BA Eastern League Top 20
by wobatus on Oct 9, 2009 12:51 PM EDT
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| EASTERN LEAGUE TOP 20 PROSPECTS |
| 1. Pedro Alvarez, 3b, Altoona (Pirates) 2. Madison Bumgarner, lhp, Connecticut (Giants) 3. Kyle Drabek, rhp, Reading (Phillies) 4. Carlos Santana, c, Akron (Indians) 5. Jesus Montero, c, Trenton (Yankees) 6. Domonic Brown, of, Reading (Phillies) 7. Junichi Tazawa, rhp, Portland (Red Sox) 8. Wilson Ramos, c, New Britain (Twins) 9. Michael Taylor, of, Reading (Phillies) 10. Brad Lincoln, rhp, Altoona (Pirates) 11. Hector Rondon, rhp, Akron (Indians) 12. Josh Reddick, of, Portland (Red Sox) 13. Ike Davis, 1b, Binghamton (Mets) 14. Marc Rzepczynski, lhp, New Hampshire (Blue Jays) 15. Jose Tabata, of, Altoona (Pirates) 16. Scott Sizemore, 2b, Erie (Tigers) 17. Jake Arrieta, rhp, Bowie (Orioles) 18. Nick Weglarz, of, Akron (Indians) 19. Zach McAllister, rhp, Trenton (Yankees) 20. Brandon Snyder, 1b, Bowie (Orioles) |
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Pretty Good list
I’d love to see who just missed….
21-25 ??? anyone anyone?
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 9, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Avila
Alex Avila has to be in that mix.
by SBcaptain2 on Oct 9, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 10, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruben Tejada, Strieby?
Maybe around there?
by wobatus on Oct 9, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Thole?
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by Schmidtxc on Oct 10, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 catchers in the top 8
good league behind the dish…and i like each of the three as well, though i think only two make the majors at C
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Oct 9, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Twins fan, and I really like Ramos
but I don’t know if he belongs above Michael Taylor or Hector Rondon…
but I’m OK with it
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 9, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I wonder who he’ll be traded to, since he won’t be starting in Minnesota any time soon, assuming a healthy mauer is there for a while.
by wobatus on Oct 9, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
teach ramos 3b
then he and mauer could split between 3b and C ;)
in all seriousness, he could be a very big trading piece soon as i just don’t see how he fits into what they currently have….
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Oct 9, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valencia is future 3B especially if he can keep his defense in tact
P.S. I thought the Twins kinda got screwed tonight at Yankee Stadium
they should have won that
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 9, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe, but
carlos gomez should’ve kept moving to 3rd.
by toonsterwu on Oct 9, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Mauer the Trading piece ?
I think the way to go is Trade Morneau play Mauer at 1st base
and Ramos takes over at catcher
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 9, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope not!
mauer needs to be extended long term….the hometown boy getting away to the highest bidder could be the doom of that new stadium….
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Oct 10, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer
I think its pretty good odds he walks after 2010
by NYSOX on Oct 10, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox fans generally think so
I’m doubtful.
by Fanon on Oct 11, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's 50/50 or better that he does
The man loves his home.
by Fanon on Oct 11, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure
He is from Minny,
it probably depends on how he feels about the twins committment to staying competitive around him, and how big a difference in money he is offered elsewhere.
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by jbluestone on Oct 11, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me a homer
But this list makes me think seriously about canceling my subscription to BA. Arrieta ten spots behind Tazawa! I understand the Red Sox have a deep system, but I think their prospects have been overrated throughout the rankings.
by Birdfan01 on Oct 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just like Reddick being that high. I mean, really.
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by squid92 on Oct 9, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the beef with Tazawa
I agree with the placement to some degree, though. Tazawa is a very good prospect and isnt given enough credit.
Reddick? Reddick is a stud. Reddick is too low, easily.
by alskor on Oct 13, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boston guys
I think Tazawa is just okay . . .solid pitcher but nothing really stands out. Seems like a guy who could have a long career right around league average with a couple of seasons as outliers one way or the other.
Reddick is awesome, though. I think he has a very good chance at turning out like Jeff Francoeur was supposed to.
by mrkupe on Oct 13, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I guess I misphrased.
What I meant is that Reddick is ranked too low, but he’s STILL ranked over guys that are debatedly better than him.
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by squid92 on Oct 16, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Arrieta
I originally thought he should certainly be a top 10 guy, but then I looked at how strong this list is, and I thought, well, maybe not. But since I think he’s better than Tazawa, Lincoln, Rzepczynski, and Tabata, and maybe Sizemore, I think he should be closer to 12-13.
The wind is in the buffalo.
by journeymen on Oct 20, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alvarez over Santana?
Kind of surprised to see Pedro over Carlos given the position value of catcher.
by FI2 on Oct 9, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as opposed to
a firstbaseman. :)
Actually, they seem to think he can stay at third a few years. But what about Drabek over santana.
by wobatus on Oct 9, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drabek over Santana shocked me, quite frankly. I mean, I know scouts love Drabek and have some concerns about Santana as a receiver, but quite frankly, I’d rather have Santana over Drabek in my system.
by PhillyFriar on Oct 9, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…and I just realized I said “quite frankly” twice in a span of two sentences. This is where I reveal myself to be Stephen A. Smith in disguise…
by PhillyFriar on Oct 9, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really...
I think Santana and Drabek are about even. Drabek has front of the roation potential. Pitchers like that are just as hard to find, if not harder to find, than an above average catcher.
by joegonzo on Oct 10, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Drabek is heavily overrated IMO reminds me of a Kyle Lohse type of pitcher
Great talent but could be a headcase.
by Bravesin07 on Oct 10, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is Lohse a head case?
