7, 2009 10:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
haha, those are the kind of observations that I am used to making.
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by Frederick0220 on Nov 8, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Gutierrez
His stuff looked great in his inning. His curve had a nice sharp break, and the FB velocity was higher than I expected to see.
by jibs on Nov 8, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see the game but I notice Leake struck out the side
Was his stuff any good?
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by Imperialism32 on Nov 8, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
#4 Starter
That’s what the scouts I talked to said his ceiling was. Has command of 4 pitches but no plus pitch.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Nov 8, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bronson Arroyo
type?
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by Michael Cave on Nov 8, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Much better than that
If Arroyo didn’t take steroids or other ‘drugs’ every other day he wouldn’t even be in the big leagues,,,,
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 8, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
^ what I meant was Supplements and proteins, vitamins ….
He is a practical pediatrician or a wannabe physician.
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 8, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Much better than that?
So that means is most definitely more than a no. 4 type starter then. Go look at Arroyo’s stats (ERA+ of 109 and yes i know that doesnt tell the whole story) but that looks like a really good 4th starter to me.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Nov 9, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I detest this line of thought.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he looked OK
I was not overly impressed, liked the look of Scheppers alot better.
by slickterp on Nov 9, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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