Washington Nationals Top 20 Prospects for 2010
Top 20 Washington Nationals Prospects for 2010.
All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don't get too worried about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get beyond the Top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize.
Feel free to critique the list, but use logic and reason rather than polemics to do so. The list and grades are based on a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Full reports on all these players can be found in the 2010 Baseball Prospect Book.
1) Stephen Strasburg, RHP, Grade A: He's done enough in Arizona to justify the Grade A rating in my opinion. We have to remember that he's a human being, but he is immensely talented.
2) Derek Norris, C, Grade B+: Somewhere on the Mickey Tettleton/Mike Napoli spectrum: high walks, lots of power, defense should be good enough, might not hit for average.
3) Drew Storen, RHP, Grade B+: Has put aside concerns about being an overdraft. Could help in pen very soon, future closer if all works out.
4) Danny Espinosa, SS, Grade B: Has some pop, steals bases, draws walks, very good glove. Scouts in Arizona love him.
5) Chris Marrero, 1B, Grade B-: I don't think he's going to be a star, but with proper development he can be a solid regular.
6) Jeff Kobernus, 2B, Grade B-: Another guy who should be solid, though I'd like a larger pro sample size before going higher with the grade.
7) Michael Burgess, OF, Grade B-: borderline C+. Power potential, throwing arm, and youth are big positives, will take a walk, but strikes out a lot and batting average is quite low.
8) Justin Maxwell, OF, Grade C+: What you see is what you get: power, walks, speed, low batting average. Can they look past that and appreciate his secondary skills?
9) Ian Desmond, SS, Grade C+: I think he made some legitimate improvements, but not as much as the raw numbers indicate. BABIP probably unsustainable, and he needs to tighten his defense.
10) Bradley Meyers, RHP, Grade C+: One of several strike-throwing types with limited upside but good pitchability.
11) Destin Hood, OF, Grade C+: High power upside, with a high chance of failure. Could rank ninth or tenth.
12) A.J. Morris, RHP, Grade C+: Kansas State ace may move faster in relief.
13) Eury Perez, OF, Grade C+: Need data from higher levels, but could be a Juan Pierre type. I don't mean that as an insult.
14) Aaron Thompson, LHP, Grade C+: Pitchability guy acquired from the Marlins. No longer a top prospect, but still a decent one.
15) Juan Jaime, RHP, Grade C: High-ceiling arm with strong fastball needs to improve secondary pitches. Could rise rapidly if he does so. Perhaps I should go with C+.
16) J.P. Ramirez, OF, Grade C: Production was somewhat disappointing in the New York-Penn League, but not terrible for context. Full-season data in '10 will be illuminating.
17) J.R. Higley, OF, Grade C: High-ceiling tools hound, didn't light up the NY-P but still has potential.
18) Paul Demny, RHP, Grade C: Went 3-11 with 5.14 ERA in the Sally League, but with 110 strikeouts in 105 innings. Could go a long way if he improves command.
19) Marco Estrada, RHP, Grade C: I have no actual evidence to support this, but I keep thinking he could have a surprisingly good season in 2010. Nothing left to prove in Triple-A.
20) Jeff Mandel, RHP, Grade C: Looked very good in Arizona Fall League relief action; he might sneak in some major league innings.
OTHERS: All Grade C: Evan Bronson, LHP; Clint Everts, RHP; Marcos Frias, RHP; Victor Garate, LHP; Luis Garcia, RHP; Trevor Holder, RHP; Hendry Jimenez, 2B; Taylor Jordan, RHP; Nathan Karns, RHP; Pat Lehman, RHP; Steve Lombardozzi, 2B; Jack McGeary, LHP; Tom Milone, LHP; Adrian Nieto, C; Brad Peacock, RHP; Atahualpa Severino, LHP; Josh Smoker, LHP; Greg Veloz, 2B; Dean Weaver, RHP; Josh Wilkie, RHP. Most of these guys could fit into the 16-20 spots, depending on what you want to emphasize.
The Nationals system has an amazing talent in Strasburg, and I'm also very high on Norris, Storen, and Espinosa. After that, it fades quickly. Hitters like Marrero, Burgess, Maxwell, Desmond, Hood, and Perez all have significant unanswered questions. All could be very good players, all could fail. There are several low-ceiling arms who could contribute in the majors soon (Meyers, Thompson, Estrada, Mandel, Wilkie, Garate), and there is also a group of live arms who have problems that need addressing.
The system has material to work with, particularly on the pitching side beyond Strasburg and Storen. They need to add bats with fewer questions, and it will be interesting to see what direction GM Mike Rizzo and his new staff take in the 2010 draft.
