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An Interview with Oakland GM Billy Beane

I spoke with Oakland GM Billy Beane this morning. Here is a transcript of the interview.

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JOHN SICKELS:
   Billy, thanks for taking the time to talk with me today.
   I want to start with a general question, then get to more specifics about some of the youngest players and prospects in your organization. First of all, you've spoken frequently of the necessity for a smaller-revenue team to build from within, and the Athletics clearly had to do that this year. Is it difficult to decide when you're in rebuilding mode, and when you're in win-now mode? Obviously you always want to win, but how you assess your current position is going to impact how you handle trades and free agency. If your team is really good or really bad, you know it, but how do you assess this if you're somewhere in the middle? For example, in 2009 you finished 75-87, but your Pythagorean won-loss record was 81-81, so maybe this team is better than it looks. How does this impact your decision making for 2010 and the future?

BILLY BEANE:
    Good question. I think one of the General Manager's most important jobs is to figure that out, to always know where you are in the organization development process. Sometimes the public perception, in the media and with the fans, of where the team is, can be different than what the private internal perception is. The way I look at it, you are either building something special or you have something special. Our market is challenging as you know, and we are in rebuilding mode right now, but I think there are a lot of good things to look forward to.
     As I see it, our organization has two "waves" of players. We have a strong group of young pitchers up in the majors right now....Anderson, Cahill, Bailey, Gonzalez and others. . that's the foundation for a great staff, and we have a group of young hitters coming up behind them who will be ready soon. It's a process we went through in the 1990s so we know how it works.

JOHN SICKELS:
     So you do see yourself as in the rebuilding phase right now.

BILLY BEANE:
    Yes, but these things can change quickly. What you want is for a young group of players to come up at roughly the same time, but it's a case by case thing for each player, and you have to give them time to adjust to the major league level. Expectations can get very high when you're bringing up young talent, sometimes too high, but it is our job to factor that in. Even if our won-loss record doesn't change next year, we will still be light years ahead of where we are now in the development process itself, just by the young guys getting another year of experience.
     Even a level-headed guy like Brett Anderson will need adjustment time. He's a very good pitcher now, but how will he look in three or four years? He should be outstanding.
     When a player first reaches the majors, he's in survival mode, just getting use to the pace of the game, the big league setting, the travel, playing against the best guys he's ever faced before. Eventually they move beyond that survival mode, they get comfortable, and then you see how good they really are. The time it takes is different for every player, some of them the adjustment happens fast, sometimes it takes longer, sometimes there are setbacks. Right now, we have a lot of players who are making that transition from survival mode to realizing they belong. But once it clicks, the upward improvement can be incredibly rapid, and it is a beautiful thing to watch happen, for the specific player and when it happens to a team as a whole.
     The draft is incredibly important for us, of course. When you're in a rebuilding mode, you can't miss on your early round draft picks, especially if you're in the top half of the first round. If you have a top five pick especially, you can't miss on those at all. The research is very clear on the value of a top five pick compared to the bottom half of the first round. We picked 12th last year and 13th this year, and are happy with what we have to show for it. (ed.-Jemile Weeks and Grant Green). When we built up the team in the 1990s, early round picks were critical for us.

JOHN SICKELS:
     That's interesting that you mention the importance of the early choices, but sometimes guys can be a big surprise. Andrew Bailey, rookie of the year, was a sixth round pick.. I've been an optimist about him but I didn't expect something like this. At what point did you realize you had something special on your hands?

BILLY BEANE:
     Well we always knew he had a lot of potential. We always felt he could make it as a starter, but he kind of hit the wall in that role at Midland (in 2008).

JOHN SICKELS:
     Yeah, he had some problems down there. But then he moved to relief in the second half and was better, and I remember seeing him in the Arizona Fall League last year and thinking he looked really good. I thought he could be a good middle reliever, but he was much more than that this year.

BILLY BEANE:
     He always had the strong strikeout rate, which I know is something you look at and we certainly look at as the best indicator of future performance for a pitcher. He looked good in spring training, throwing 92-94, and we felt he fit well into the pen. But then he got comfortable really quickly, and his confidence took off. He got really fired up, his stuff went up to 94-96 even 97 with the cutter. We didn't see that coming. We thought he'd be fine in the pen, but he just got better and better. It built on itself and you saw the final results.

JOHN SICKELS:
     He wasn't a high-round draft pick.

