Working on the Giants
by John Sickels on Nov 27, 2009 6:20 PM EST
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PrintWorking on the Giants for the book. Preliminary player list after the jump.
San Francisco Giants 40 players
Brock Bond 2B
Jorge Buchardo RHP
Jose Casilla RHP
Craig Clark LHP
Edward Concepcion RHP
Chris Dominguez 3B
Matt Downs 2B
Steve Edelfsen RHP
Darren Ford OF
Matt Graham RHP
Waldis Joaquin RHP
Tommy Joseph C
Osiris Matos RHP
Thomas Neal OF
Kyle Nicholson RHP
Nick Noonan 2B
Dan Otero RHP
Joe Paterson LHP
Brett Pill 1B
Rafael Rodriguez OF
Ari Ronick LHP
Dan Runzler LHP
Hector Sanchez C
Ben Snyder LHP
Henry Sosa RHP
Jason Stoffel RHP
Eric Surkamp LHP
Clayton Tanner LHP
Jeremy Toole RHP
Ydwin Villegas SS
Craig Westcott RHP
Zack Wheeler RHP
I had originally included Jesus Guzman and Ryan Rohlinger but cut them for age. I could cut Matt Downs too but I like him for some reason.
Who am I missing that you want included? I have to start keeping this to no more than 40 players per organization.
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Brandon Belt.
He deserves to be in there over Jeremy Toole when using the ’09 draft class for comparison.
belt
Yeah, I thought about him. Saw him play in college and was fairly impressed.
by John Sickels on Nov 27, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
i had it in my mind that the giants system would stand out
for some reason. I mean, not top tier system, but good. that said, skimming over this initial player list, it doesn’t look that impressive to me. eh, maybe i’m way off.
I thought i saw the Giants released Osiris Matos as a minor league free agent
I could be wrong though. Kevin Pucetas and Mike McBryde should be on the list
Differences with my top 40
Joe Martinez
Wendell Fairley
Dan Turpen
Aaron King
as well as the already mentioned Guzman, Rohlinger, and Belt.
40
No on Fairley. I don’t believe in him at all. Martinez is sort of the pitching version of Rohlinger or Downs…I could put him in. Turpen and King and Belt are all possibiliies also.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Liles
I’d have him over Bond. Liles is in a place to have a similar development curve and is better or equal in every tool.
liles
Too far away. …college guy needs to show more than that in the Arizona rookie league.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a big Thomas Neal fan
He was old for his level but I still like him.
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Nov 27, 2009 11:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He’s 21. That’s not that old for A+ is it?
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Oh my bad I thought he was older around 23
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by Jordan Tuwiner on Nov 28, 2009 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Should we bother with Villalona?
Seems like he might be done for a while if not forever?
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by jbluestone on Nov 28, 2009 12:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Villalona was dropped of charges wasn't he?
by Marinerfanjake on Nov 28, 2009 12:51 AM EST reply actions
Kind of...
The family of the victim asked the judge to drop the charges which he did, however the prosecutor is still planning on taking him to court. As best I can tell, the charges that were dropped were filed by the family, so the government can still file charges themselves. The rumor is that Villalona paid about 150K to get the family to drop charges, so I have little doubt that whatever witnesses there are may similarly go silent.
by Franchise887 on Nov 28, 2009 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
Last we’d heard of the Villalona case was that he was released of all fault, which we took as the family dropped the charges (most probably because of a payoff) and that since they no longer will testify there is no criminal case either.
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not sure
Not sure what to do about Angel. Might drop him.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Julio Izturis, 2B. Borderline Top 20/honorable mention candidate. Wilmin Rodriguez, LHP. Fairly promising stuff despite the age-relative-to-league factor.
izturis
20 years old and no power in rookie ball.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
true
True. and about a zillion other guys who didn’t make it.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
he also has great defense, speed, and ability to take a walk
from what I heard he is larger than his brothers and is expected to gain more power as he develops.
