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Twins Acquire J.J. Hardy For Carlos Gomez


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Brewers trade Hardy for Gomez By Tom Haudricourt of the Journal Sentinel

Nov. 6, 2009 10:50 a.m.  

As it turns out, the Brewers will not be trading shortstop J.J. Hardy for pitching help after all. Instead, the Brewers used Hardy today to address their centerfield position, trading him to the Minnesota Twins for Carlos Gomez, a speedster who has been an offensive underachiever.

The move makes it clear that the Brewers have decided to part ways with veteran centerfielder Mike Cameron, who is eligible for free agency. Cameron, 36, has been the starter in center for two years but made $10 million in salary this year, and the Brewers obviously plan to use that money in their attempts to upgrade their starting rotation.

Gomez, who will be 24 on Dec. 4, was one of four players traded by the New York Mets to the Twins on Jan. 29, 2008 for left-hander Johan Santana. Considered one of the top prospects in the Mets’ organization, he replaced the departed Torii Hunter as Minnesota’s starting centerfielder and batted .258 in 153 games that season with 24 doubles, seven triples, seven homers, 59 RBI and 33 stolen bases.

Gomez began the 2009 season as the starting centerfielder but batted only .195 through the first month and was moved to a reserve role. In 137 games and only 315 at-bats, he batted .229 with three homers and 28 RBI, with 15 doubles, three triples and 14 stolen bases. His on-base percentage was .287.

In 348 major league games, the right-handed-hitting Gomez has batted .246 with 12 homers and 99 RBI, with 59 stolen bases. He has a .292 on-base percentage and .337 slugging percentage. Not exactly what you want to see from a player whose main tool is speed.

Hardy, 27, became the Brewers’ starting shortstop in 2005, a role he held until August of this season. Mired in a dreadful slump that he couldn’t shake, Hardy was sent down to Class AAA Nashville in a somewhat stunning move and replaced by prospect Alcides Escobar, promoted from that club.

In 115 games, Hardy batted .229 with 11 homers and 47 RBI. It was in start contrast to the previous two seasons, when Hardy batted .277 with 26 homers and 80 RBI, and .283 with 24 homers and 74 RBI, respectively.

By keeping Hardy in the minors exactly 20 days, the Brewers pushed back his free agency until after the 2011 season, making him more palatable in a trade. In the meantime, Escobar took over the shortstop job and excelled, batting .304 in 38 games.

Hardy mostly sat on the bench after returning in September, and it was evident that the Brewers were ready to turn the page at shortstop. It was quite a fall from grace for a player who made the National League all-star team in 2007.

Escobar, who turns 23 in December, batted .298 with 24 doubles, six triples, four homers, 34 RBI and 42 stolen bases in 109 games with Nashville before being promoted. A superior defensive shortstop, he is rated the No. 1 prospect in the organization by Baseball America magazine.

Hardy made $4.65 million this season and Escobar will make just over the minimum of $400,000, so there’s a financial component to the deal as well. Hardy is eligible for arbitration again this winter and such players usually get raises even with off seasons.

Gomez made $437,500 this year and I believe he qualifies for arbitration this winter exactly with the 2 years, 141 days needed for “Super 2” status.

The Brewers will lose considerable pop in center with the exodus of Cameron. He hit 25 homers with 70 RBI in 2008 after signing a free-agent deal, and socked 24 homers with 70 RBI this year. Cameron also played Gold Glove-caliber defense in center but was strikeout prone, with 142 Ks in ’08 and 156 this year while compiling a .342 on-base percentage.

Cameron is a Class B free agent. To get a supplemental draft pick in exchange for him signing with another club, the Brewers would have to offer him salary arbitration. Because the signing club doesn’t forfeit a pick, he might sign before that deadline, however, giving the Brewers the draft pick.

Cameron filed for free agency Thursday, the first day players were eligible to do so. Other Brewers filing were catcher Jason Kendall, second baseman Felipe Lopez, and outfielders Frank Catalanotto and Corey Patterson.

HERE IS A QUOTE FROM GM DOUG MELVIN ABOUT GOMEZ:

“Carlos brings to our club great speed, athleticism and energy at a position that we needed to fill,” said Melvin.  “His defense will serve as a key component to us improving our pitching.  At only 24 years of age, Carlos can further develop the offensive aspect of his game and give us a different look to our lineup.”

AND ABOUT HARDY:

“J.J. has been a steady performer for the Brewers,” said Melvin.  “His professionalism and popularity with our fans and his teammates made this difficult, but he has been given the opportunity to go to a great organization to play and perform at the high level he is capable of playing.”