BILLY BEANE:
      No, and you can't count on finding a rookie of the year with a sixth round pick. That's why the early rounds are so important. But it also shows you can find players who have potential, and in Bailey's case it was the strikeouts that indicated it to us.    

JOHN SICKELS:
     You mentioned the young wave of pitching up this  year, and as good as Bailey was, rookies held down the starting rotation. Your top six starters averaged 22.6 years of age, with Dallas Braden the "veteran" at age 25. Anderson and Cahill had to be very pleasing given how little Double-A experience they had. But what about Gio Gonzalez? You mentioned the important of strikeouts. He's got the strikeouts but he still can't get anyone out.

BILLY BEANE:
     Gio is a really interesting guy. Even when he's getting hit hard, he still strikes guys out. Ultimately we think it will play out in his favor. Gio is a very high-strung guy, high-energy, and sometimes that works against him. It will take him a little longer to get comfortable, but we understand that. Brett Anderson is the opposite, he's very calm and under control emotionally, but Gio is still learning to harness his emotions. We think he made a lot of progress doing that.
    If you look at his game-by-game lines, you can see signs that he's pulling things together. Back in July, he had a really bad game against the Twins (ed.--10 hits and 11 runs allowed in 2.2 innings on July 20th), but he came back from that to pitch well against the Yankees (July 25th, one run in 6.2 innings) and Red Sox (July 30th, eight strikeouts in 5.1 innings) on the road. That's not easy in those environments, so he showed he could bounce back. We were also really happy with his last start, where he fanned 10 and didn't walk anyone (October 2nd against the Angels) in six innings. That shows the kind of potential he has. He just needs more time to put it together consistently, learn to channel his emotions when he gets amped up.

JOHN SICKELS:
     You mentioned the wave of young hitters who will be ready soon. Where does Chris Carter fit into that? Can he really play the outfield?

BILLY BEANE:
     Chris is far more athletic than people think. He needs work out there, but he has a better chance to stick in the outfield than the other candidates like Barton. We haven't given up on Barton at all by the way, we still believe in his potential. But Chris's bat looks special. It would really help us fit him into the lineup if he can play the outfield.

JOHN SICKELS
     I saw him late in the year for Midland, and I agree, he is more athletic than people say. He's not just a slugger either, he looks like he's pretty polished with the bat.

BILLY BEANE:
     Yes. Our people in Midland thought he was the best all-around hitter in the Texas League, a pure hitter now, not just a power guy. He's made adjustments as he's moved up and has improved his approach at a rapid rate. And he's still very young, too. We had some concerns about how he would adapt in Triple-A, but he handled the challenge well, hitting four homers for Sacramento. He will need some Triple-A time to make the final adjustments with the bat, and to settle on a position.

JOHN SICKELS:
     So you will keep him in the outfield?

BILLY BEANE:
     Well, it would help us if he could stick there. We'll see how things look in the spring. We still have Barton and Doolittle to find places for, too.

JOHN SICKELS;
     You said you haven't given up on Barton. Do you still like Doolittle?

BILLY BEANE:
     Yeah, we still like both of them a lot. It's too bad about Doolittle's knee, that was badly timed for him and for us, but we still think he's going to be a good hitter.

JOHN SICKELS
     The other big bat in Triple-A is Brett Wallace. Can he stick at third base?

BILLY BEANE: 
     Well we don't know for sure yet, but we won't take him off third base until he proves he can't handle it. His bat has come very quickly, he was just a year out of college and hit well in Triple-A. The bat looks special to us. Sometimes with guys like that, the glove gets panned by scouts just because the bat has come so quickly and they are looking for something to criticize. Also, I think Brett's defense gets panned unfairly because of the way his body looks.

JOHN SICKELS:
     It looks to me like he has a strong arm and decent hands, but his range is limited.

BILLY BEANE:
     Maybe, but third base is a big hole in our system, and if he can make it there it would fit very nicely into the plan. The other factor is that Brett believes he can play third base, he's committed to it, and it is foolish not to let him try. So we're keeping him there until he proves otherwise.

JOHN SICKELS:
     We are almost out of time, but there is one more guy I want to ask you about. Grant Desme had a great year in the minors, and was one of the big boppers in the Arizona Fall League. He's always had good tools but was slowed down by injuries. I like what he did in A-ball, but his strikeout rate is very high. Does that worry you?