Jose Valdez
Finally pitched and was ok..maybe a sleeper for 2010
Ariel Hernandez
6-figure LA signee in 2008 who put up good numbers in the AZ league.
Cameron Lamb also did well in the AZ league – good stuff, some control issues and is old for the league (coming back from injury) but is worth watching.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
by tedfordfan on Nov 28, 2009 11:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
ariel
Ariel was in the Dominican Summer League, not the Arizona Rookie League. Not going to include him at this point.
by John Sickels on Nov 28, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I like Izturis. I’d think Aaron King needs to be on the list somewhere.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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list
current list:
Ehire Adrianza SS
Brandon Belt 1B
Brock Bond 2B
Jorge Buchardo RHP
Madison Bumgarner LHP
Jose Casilla RHP
Craig Clark LHP
Edward Concepcion RHP
Brandon Crawford SS
Chris Dominguez 3B
Matt Downs 2B
Steve Edelfsen RHP
Darren Ford OF
Conor Gillaspie 3B
Matt Graham RHP
Waldis Joaquin RHP
Tommy Joseph C
Roger Kieschnick OF
Aaron King LHP
Thomas Neal OF
Kyle Nicholson RHP
Nick Noonan 2B
Dan Otero RHP
Joe Paterson LHP
Francisco Peguero OF
Brett Pill 1B
Buster Posey C
Rafael Rodriguez OF
Ari Ronick LHP
Dan Runzler LHP
Hector Sanchez C
Ben Snyder LHP
Henry Sosa RHP
Jason Stoffel RHP
Eric Surkamp LHP
Clayton Tanner LHP
Ydwin Villegas SS
Craig Westcott RHP
Zack Wheeler RHP
additional names to consider?
Edwin Quirarte
Daryl Maday
Juan Martinez
Juan Perez
Evan Crawford
Mike McBryde
Jackson Williams
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 28, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions
Mcbryde should be in there somewhere.
Does anyone know how Juan Perez’s conversion to second went? If it takes that should up his stock a little bit.
They were playing him in in the OF a lot the second half the season, so it doesn’t seem that it went that well.
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The team prefers him in the outfield. A big part of his season was that he was wearing a heavy knee brace that limited his mobility. He got a smaller one midseason, but he should be without it next season. Machemer says he’s one to keep an eye on once it’s off.
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by BruteSentiment on Nov 29, 2009 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
that’s good news.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 30, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
After Posey, Bumgarner, Wheeler, and Thomas Neal who stands out?
Is it Brandon Crawford next? Henry Sosa?
or Nick Noonan? or what about Rafael Rodriguez is Raffy still atop 10 or 12 prospect for the Giants overall?
I’ll be interested to see where 1. Kieschnick 2. Joaquin 3. Gillaspie 4. Dominguez 5. Joseph
rank out in the end.
And Pucetas ? how far has he fallen?
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 28, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions
I'd pick Joseph highest of that group.
The power potential is outstanding, though the questions about the glove are legitimate.
more than the glove
im worried about his ability to put the bat on the ball, he’s horrible.
I like Kieschnick
but I probably overrate him a bit. He and Joseph are top 10 guys. Gillaspie and Dominguez are in the 12-20 range and Joaquin is in the high teens/ low 20’s.
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I guess it happens in this text block as well, don’t know how to fix that.
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anyone give me an idea if there any intrest or play on a catcher named Johnny Monell, my nephew played with him at Seminole cc in Florida. Monell caught this season at low A ball with at Augusta. Believe he’s playing this winter in Puerto Rico.
I dunno, if you’re going to let Downs in, there’s no real reason not to let Rohlinger in too.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
David Quinowski
Probably the last guy on the 40 and shouldn’t be any higher, but he was on an upward trajectory until getting hurt.
He was healthy this year rehabbing in SS. Was going multiple innings at the end of the year. 10.1 K/9 in his career, had success in High-A before getting hurt. Could pull a Runzler next year if he stay healthy. Better bet to contribute than Downs.
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