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I disagree

in 2008 Gomez batted .258 with 7 homers 7 triples about 16 doubles and stole 33 bases

his defense is top 5 in CF in the game today

and the reason he struggled so much in 2009, was that after that first month he NEVER AGAIN saw regular playing time in CF to allow himself to get locked in …. he saw a start here and a start there and then not for a week then a few days later again…

it had to be frustrating for the 23 year old.

With that said, I still LOVE This trade as a Twins fan.

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 6, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actaully it was 24 doubles in '08 with that reg. PT

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 6, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

in 2008

his wOBA was .294 …. that’s not good

by daveh33 on Nov 6, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He never really hit in the minors, though

Lets be honest here… the kid really isnt much of a hitter and there wasnt a whole lot of reason to think he might become one in the future. He’s an athlete in a baseball uniform, not a ballplayer.

by alskor on Nov 7, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"At only 24 years of age, Carlos can further develop the offensive aspect of his game and give us a different look to our lineup."

“At an atomic weight of only 82, lead can further develop the chemical bonds needed to transform into gold.”

http://www.chop-n-change.com

by alexwithclass on Nov 6, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Love it!

Go-Go was a lot of fun to watch…sometimes (i.e. in the rare circumstance that he wound up on base). I wish him every bit of success, but he simply didn’t have a place on the Twins’ roster.

Now, the question: What’s Delmon going to do now that he’s been handed a starting spot?

by FMelius on Nov 6, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

spahn/kubel

made up for the inconsistency or failures of gomez/young whih helped

im sure twins fans are hoping hicks/revere an help soon too

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 6, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

santana trade eventually

2 yrs of hardy
mulvey traded for a season + of jon rauch
humber dfa’d/off 40 man
guerra

they still ended up getting 2 useful pieces that will now help in 2010

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 6, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking

the same thing, plus they saved money, and Santana is hurt (although i think he’ll be fine). Wasn’t such an awful deal, although I have only heard rumors of the other offers.

by wobatus on Nov 6, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They could of had

Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Justin Masterson, and Jed Lowrie

or Phill Hughes, Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera

the final offer Jacoby Ellsbury, Masterson and Lowrie I believe was never an actual offer, just a bluff by Epstein in a move to try to push the Yankees to include Joba.

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 6, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe

Lester was ever on the table.
I don’t think these packages were ever offered. I think the Mets deal was the best offer the Twins recieved. Just my thoughts.

http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/

by garrioch13 on Nov 6, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no I'm pretty sure it was a confirmed offer....

I’ll find the link…

Gomez and Guerra at the time were believed to have more upside than Lester/Masterson/Lowrie -Crisp the CFer with no more upside)

I knew the Twins were making the wrong move, but I can’t blame them tooooo much because they had to get Santana into the NL and not the AL East or certainly the AL central….

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 6, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awful awful awful awful deal for the Brewers

Just awful. I am surprised we couldn’t have beaten that.

by DeJay on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Would've wanted him

on the Mets.

I don’t trust Reyes anymore. Or Castillo for that matter.

by METSMETSMETS on Nov 6, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Young

Played almost full time in August and September. I think he will do just fine offensively, but his defense needs a lot of work. The outfield defense just was delivered a blow.
I’m in no hurry to see Hicks or Revere any time soon.
I would rather see Revere and Ramos moved for pieces to show that we want to win so Mauer doesn’t want to bolt. We don’t have a spot for Ramos and he is too valuable to be a backup. Hardy is somewhat of a pal of Mauer’s I believe, so that could help too.
I would also like to see the market tested on Duensing, Swarzak, Perkins, Manship and even Joe Nathan.
It’s a very good first step in what should be a busy off-season for Bill Smith and the Twins.

http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/

by garrioch13 on Nov 6, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm having difficulty grappling with the concept that this is all that was out there

What is going on with all these trades? Why are teams so concerned with moving players as fast as possible?

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Nov 6, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously.

I can just about Guarantee the M’s put in a good offer, and I can’t imagine it was worse than this.

Although maybe Melvin just likes speedy guys.

by PissedMick on Nov 6, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a good fit for the Brewers

Gomez is easily capable of palyig 162 games in CF

batting .265/.310/490
and stealing 30-35 bases with gold glove caliber defense

and is a decade younger than Mike Cameron.

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 6, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you meant

.265/.310/.390

I don’t see Gomez slugging close to .500…

RIP Nick Adenhart

by gatling on Nov 6, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That caught my eye

The guy has a career ISO of .100 over his major and minor league career, and we’re supposed to buy that he could at one point put up an ISO of .225?