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by jbluestone on Oct 11, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, Kyle Lohse is a headcase
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more top starters than catchers
You have Mauer, McCann, then Wieters and Posey coming on, how many other studs at C? With starters you have Lincecum, Sabathia, Hernandez, Greinke, Verlander, Beckett, Halladay, Carpenter, Lester, Santana, Wainwright…sure, some of them have had only this past year as a “great” year, but there are always far more “front of rotation” types than great catchers. Look at all the up and comers: Brett Anderson, Strasburg, Kershaw, Holland, Feliz, Hanson.
You kind of skewed it by comparing “front of rotation” types to merely “above-average” catchers.
Of course, you need more pitchers, but I think santana is far harder to replace as a prospect than Kyle Drabek.
by wobatus on Oct 11, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drabek reminds me more of...
a Hanson than a Lohse. I would still take him over Santana and the Phillies are my least favorite team in sports.
by joegonzo on Oct 11, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lincoln
I’m surprised to see him rank that high, and, from John Manuel’s chat comments, it seems as if Moskos may be a better prospect (or at least on par) than Alderson.
by jar75 on Oct 9, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…IMO, Neither Alderson or Moskos are much to write home about. i’m not about to bet any kind of long-term success on pitchers who can’t fan more than 11% of the batters they face at AA.
Moskos season was about as good as it was the last two years according to FIP.
by WrenFGun on Oct 9, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moskos
He really didn’t pitch that much better this year, most of his gains being based on better luck. I really can’t see him as a major league starter outside of potential swingman duty . . .but he does have the plus of being a lefty with an okay idea of how to pitch. He’s going to have a major league job one day, even if it’s only as a lefty specialist.
It sounds like Alderson’s stuff just fell of a cliff this year. He’s still a good prospect (any 20 year old who can throw that many strikes against AA batters and do pretty well all things considered is), he just might be better suited as a pen guy. He could be an awfully good one too . . .fastball command and a good breaking ball is a recipe for success.
by mrkupe on Oct 9, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to find something to really criticize
but I can’t. List looks fairly solid. Ramos is probably a bit high for me, but we’re talking a 2-3 spot difference, not the biggest deal. There’s probably some guys I’d put ahead of Snyder at 20, but that’s not bad. I prefer Rondon to Lincoln, but that’s 1 spot.
This may be the best list they’ve put out so far, imo.
by toonsterwu on Oct 9, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's something to criticize:
Bumgarner and Drabek ahead of Santana is nothing shy of blasphemous.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Oct 9, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's see,
Bumgarner: Future #5 starter/middle reliever blowing away hitters with an 88 mph fastball and ZERO secondary stuff
Drabek: Good pitching prospect, but I am not moved by the 7.1 K/9 that he posted in AA.
Now, onto Santana — how many catchers come up through the minors that
a) look to play solid defense and stick at the position in the majors, and
b) look to be a threat to go .300/.400/.500 year-in-and-year-out.
We’re talking about a guy who has a legit chance to become the 2nd best catcher in Major League Baseball behind Joe Mauer.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Oct 9, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dewey Finn
was a consultant on the list. :)
by wobatus on Oct 9, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, he probably was.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Oct 9, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if you realize this or not
But BA and the guys in the Eastern League do not share your assessment of Bumgarner. That is not their projection. If they felt that way, he wouldn’t be where he is.
As for Santana . . .I’m not sure he hits for that much average but his secondary skills look great. Defense is decent but not more than that. If they project Bumgarner and Drabek to be #1-esque starters, then it’s really not hard to see why they might have them ahead of Santana.
Really though, the top 12-13 in this league is pretty awesome in general.
by mrkupe on Oct 9, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Bumgarner #5 starter/ middle reliever
Frederick, Fred Freddy
Bumgarner’s grandmother could be you’re future teams’ #5 starter
who in the hell thinks Bumgarner is going to turn into a #5 starter or middle reliever?
Because He has at Least #3 starter upside
possibly #2 or 1
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 10, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that
his ceiling is a #3/#2 (#2 if he gains back his velo), but with his current stuff, he is projected to be a back-end starter or reliever.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Oct 10, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If he cant hit higher than 91 with average secondary stuff than he will be no better than a back end guy.
by joegonzo on Oct 11, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aberration, homeboi
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 12, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta admit
I had some serious pause when i read that his fastball had dipped down to the mid 80s …. and that scouts don’t see him throwing more then 90 most of the year?
Maybe he was just gassed in his 2nd full season?
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by jbluestone on Oct 12, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tazawa ahead of Taylor is a joke, too
Future middle reliever for the win everybody!!!!!!!1
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Oct 9, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tazawa has legimate...
number 2 potential. I personally would haven’t have ranked Tazawa that high, but a front end starter is very good value compared to an above average corner outfielder.
by joegonzo on Oct 10, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he doesn't.
No chance. Have you ever seen him pitch?
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 10, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I've seen him pitch...
and he has good stuff. He has a decent chance at becoming a number 2 type starter.
by joegonzo on Oct 11, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same scout who said Mejia could be a great one said that Tazawa was the sox #1 prospect in late May
by Bravesin07 on Oct 10, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah,
you told me that on PP, and I was shocked.
Didn’t that same guy question Casey Kelly’s makeup, because of his tats?
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 10, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he did and I learned at the end of this year that Casey Kelly has a bad temper
Got thrown out of one of the first NYPA games he played in 2008 told to me by regulars that come to the games.
by Bravesin07 on Oct 11, 2009 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he missed the innings cutoff.
by PhillyFriar on Oct 9, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think you're right.
If not, that’s a serious, SERIOUS omission.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Oct 10, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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