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Desmond
I’m really interested to see what Desmond can do this year. The Nats obviously plan to shift Guzman to 2b, but I’ve heard that they may sign a stopgap to play short (i.e. Adam Everett). I’d like to see them go with Desmond at short, but they seem to feel like he could use some more triple-A seasoning. His athleticism is intriguing, so I’m interested to see how much of his 2009 performance level he gives back in 2010.
McGeary
I’m so disappointed that this experiment seems to have failed. I thought their plan to sign McGeary while he attended Stanford was a great idea and maybe something that would lead to other similar deals. I don’t know if lack of competition reduced his effectiveness, or just that he never was going to make it anyway. What do you think, John?
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Will Atwood
Mildly surprised to not see him listed. Granted, they have a huge bunch of guys bunched together after the top 8 or 9 guys. But I thought the reports were fairly solid on him and he had a fairly solid age 22 season in A+ ball.
+1
I watched him pitch twice in the Carolina League. I thought he had good stuff – at least a top 10 pitcher in that league which included Dan Hudson, Brian Matusz, Dan Duffy, etc. But I may have just caught a few good outings – nevertheless his stuff looked good.
Everything comes down
to, imo, how good his curve develops. I know there were positive reports on the curve this year, and if he can be consistent with it, then here’s a guy with a decent fastball and a good curve/change combination.
Interesting list
Storen and Marrero look at least a half-grade too high. They seem to be the sorts of guys that get B/B+ grades because they haven’t done anything poorly enough to get a lower grade, yet they end up (in my opinion) getting too highly graded in terms of their potential actual impact on a major league team. Marrero doesn’t look like a special bat at all, not even sure he looks like a second division starter at 2nd; he puts up okay numbers, but I don’t see anything that suggests there’s untapped potential there. Storen looks like a solid B to me; I would think a B+ closer prospect would be projecting as a shut-down dude. Unless I’m mistaken, Storen looks mostly like a solid closer or setup guy.
49:8 K:BB in 36 IP looks like a potentially shut-down closer to me
Of course one can’t be sure, but I can understand that John is willing to bet on that. Incidentally, Law said that he thinks Storen might be a starter; is that really a possibility?
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by OldProspects on Nov 19, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Totally disagree. Storen has shown his capabilities in the AFL with having the best ERA and the most saves. Definitely higher than a B.
How about
GWRBI in the AFL? :)
Last night I caught part of some 1971 Mets promo film on tv. All the greats were there. Ken Boswell, Wayne Garret , Mike Jorgenson, Ed Kranepool, Bud Harrelson (and Ken Singleton). For all of them, they would give something positive, usually their batting average the prior year, and for most of them, their game winning rbi. I am not sure there was much positive on a lot of these guys batting contributions, so they would show harrelson in the field and say “Buddy was an all-star with a steady glove and was 4th on the team with 6 game winning rbi.” Or, “Tim Foli used his speed to steal 5 bases.” It was cracking me up.
Reminds me of the "fun facts" they used to have on the backs of baseball cards
“In his free time, Todd likes to listen to music.”
I had a George Theodore card
that said “George likes marshmallow milkshakes.” Looked like he needed to drink a few more.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/george_theodore_autograph.jpg
found it
Here it is on ebay, scroll down and there it is, he likes milkshakes. Also looked like he had a darn good year in the cal League, but he was already 23 by then. 6’5" and 190 pounds of The Stork.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280424464325
I can see Storen being a good closer...
but I would never rank a relief pitcher higher than a B unless their team is willing to make them a starter.
not ERA and saves!
i vote these are the only thing that pitchers are judges on from now on!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
thoughts on storen
at draft time i might agree with you, where it was reported by many sources that he was a bit of a reach, because the track record on fast moving college relievers is littered with failures.
but since the reports on his stuff have come out of the AFL, he seems like he shouldn’t have a problem getting MLB hitters out, and everything i’ve read about him suggests he relishes the ability to go in and close out the game…
i think that he should become a good closer and that certainly warrants a B+
storen
I think Storen has a great combination of stuff and command. I have no hesitation with the B+.
by John Sickels on Nov 19, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think Kobernus is too high here. I know you like him as a player but I just don’t think he’s really done or had anything to say that he’s a B- prospect right now. I think you’re probably high on Marrero at a B, too.
I would’ve liked to see guys like Smoker, Nieto and Everts in the top 20. They’re just more interesting, and the RP you’ve ranked aren’t exactly good.