I call balderdash on that.

by DiegoAsFan on Nov 6, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whoops

HIs major league career ISO is .100, but his minors numbers weren’t much better. Either way, a huge jump in his ISO is not very likely.

by DiegoAsFan on Nov 6, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well yes I did

thanks for pointing that out
I wouldn’t be surprised if he slugged over .400 though

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 6, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cameron

Melvin liked the idea of not having to pay Cameron 10M to play center.

by diehardtwinsfan on Nov 6, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Cameron and Gomez both play great defense and bat .220… but Cameron’s .220 isnt completely empty.

by alskor on Nov 7, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the only thing I wish Bill Smith could have accomplished

in this deal that he did not

was package Gomez’ best friend 2B Alexi Casilla (more of a 6th infielder now days)
in that trade

and in return get a low end prospect….
but otherwise I’m happy happy as are most if not all Twins fans.

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 6, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're wright

but his minor league #’s are pretty porous besides the one breakout season….

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 6, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't dislike Casilla

He just needs something to get him going. He has a lot of skill, just hasn’t been using it.

http://milbprospects.blogspot.com/

by garrioch13 on Nov 6, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good trade

Obviously I’m a twins fan, but I think people miss something about Gomez. He went from A ball (where he was advanced for his age) to the Mets and then spent 2 years in Minnesota. He never really had time to develop. Personally, had he not been traded, I would have thought that a trip to AAA or even AA would have done him well. He needs to play every day (obviously), but he was developing in one of the worst places to develop. I’m pretty confident he will turn into a .270/.320/.400 type hitter or possibly even better. He definitely has the ceiling to do that. The question is when (and I’m assuming that this early call up will not be a detriment to his career). I wouldn’t expect great things out of him this year, but I’d imagine you start seeing significant improvement in the next couple of years.

by diehardtwinsfan on Nov 7, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Straight from A-ball to the Mets? No.

He spent an entire year in A-ball, then an entire year in Double-A, then starting ‘07 in Triple-A before being called up to the Mets due to injuries. He was always young for his leagues, but his development wasn’t absurdly rushed.

by Fanon on Nov 7, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Supposedly the Red Sox offered Bowden for Hardy

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/11/sox_were_in_on.html

But the Brewers insisted on Bard or Buccholz. Given the team’s needs, if I’m Milwaukee I’d rather have Bowden than Gomez. Bowden would be a nice #3/#4 in the NL, and he’ll have 6 years of team control with just a small amount of AAA time to start the season. Sign Marlon Byrd to a reasonable contract to play CF – you can probably get FA guys in that range for roughly the same amount you’ll be paying Gomez once he hits his arb years starting in 2011.

by jibs on Nov 7, 2009 9:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Probably decided it was going to be more cost efficient to pursue a starting pitcher in free agency than a centerfielder. Not sure I agree though.

by alskor on Nov 7, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The upside being

that Gomez’s defense will make whatever pitcher they sign look a lot better.

by alskor on Nov 7, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Gomez's defense that much better than Cameron's?

Don’t remember hearing anything about Cameron’s declining.

by Fanon on Nov 9, 2009 5:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It hasn't.

Gomez’ defense may be better, but by the numbers it shouldn’t be considerably better. They’re both significantly above average. Of course, the two players will likely be going in opposite directions from here on out.

by PissedMick on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol at the brewers lineup next year...

they will have alcides escobar carlos gomez and jason kendall in one lineup along with second basemen who is a ? and mister one year wonder casey mcgehee… price fielder and ryan braun are gonna have to carry this team the whole year… i dont see them breaking 500 with so many black holes in the lineup

by matthewmafa on Nov 7, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah

Escobar could be a league average SS offensively almost immediately though…

They are going to be banking a ton on Weeks and McGahee to continue what they did this past year when healthy, given the limitations we’re aware of with Gomez/Kendall/Hart offensively.

It’d be nice if Salome/Lucroy were ready to take over next year at C, but that doesn’t appear to be in the plans. And what to do with Gamel is another issue.

And the fact that they don’t have a #2…or #3 pitcher (yet) isn’t going to help either.

by FastBennyF on Nov 8, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Escobar could be a league average SS offensively almost immediately though…

They are going to be banking a ton on Weeks and McGahee to continue what they did this past year when healthy, given the limitations we’re aware of with Gomez/Hart/their C spot offensively.

It’d be nice if Salome/Lucroy were ready to take over next year at C, but that doesn’t appear to be in the plans. And what to do with Gamel is another issue.

And the fact that they don’t have a #2…or #3 pitcher (yet) isn’t going to help either.

by FastBennyF on Nov 8, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What I was trying to do was edit my post since Kendall is a free agent and probably won’t be back.

What I did do was something rather moronic.

by FastBennyF on Nov 8, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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