BILLY BEANE:
    Well, we drafted him high (second round, 2007) and we've always liked his potential. He got hurt, but he made up for lost time this year. You mentioned the strikeouts, and yes that is something we're aware of. The other concern is age; people point out he was kind of old for A-ball. But the bottom line is that he performed this year, he looked great this fall, and we can't worry about failure until it actually happens. The guy he reminds me of is Jayson Werth, a big guy who could run when he was young. Desme has a similar package, and that sort of power is hard to find in a right-handed hitter.

JOHN SICKELS:
    Does he start at Midland or at Sacramento?

BILLY BEANE:
    We'll decide that in spring training, but probably Midland. We'll have to see if the strikeouts become a problem, but we really like what we saw from him this year.

JOHN SICKELS
     Billy, I know you're a very busy man, but thanks for taking the time to chat today!

BILLY BEANE:
    Thanks, John!

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Awesome. Thx! :)

by Colorado Fan on Nov 20, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yep

Thoughtful questions and interesting answers. Nice one.

by jibs on Nov 20, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome stuff John

Thanks a bunch. Very good questions.

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by nobodyinparticular on Nov 20, 2009 4:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It really was a great interview!

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 20, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That was actually pretty enlightening. It seemed Beane was a little more open about his system and what he and his staff look for in players than most people are in these kinds of interviews. So thank you for getting this and asking amazing questions to elicit such responses.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 20, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

AN gets some pretty good interviews with him, but even there I feel like about 1 in 3 of the questions end up telling you little. There’s a lot of meat in this one— really almost no wasted questions. Got past the generalities pleasingly quickly.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 21, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Beane's answers show respect for Sickels' baseball knowledge

One doesn’t bullshit your peers. And Sickels is as close a baseball peer to a GM as you will find.

by redtopcowboy on Nov 21, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Interview

Just a bit upset no mention of how he and Angelina Jolie are doing

You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220

by Mets2k9 on Nov 20, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

From what I've heard

When they decided not to make it, there was no groan of disappointment from Beane

You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
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by Mets2k9 on Nov 20, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They didn't decide not to make it

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/moneyball-hones-in-on-director/

That’s from a week ago.

The absolute BEST thing to happen to this movie is fro Aaron Sorkin to re-write it. How can some of this stuff be interesting to the mainstream? The same way he made the inner-workings of the White House interesting. The witty dialogue and over-importance of rather mundane situations. I’m excited for it only because Sorkin is attached. I do hope they recast some roles though. Demetri Martin just doesn’t work as DePo.

by thejd44 on Nov 20, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome interview, keep them coming.

Awaiting his arrival in SF: Jesse English

by henwo on Nov 20, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

cunningham

He has a limited window now it seems, and Buck’s is closing.

by wobatus on Nov 20, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That was very cool

and I’d love to see more front office guys interviewed with those type of quality questions.

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by t ball on Nov 20, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just about to say...

If at all possible, this would make a great series.

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by hightowersmith on Nov 21, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great questions John

Thanks heaps :-)

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-

by Daniel777 on Nov 20, 2009 11:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Enjoyed it.
BILLY BEANE:
    Thanks, John!

Did Billy really speak in exclamation points?

by slacker george on Nov 21, 2009 12:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Loved that

I really like that Vernon C. Carter will be getting time in the OF. But they would need a nasty CF/ RF combo in that park, because his range can’t be adequate.

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Which they do... lol

The line-up next season could be decent.

Davis – CF
K. Suzuki – C
J. Cust – DH
VC Carter – LF
B.Wallace – 3B
A. Cardenas – 2B
D. Barton – 1B
R. Sweeney – RF
C. Pennington – SS

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It could be, although I expect Ellis to stay at 2B.

I’m hoping Cardenas makes it as a utility guy later in the season. Brutal SS/3B/LF defense though.

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think Pennington is brutal on defense.

He gets a bad rap for a small sample in the majors. TotalZone loves him in the minors.

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by King Richard on Nov 22, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carter's Range

Have you even seen Chris Carter in person? How the heck can you know how his range is? When people say he’s athletic, they are not saying “he has fatman speed.” They are actually saying that Chris Carter is athletic in his own right. Just because he is incredibly tall and hits a lot of HRs, it doesn’t mean he’s a fat dude. Everyone compares Carter to Ryan Howard, and while he hits plenty of HRs and he has a similar skin tone, Carter certainly is not athletically comparative to Howard.