Everts is a minor league free agent
He may not be in the Washington system in 2010
Nieto really had a down year and Smoker’s shoulder surgery short-circuited any progress in 2009
It's such a shame Zimmerman had to get Tommy John
Strasbrug-Storen-Zimmerman would be an intriguing trio of arms to say the least… alas we’ll probably have to wait until 2011.
What ever
happened to Ross Detwiler? Wasn’t he supposed to be the next big thing a couple years back?
Grade C Player to Watch: Nate Karns
He was dominant in the Texas Collegiate League before signing, and he’s got the best upside of any of their picks outside of Strasburg and Storen, including Kobernus.
+1
He was BA’s #1 player from the Texas Collegiate League, as a matter of fact. He is someone to watch…
agreed
Agreed. His review in the book points to strong potential, if he can throw strikes.
by John Sickels on Nov 19, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Burgess
Not impressed by Burgess. I watched a lot of BP of Carolina League teams. I’d get to see how hard the guys worked in practice. Burgess never worked hard. He was always loafing around instead of working on his fielding. He’s overweight and gets bigger each year. He’s a DH in the making, but he’s in a NL organization – he needs to work on his fielding. And, as you’ve mentioned, his hitting has some holes – mainly strike-outs.
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agreed. he came out to AZ for API and I thought he was Prince Fielder’s clone. I stood next to him and he’s probably in the neighborhood of 5’11" and 230 pounds
BUT
is he a vegetarian?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
would venture to guess.....
no….
he strikes me as cheeseburgers/milkshakes Mon-Thurs, Pizza/beer Fri-Sun
Norris
I didn’t realize that contact/hitting for average was considered an issue for Norris. Not claiming to be an expert here, but his BA was over 300 consistently until August when, by all accounts, he hit a wall in his first full season.
for curiosity's sake
what might it take for Strasburg to earn the elusive A+? I’m sure no pro experience is keeping him from it, but would a Gibson-esque full season at AAA do it? (not that he’ll be there that long, if at all)
my apologies if this has been addressed in other threads.
by Dingbat Charlie on Nov 19, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions
Strasburg
will be a bust. Seriously, pretty much every 1st overall pick in every sport is overhyped. If every 1st pick lived up to expectations, we’d have a lot of Babe Ruths, Michael Jordans, and Joe Montanas in sports.
strasburg???
hes an injury machine so far in his brief career.. first neck and now knee?? hes out ofr the AFL championship game…
is this just being really really precautionary or is this guy going to have injurys all the time..
Josh Wilkie
I’ll admit, the reason I’m interested in this is because a couple days ago there was a big two-page story about him in the Washington Post. He’s a semi-local guy – raised in Georgia, went to college at George Washington and still lives year-round in DC, and a borderline 40-man roster type of player. This morning’s paper had a blurb that the Nats added three players to the 40-man, but not Wilkie. They added Jaime, Severino, and Thompson, none of which I have a problem with. They all seem to deserve to be on the roster. But then I looked at exactly who is on the roster, and it made me scratch my head about who they are keeping over Wilkie, and I’m wondering what I don’t know about the process. I specifically looked at four pitchers who are not on John’s list of Top 20 prospects or Others. They are Jesse English, Luis Atilano, Zack Segovia, and Ryan Mattheus. (Using the Baseball Cube as my source) all four seem to have numbers worse than Wilkie’s as well as worse scouting reports. They’re all 24-26 years old (Wilkie is 25). Mattheus seems especially questionable – he’s 26, has performed considerably worse than Wilkie and the scouting reports have Wilkie ahead in all areas. But Mattheus was acquired in the trade for Joe Beimel. Is this the only real reason for protecting Mattheus over Wilkie or am I missing something here?
The wind is in the buffalo.
Mattheus
Mattheus has a better arm, he can throw 94 MPH…..but his performance has never matched the arm strength.
by John Sickels on Nov 20, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Josh Smoker
I thought he would rate a little higher as he is still young and had a decent K:BB ratio. His OBA is a little high but not terrible. Granted he’s a 2007 1st rounder in GCL action, but he still has a lot of potential, right?
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smoker
He was throwing in the low 80s in the GCL.
He got that higher in instructional league, but his stock has dropped.
by John Sickels on Nov 20, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
They took bone spurs out of his rotor cuff before last year. I'm hoping he'll...
..come back from that, but then again shoulder injuries in general are good, eh. This year will be make it or break it for the new fun bunch H.S. arms. McGeary, Smoker and Hicks.
I didn't realize he had surgery.
I guess he’s not worth much anymore unless he has a resurgence… Does he have anything left?
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