Based simply on athleticism, Carter would be a good corner outfielder. Now he will definitely have to play in the OF to gain instincts to get the jumps required to have good “range” but that certainly is not out of the question. I don’t think anyone can say that Carter will definitely be a liability in the OF.

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by nobodyinparticular on Nov 21, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

First, your tone is totally unnecessary. I’ve seen both videos and still photos of Carter. He is a giant man. There aren’t too man 6-4, 200+ lbs plus defenders. (You use the word good which i am taking to be above average, thus plus)

If he was going to be a good corner OF, wouldn’t it be a no brainier to have him playing there already? His owner GM says it would be helpful if he “could” stick there. Could. Its still a question. Most prospects who the majority of observers believe will be moved off a position, their respective teams leave them there until they prove they can’t play there.

In 5 seasons, he has played 19 games in RF and just 9 games in LF. In 425 games. How is he going to be a good fielder?

While his speed score is just below average, I’ll believe when I see it.

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Braun isn't bad, and Lee wasn't bad when he was younger. Dunn is terrible of course.

The most obvious example of a good fielding large man is Babe Ruth. If you want someone taller than 6’4" try Dave Winfield.

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Braun is terrible in left. He's more than a win below replacement.

Lee WAS bad when he was younger, but mostly because he played third up until the Sox called him up. He had a decent arm, and never made errors because he’d basically only get to a ball when it was stopped. I know Fangraphs has him at a couple ok years surrounded by a bunch of suck, but I tend to think those would be the outliers. Maybe he was good for a couple years. But generally, he was awful out there.

by thejd44 on Nov 21, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya Braun is worse than I thought he was.

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And for what it's worth

I’ve seen him quite a bit when they play the Cubs. He’s… not good. But a lot of his mistakes are mistakes guys make when they never play the outfield (like charging in on a line drive over his head). It’s possible he’ll improve to just plain mediocre.

by thejd44 on Nov 25, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

This is pointless, but just to humor you, you said “there aren’t too man(y) 6-4 200+ lbs plus defenders.” I’ll get to the pointless part in a second, but let’s play this game.

Matt Holliday is 6-4 235lbs and has a career UZR/150 over 6.
Alex Rios is 6-5 215lbs and has a career UZR/150 over 12.
Nelson Cruz is 6-3 230lbs and has a UZR/150 over 11.
Jayson Werth is 6-5 212lbs and has a UZR/150 18.0
Tim Salmon was 6-3 235lbs and was widely considered a good defender. UZR didn’t come around until he was in the twilight of his career and thus a defensive liability.
Chipper Jones is 6-4 210 and put up a UZR/150 of 0.8 in the only 3 seasons he played LF when UZR was around (those were over the age of 30 as well).
Jermaine Dye is 6-5 245lbs. While he has been a very poor defender recently, he was also widely considered a solid to good defender in RF before he shattered his leg and then had multiple knee surgeries.
Oh yeah, and the A’s have this guy named Ryan Sweeney who has an incredible 30+ UZR in RF and he’s 6-4 221lbs.

Now here is the flaw in having this argument at all—using height/weight numbers to determine someone’s defensive ability is incredibly flawed as height and weight by itself tell us VERY little about a person’s athleticism. If there were 100 6-4 200+ lbs plus defenders that I could trot out here in a list, it still would say nothing about Chris Carter’s ability to play the field or his athleticism in general. People can have the exact same body types and still be on the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of athleticism and footspeed.

The fact that you have not seen Chris Carter play severely damages your credibility in being able to definitively say “his range can’t be adequate” because it is entirely assumptive. This is why the list of “large” plus defenders is pointless and why your post about needing incredible defenders in the Oakland OF is worthless.

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by nobodyinparticular on Nov 21, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A little bit more

Metty’s post smacks of old-time scouting ideas—like shortstops needing to be under 6’ to be effective or 3B couldn’t be big either. Even is no one at a comparable size has ever been a successful defender at a certain position, it does not preclude a specific player from being effective.

Take Scott Rolen for example. How many times did we hear that his defensive ability was even more incredible because of his size? At 6-4 250 lbs, he was still able to get to an amazing number of line drives and grounders.

The fact that someone might have exceptional size has little to due with true defensive ability at any position.

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by nobodyinparticular on Nov 21, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

What are you talking about? I’m not saying Carter can’t be a good defender.

I am saying that there are very few defenders in the OF that are his size and body type. And he has played out there much for the better part of 5 seasons. Carter having positive value as a defender is not likely. Is is possible? Sure. Its very unlikely.

In the end it will depend on his range and the jump he gets on the ball. In the corners over the past three years, every positive defender has a positive range runs above average score (or a RngR Score close to 0 with a extraordinary arm).

Carter could fall into the latter category (but I doubt it). BA says he has a strong arm but doesn’t run well in their books and would probably will end up a DH . KG also said he’d probably be a DH as well. Speed peaks at 24 according to TangoTiger and the book blog, so if he does play their for a year or two, I would expect it to be short lived.

I never said anything about another position.

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that you STARTED YOUR ARGUMENT by citing height and weight as a reason

And then someone came back with something like 7 current (or recently current) players who directly defy the main point of your argument.

Now you’re altering your argument, which I suppose is fine, but you can’t get on somebody else for poking a bunch of holes in what was apparently your primary reason for the opinion.

by thejd44 on Nov 21, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say it was an arguement per say

I didn’t really carefully make those points and wasn’t citing anything. It was more of a generalization about size/body type.

Again, 7 players isn’t refuting anything. Those are the exceptions to the “streotype” (if you will). The sample of of 7 of the huge population of corner OFers is a joke.

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The main point is the one below this

I worked harder on that one lol.

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nvm it was the one you responded to.

lied

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RE

First, how many people have seen him play in less than 30 games in the OF? The sample size is too small to make an accurate judgment regardless.

Second, your talking about the exceptions not the rule. I still stand by the point that their aren’t many good defenders like the have similar bodies to Carter. You sample of 4 isn’t a solid argument. You aren’t doing a study, so don’t pretend you are. None of the players you mention have Carter’s body type except maybe Nelson Cruz. Your sample is ’worthless" and your “list” is a joke.

Take you and I out of this for a second. Again, if he was going to be a good OF, wouldn’t the professionals in the As system have him there already? For what reason would they not have him out there if they had previously thought that he had even the potential to be a good defender.

Obviously they would. Their own GM isn’t even certain he could stick in the OF, let alone be a good defender. Again, your point is ridiculous. The only reason why they are considering him for the OF is to fit is bat into the lineup and he has a better chance that Wallace or others.

The fact is, while you might believe Carter has the athletic ability to be a good corner OF. But clearly the As system never did until there was a log jam.

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carter has been playing all over the field, including 3B before 2009

One reason to play him at 1B in 2009 might be to let him concentrate on hitting for a year. Another might be because Desme, Brown and Sulentic were in the Midland OF and no one was at 1B.

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if people started thinking about him

more along the lines of Jermaine Dye and less along the lines of Ryan Howard, these kind of misconceptions would go away.

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by walk off bunt on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jermaine Dye is worse defensively than Ryan Howard

Howard’s a run-of-the-mill 1B defensively, thus significantly below average for MLB but not in the bottom tier. Dye is one of the very worst defenders in the entire majors.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dye at his peak was a pretty decent defender though

Howard, at no point in his career, could have played corner outfield.

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by walk off bunt on Nov 22, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is right now.

But he was also a “gold glove caliber” RF 10 years ago. Making comps to 2009 Jermaine Dye is probably not accurate for Chris Carter.

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by mikev on Nov 24, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Out of curiosity

How does Carters arm profile? Does anyone have any scouting reports on his arm strength/accuracy? I understand that he’s very athletic, and I’ve seen him compared to Dye (which doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me, because I never saw Dye as particularly “athletic”) but, Dye always had, at least earlier in his a career, a plus arm. I think that’s why people sometimes think of Dye as being a better defender than he actually is, because he would rack assists with his strong arm. Carter? Does he have a cannon like that?

by oakballnack on Nov 22, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dye could get around when he was with Kansas City

He wasn’t plodding around out there until he got injured in that playoff series with the A’s.

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by walk off bunt on Nov 22, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dye

was never what you would call “fast”. Yes, he could run the bases well, and he covered RF well enough, but he never had plus speed.

by oakballnack on Nov 22, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

But I don’t see how that description couldn’t cover Carter either.

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by walk off bunt on Nov 23, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know -

I’ve never seen him run the bases or run in the outfield, have you? From what I’ve heard, he’s got decent speed, especially for his size. However, it was his arm I was most interested in learning about. Dye had a great arm. I know nothing about Carter’s throwing ability.

by oakballnack on Nov 24, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carter's defense

As someone who saw Carter on defense about a half dozen times this season, I can tell you that he’s not very coordinated. He’s a good straight-line runner — maybe some people would call that being athletic — but his hands aren’t soft and his footwork is poor.

When I saw him in Sacramento, he was a below-average defender at first base. I think he’s best-suited for designated hitter.

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by Adam Foster on Nov 23, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carter's coordination

I saw the same things that you saw in Chris Carter. After I saw him, I noted that he looked like a “loppy high schooler who just went through a growth spurt.” Watching him in person, he truly looks like he is still getting used to the length in his limbs. As a 21/22-year old who is 6-5ish, I don’t think it would be too surprising to think that he is still working on getting coordinated. (also keep in mind that Vladimir Guerrero has never looked coordinated when he runs—in the field or the basepaths. In 2002 as a 27-year old Guerrero put up a league average range rating in UZR)

I think the thing to keep in mind is that one does not have to be an incredibly fluid runner or smooth athlete in the outfield to be a solid/good defender. And yet by the same token, if we give Carter time to develop at one position (i.e. RF or LF), he will have the ability to have muscle repetition and space to move to develop that coordination.

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by nobodyinparticular on Nov 24, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

would've...

liked to hear some new info about Cardenas and where Beane sees him this year and in the future. He seems like Placido Polanco without the gold glove caliber-D IMO.

@ Metty

They already have exceptional range out of their CF/RF combo in Davis/Sweeney. Those two can more than make up for Carter’s lack of range in the outfield.

by jclay09 on Nov 21, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah thats what I added - I'm not about Sweeney long term tho

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Odds are pretty high that his true defensive skill is more like half what he showed this year

Outlier UZR numbers need to be regressed heavily to the mean.

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by PaulThomas on Nov 21, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Still, he has a good chance to be a 3 WAR player for a couple of years even if

his hitting doesn’t improve that much.

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by WaddellCanseco on Nov 21, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, yeah, I'm not suggesting kicking him to the curb or something

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by PaulThomas on Nov 22, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and

it’s not as if we’re talking about a 29 year old. Sweeney will be 25 during the 2010 season. I don’t think he’s physically on the downside yet. In fact, there’s still a reasonable chance that he could improve offensively. That said, I do expect we’ll see a moderate regression in his UZR numbers.

by oakballnack on Nov 22, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney

I could see it in a smaller market, your right. But I agree with PT, you have to regress that number greatly. Remember, UZR really need to be evaluated over a longer period of time than a single season according to MGL.

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree. Except he was just as good in 2008.

I understand defense needs to be regressed a lot, but at a certain point when a guy is putting up 3 WAR/150 games at a position for a number of seasons (or in this case, 1 season split over 2 years), that has to start meaning something.

Actually, I’ve been wondering about something with sample sizes: Is there any difference in how we regress if a player plays 150 games in 1 season, or 75 games over 2 seasons (let’s ignore reasons for why the playing time was limited, and things like aging just for sake of argument)? It’s 150 games, but does the larger space of time increase or decrease the amount of regression done?

by thejd44 on Nov 21, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe so

I’m not an expert and wont pretend to be.

But you’ll need to regress each season to the mean (career and league) a significant amount of PAs or Attempts (in the field) especially for the young guys.

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by JDSussman on Nov 21, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See, I would tend to think that 2 or 3 smaller samples might actually be more significant of TT than 1 larger one (assuming equal totals)

Just seems to me that a player is less likely to be a fluke over the course of 3 years, even if they are smaller samples, than they are in 1 full season. Faulty logic? Perhaps.

by thejd44 on Nov 25, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the interview John

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by grover on Nov 21, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the interview, John...

Great reading.

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by Charlie Brown on Nov 21, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A very good,

very candid and frank interview. I appreciate the thought that went into those questions, John. Good work. Please continue along these lines in the future – I’d love to see more Beane and other GM interviews from you.

by oakballnack on Nov 22, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is fantastic

I only drop by here occasionally, but I just wanted to say that I thought this was a fantastic interview. Says a lot about about both the interviewer and interviewee – no wasted questions, and not really any bs answers.

Great interview, John. I just added a bookmark.

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